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Postby Oracle » Thu May 14, 2009 2:46 pm

insan wrote:I'm serious. :)


Seriously deluded ... or just stupid insan?

Still, this is the right thread to pour out all those "visions" ...

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Postby EPSILON » Thu May 14, 2009 2:49 pm

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What? It's not the first time I've read Gul express this (nightmare) 'vision' of a union between Greece, Turkey and Cyprus, but I've not been able to find any detailed references to it. I certainly don't recall any Greek mention of this union. Whose vision is this union, then? Is it Turkey's alone? Is it something that has been discussed with the Greek side? At what level? With whom? Is it something Greece is cooking up with the Turks behind Cyprus' back – again? What does it all entail, and so on and so on?


It's my vision... I put it forward in 2005 and spread it through internet... 8)


Insan, are you trying to turn the Greek speakers into a minority within this UNION? :lol:


:lol: They will be politically equal and protected by primarily Turkey and secondarily all other Turkic states. I'm serious. :)


Pate tjie eseis tji pisti sas moulades na xatheite. I assume this would be the Greek reply in such a vision......
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Postby denizaksulu » Thu May 14, 2009 2:51 pm

EPSILON wrote:
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insan wrote:
What? It's not the first time I've read Gul express this (nightmare) 'vision' of a union between Greece, Turkey and Cyprus, but I've not been able to find any detailed references to it. I certainly don't recall any Greek mention of this union. Whose vision is this union, then? Is it Turkey's alone? Is it something that has been discussed with the Greek side? At what level? With whom? Is it something Greece is cooking up with the Turks behind Cyprus' back – again? What does it all entail, and so on and so on?


It's my vision... I put it forward in 2005 and spread it through internet... 8)


Insan, are you trying to turn the Greek speakers into a minority within this UNION? :lol:


:lol: They will be politically equal and protected by primarily Turkey and secondarily all other Turkic states. I'm serious. :)


Pate tjie eseis tji pisti sas moulades na xatheite. I assume this would be the Greek reply in such a vision......



You'd do well to translate into either English or Gypreaga so all can see. :lol:
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Postby halil » Thu May 14, 2009 2:52 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
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denizaksulu wrote:Please provide the original Turkish script so we can see the accuracy of the translations from Turkish to Greek, then to your version of English.
Coming from a Greek Nationalist website is not something to be taken without questioning.
Btw, I am no supporter of RRDenktash and his policies.

'Lost in translation' comes to mind.


Deniz here is the news from Turkish paper
http://www.kibrispostasi.com/index.php/ ... ame/KIBRIS

below news might be interesting for u . it might give u some idea about your property .


Londra’da yaşam süren bir Kıbrıslı Türk kadının, Güney’deki gayrımenkulleriyle ilgili bilgi alma hakkı tartışmaları sürüyor. Rum İçişleri Bakanı, Baf’ta malı bulunan ve kira talep eden Kıbrıslı Türk kadınla ilgili devreye girdi. Simerini gazetesi, Rum Ombudsmanı’nın 1974’ten önce Londra’ya göç eden ve orada yaşayan ve Baf’ın “Ay. Varvara” (Engindere) köyünde gayrı menkulü bulunan Kıbrıslı Türk kadının davasıyla ilgili raporu üzerine Rum İçişleri Bakanı Neoklis Silikiotis’in derhal devreye girdiğini bildirdi.
Gazete haberi; “Kıbrıslı Türk (Kadın) Mülküyle İlgili Bilgi Alma Hakkına Sahiptir- Silikiotis Devreye Giriyor - İçişleri Bakanı; Baf’ta Malı Bulunan ve Kira Talep Eden Kıbrıslı Türk Kadının Davasıyla İlgili Ombudsman Raporuna Derhal Tepki Gösterdi” başlık ve spotlarıyla aktardı.
Gazeteye göre Rum İçişleri Bakanı Neoklis Silikiotis, Rum İçişleri Bakanlığı bünyesindeki “Kıbrıs Türk Malları Vasiliği Müdürlüğü”ne; haberde adı belirtilmeyen Kıbrıslı Türk kadına; Engindere’deki malıyla ilgili bütün bilgilerin verilmesi direktifi verdi.
Kıbrıslı Türk kadına ait gayrı menkulün mülkiyetinin Rum İçişleri Bakanlığı bünyesindeki “Kıbrıs Türk Malları Vasiliği”ne devredildiğini belirten gazete, “bütün bilgiler” ifadesiyle; söz konusu gayrı menkulün kullanımı ve kira talebiyle ilgili olarak, Kıbrıslı Türk kadının bu gayrı menkulü “kullanamayacak olmasının nedenlerinin” kastedildiğini yazdı.
Gazete, Kıbrıslı Türk kadının, Engindere’deki gayrı menkulünü satma niyetini de beyan ettiğini, bu nedenle malında parselizasyon işlemleri yapılması konusunun inceleneceğini de haberine ekledi.
Rum basınında dün yer alan haberlerde; 1974 öncesinde İngiltere’ye yerleşen Kıbrıslı Türk bir kadının, Güney Kıbrıs’taki taşınmaz malı hakkında bilgi almak için birçok kez çeşitli Rum resmi dairelerine başvurularda bulunması, ancak yeterli yanıtı alamaması sonrasında Rum Ombudsmanı’na şikayette bulunduğu, Ombudsman’ın da Kıbrıslı Türk’ün şikayetini haklı bulduğu belirtilmişti.



Thank you Halil. It seems like a positive step by the Ombudsman towards TC property owners. I am smiling now. Just to show you my appreciation.

I will read the RRD statement later Halil.

Thank you :lol:


Deniz,
ombudsman desicion is only she can get information for her property from land registery office but they refused her claims that she wants rent for her properties which she could not use it before 74 upto now .There is a similarities with your case which u could not use your property since 1963 . I hope this summer u will demand too, like her and see what answer u can get from it .After that ECHR road will open for u as all .

Saturday i will meet one of the GC lawer about my brotherin law case .which they can not use their ones since 1963 what he will tell us .

Our one is little bit different than your one because they were here in 1974. His claims are between 1963-1974 period which ROC failed to protect his life and properties . In north he did not get any GC property . he lives in my sister property .

things are complecated . He insist on for going to court .
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Postby insan » Thu May 14, 2009 2:56 pm

Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:I'm serious. :)


Seriously deluded ... or just stupid insan?

Still, this is the right thread to pour out all those "visions" ...

yialousa1971 wrote:Beware Turks Having Visions


U r very short-sighted Oracle. U r incapable to envisage such unions. U need to study "regionalism" in a globalized world. First of all, u need to get rid of ur Turcho-phobia and prejudice towards Turks in order to digest such a regional union in Eastern Mediterennean...
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Postby The Cypriot » Thu May 14, 2009 3:03 pm

halil wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Thank you Halil. It seems like a positive step by the Ombudsman towards TC property owners. I am smiling now. Just to show you my appreciation.

I will read the RRD statement later Halil.

Thank you :lol:


Deniz,
ombudsman desicion is only she can get information for her property from land registery office but they refused her claims that she wants rent for her properties which she could not use it before 74 upto now .There is a similarities with your case which u could not use your property since 1963 . I hope this summer u will demand too, like her and see what answer u can get from it .After that ECHR road will open for u as all .

Saturday i will meet one of the GC lawer about my brotherin law case .which they can not use their ones since 1963 what he will tell us .


A wonderful moment has arrived in Cyprus's turbulent history if Cypriots from all sides are now exploring legal means to secure their rights and freedoms; as opposed to guns, terror, violence and perceived motherlands.

Welcome to the future.
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Postby denizaksulu » Thu May 14, 2009 3:13 pm

halil wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
halil wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:Please provide the original Turkish script so we can see the accuracy of the translations from Turkish to Greek, then to your version of English.
Coming from a Greek Nationalist website is not something to be taken without questioning.
Btw, I am no supporter of RRDenktash and his policies.

'Lost in translation' comes to mind.


Deniz here is the news from Turkish paper
http://www.kibrispostasi.com/index.php/ ... ame/KIBRIS

below news might be interesting for u . it might give u some idea about your property .


Londra’da yaşam süren bir Kıbrıslı Türk kadının, Güney’deki gayrımenkulleriyle ilgili bilgi alma hakkı tartışmaları sürüyor. Rum İçişleri Bakanı, Baf’ta malı bulunan ve kira talep eden Kıbrıslı Türk kadınla ilgili devreye girdi. Simerini gazetesi, Rum Ombudsmanı’nın 1974’ten önce Londra’ya göç eden ve orada yaşayan ve Baf’ın “Ay. Varvara” (Engindere) köyünde gayrı menkulü bulunan Kıbrıslı Türk kadının davasıyla ilgili raporu üzerine Rum İçişleri Bakanı Neoklis Silikiotis’in derhal devreye girdiğini bildirdi.
Gazete haberi; “Kıbrıslı Türk (Kadın) Mülküyle İlgili Bilgi Alma Hakkına Sahiptir- Silikiotis Devreye Giriyor - İçişleri Bakanı; Baf’ta Malı Bulunan ve Kira Talep Eden Kıbrıslı Türk Kadının Davasıyla İlgili Ombudsman Raporuna Derhal Tepki Gösterdi” başlık ve spotlarıyla aktardı.
Gazeteye göre Rum İçişleri Bakanı Neoklis Silikiotis, Rum İçişleri Bakanlığı bünyesindeki “Kıbrıs Türk Malları Vasiliği Müdürlüğü”ne; haberde adı belirtilmeyen Kıbrıslı Türk kadına; Engindere’deki malıyla ilgili bütün bilgilerin verilmesi direktifi verdi.
Kıbrıslı Türk kadına ait gayrı menkulün mülkiyetinin Rum İçişleri Bakanlığı bünyesindeki “Kıbrıs Türk Malları Vasiliği”ne devredildiğini belirten gazete, “bütün bilgiler” ifadesiyle; söz konusu gayrı menkulün kullanımı ve kira talebiyle ilgili olarak, Kıbrıslı Türk kadının bu gayrı menkulü “kullanamayacak olmasının nedenlerinin” kastedildiğini yazdı.
Gazete, Kıbrıslı Türk kadının, Engindere’deki gayrı menkulünü satma niyetini de beyan ettiğini, bu nedenle malında parselizasyon işlemleri yapılması konusunun inceleneceğini de haberine ekledi.
Rum basınında dün yer alan haberlerde; 1974 öncesinde İngiltere’ye yerleşen Kıbrıslı Türk bir kadının, Güney Kıbrıs’taki taşınmaz malı hakkında bilgi almak için birçok kez çeşitli Rum resmi dairelerine başvurularda bulunması, ancak yeterli yanıtı alamaması sonrasında Rum Ombudsmanı’na şikayette bulunduğu, Ombudsman’ın da Kıbrıslı Türk’ün şikayetini haklı bulduğu belirtilmişti.



Thank you Halil. It seems like a positive step by the Ombudsman towards TC property owners. I am smiling now. Just to show you my appreciation.

I will read the RRD statement later Halil.

Thank you :lol:


Deniz,
ombudsman desicion is only she can get information for her property from land registery office but they refused her claims that she wants rent for her properties which she could not use it before 74 upto now .There is a similarities with your case which u could not use your property since 1963 . I hope this summer u will demand too, like her and see what answer u can get from it .After that ECHR road will open for u as all .

Saturday i will meet one of the GC lawer about my brotherin law case .which they can not use their ones since 1963 what he will tell us .

Our one is little bit different than your one because they were here in 1974. His claims are between 1963-1974 period which ROC failed to protect his life and properties . In north he did not get any GC property . he lives in my sister property .

things are complecated . He insist on for going to court .



Thank you Halil. There is a slight difference. I would not demand rent from the refugees from Yialousa. My delay is that I am waiting for the 'rubber stamp'. Thats all. If I claimed rent, I would have an even longer wait.
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Postby Oracle » Thu May 14, 2009 3:13 pm

insan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:I'm serious. :)


Seriously deluded ... or just stupid insan?

Still, this is the right thread to pour out all those "visions" ...

yialousa1971 wrote:Beware Turks Having Visions


U r very short-sighted Oracle. U r incapable to envisage such unions. U need to study "regionalism" in a globalized world. First of all, u need to get rid of ur Turcho-phobia and prejudice towards Turks in order to digest such a regional union in Eastern Mediterennean...


Yes thank you Stalin for sharing your Megalomaniac visions. Your undemocratic social reconstruction experiments belong to a different era as we have moved on to harmonious co-operation within the EU. Good luck convincing your Turkic neighbours to trust you within their fold .... I take it this Turk-inspired collectivism is a visionary way of doing away with Human Rights altogether, thus negating improving the Turkish state from within ....
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Postby halil » Thu May 14, 2009 3:14 pm

The Cypriot wrote:
halil wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Thank you Halil. It seems like a positive step by the Ombudsman towards TC property owners. I am smiling now. Just to show you my appreciation.

I will read the RRD statement later Halil.

Thank you :lol:


Deniz,
ombudsman desicion is only she can get information for her property from land registery office but they refused her claims that she wants rent for her properties which she could not use it before 74 upto now .There is a similarities with your case which u could not use your property since 1963 . I hope this summer u will demand too, like her and see what answer u can get from it .After that ECHR road will open for u as all .

Saturday i will meet one of the GC lawer about my brotherin law case .which they can not use their ones since 1963 what he will tell us .


A wonderful moment has arrived in Cyprus's turbulent history if Cypriots from all sides are now exploring legal means to secure their rights and freedoms; as opposed to guns, terror, violence and perceived motherlands.

Welcome to the future.


BUt u missed this part :
Our one is little bit different than your one because they were here in 1974. His claims are between 1963-1974 period which ROC failed to protect his life and properties . In north he did not get any GC property . he lives in my sister property .
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Postby EPSILON » Thu May 14, 2009 3:45 pm

halil wrote:
The Cypriot wrote:
halil wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Thank you Halil. It seems like a positive step by the Ombudsman towards TC property owners. I am smiling now. Just to show you my appreciation.

I will read the RRD statement later Halil.

Thank you :lol:


Deniz,
ombudsman desicion is only she can get information for her property from land registery office but they refused her claims that she wants rent for her properties which she could not use it before 74 upto now .There is a similarities with your case which u could not use your property since 1963 . I hope this summer u will demand too, like her and see what answer u can get from it .After that ECHR road will open for u as all .

Saturday i will meet one of the GC lawer about my brotherin law case .which they can not use their ones since 1963 what he will tell us .


A wonderful moment has arrived in Cyprus's turbulent history if Cypriots from all sides are now exploring legal means to secure their rights and freedoms; as opposed to guns, terror, violence and perceived motherlands.

Welcome to the future.


BUt u missed this part :
Our one is little bit different than your one because they were here in 1974. His claims are between 1963-1974 period which ROC failed to protect his life and properties . In north he did not get any GC property . he lives in my sister property .


Then we must check from where your sister got the property!!!1
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