Kikapu wrote:Viewpoint wrote:You concentrate on finding solution and then accuse Turkey of not wanting to leave when they object to the structure we have agreed that does not include their presence. How do you know the GCs are not obstructing a solution?
Any solution based on True Federation and True Democracy seems to be an automatic "no solution" to the "trnc" and Turkey, therefore, it is an easy excuse to keep the troops on the island, unless an agreement is made on another AP type of undemocratic solution, and even then, looking at the last undemocratic AP in 2004, the removal of troops was far from reality, but only a myth. Being in the EU, there can only be a True Democracy and BBF can only mean True Federation, therefore, right there, it is a "no solution" for the "trnc" and Turkey. Most GC's accept the above principles, so how can I accuse them of not wanting a solution. Why do you think the international community over and over again are asking Turkey to play a constructive role in a settlement. Just what do you think they mean exactly, if not the removal of troops so that a settlement can happen.?
Viewpoint wrote:The international community has also commended Turkey for her constructive roll (UN) in trying to find a solution and do not call for her withdrawal today.
Calls for Turkey's troops withdrawals has been ongoing since 1974 and those UN resolutions has not expired.! Just who exactly has been praising Turkey for her role to bring peace to the island, other than some "scripted political niceties" commented by some politician when addressing problems of other countries. Welcome to politics and the BS that goes with it.!
Viewpoint wrote:On the other hand we have a regretful EU that have addmitted to being blackmailed and regret taking in a divided country with so many unsolvable problems, to which the GCs are partially the cause.
I have heard this so many times, it has gone way past of being a joke anymore. The date given for Cyprus to enter the EU was back in 1999 I believe, about the same time Annan Plan was getting started. Cyprus became a EU member in 2004. You tell me, that no one at the EU knew that Cyprus was divided by occupation of foreign troops and took her in anyway. Of course they knew, and because they did not consider Cyprus being divided by ethnic clashes as an internal matter, but rather divided because part of the island was occupied by Turkey as per UN resolutions, in which case, why would the EU deny Cyprus the right to become a member if part of the island was occupied against the wishes of the majority Cypriots. That would have been double punishment for Cyprus, would it not. As a result, the whole island was taken in, which the TC's too have benefited from this also. Sure Greece may have played part in arm twisting with the EU to let Cyprus in, but EU is a BIG boy and they could have said NO and they did not. It is only few irrelevant politicians who are crying foul since then, and not the EU body itself.
But before we blame the EU for taking Cyprus in under the present political situation, why didn't the TC's via Denktash make any protest at the time when Cyprus had been given an entry date. I have also heard this many times by the TC's stating that, the RoC needed the TC's approval to make such a union with the EU. Actually, they did not, since the TC's roll under the 1960 constitution was that they can VETO anything that they did not approve, and clearly, Denktash did not protest. So no, the TC's did not had to give their consent for the union to take place, they just needed to VETO such a union even if we were to look beyond the fact, that the TC's did not want to be part of the RoC government anymore, which they did not and also the TC's did not VETO such a union. Therefore, if there is any blame to be placed on the EU-Cyprus union, you should take that up with Denktash and not with the EU itself.
Viewpoint wrote:Turkeys troops will leave the moment GCs see sense and agree a solution, they are part and parcel of the overall deal just like the property issue.
The GC’s will not agree anything that is not True Democracy and True Federation. Anything like the AP, will be worse than the situation today for them, and Turkey knows this, which allows her to keep her troops in Cyprus with a "no solution".
Viewpoint wrote:The "True Democracy and Human Rights" are not the issue here its how they are administered and how easily they can be manipulated by experts like the GCs to create an atmosphere where we are soon relegated to minority status in a GC state run purely by GCs with no effective TC say in their own future. You may want to expose TCs to this danger but I do not so there demand safeguards and guarantees which will not only keep GCs on the straight and narrow but also the TCs.
I have given you a plan where this will not happen as long as enough GC land is given back so that the TC’s will have majority political control in the north state where 99% of the local laws will effect those who live in that state will be made by the majority TC’s within that state, and political equality in the Upper House for the Federal government. At the same time, True Democracy does not guarantee anyone a political seat and that one needs to be voted in by the people, which you have a problem with this concept for unified Cyprus. Politics is never absolute but a working progress for all the citizens. It is very easy to reject a Fair and Just solution by throwing a lot of obstacles in it’s way as the NeoPartitionist like to do just because they do not want peace or Democratic Cyprus, but this does not mean that, a Fair and Just solutions are bad for the TC’s, GC’s and for Cyprus.
