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Two polite gentlemen in a boat ....

................and? (never leave me in suspense ) its not polite!!!

[Oracle]

You see Oracle, I know who he is, what he has written and know people here in Australia who respect him as a Journalist and as a Military historian.

... So now Paphitis will label our EOKA freedom fighters as "terrorists" also ... because Carter is a respected journalist and historian ... who has decided EOKA were terrorists ...

[The Cypriot]

You see Oracle, I know who he is, what he has written and know people here in Australia who respect him as a Journalist and as a Military historian.

... So now Paphitis will label our EOKA freedom fighters as "terrorists" also ... because Carter is a respected journalist and historian ...

But he's good at juggling though....

[Paphitis]

Oracle wrote:

Top marks to Mr Carter for identifying the "respecter of the uniform" who "does not question his superiors".

Be britainsmallwars' messenger Paphitis, and don't ask questions! Follow orders!

This is completely not true.

I do not respect him because he wore a uniform and I have questioned him on many things.

I deplore most of his opinions. I have always challenged them and will continue to do so. In the end we just agree to disagree like rational people.

I also deplore his website. But at least I tried to make some changes for the better compared to your illogical and irrational approach which achieves absolutely nothing at all.

Oracle wrote:

I know people who respect Hitler, and I know you respect uniforms. So what!

I think you owe me an apology for this. Not that it would make much difference Sister.

Oracle wrote:

That reference (incorrectly quoted) was regarding Carter's unsubstantiated citation about Afxentiou having a copy of a Kazantzakis' book supposedly given to him by a monk whom they wanted to implicate.

And this has nothing to do with David Carter but you still insist on pushing the matter in an effort to discredit him.

David Carter did not manufacture the report of the Kazantzakis Book that was found next to Afxentiou's charred remains. Yes the report is rather peculiar and may have been manufactured by the Brits to implicate others as you say. I don't know enough about the matter.

This was not David Carter's unsubstantiated citation but is rather what he was able to uncover from various MoD reports, which may have been fabricated. It would not surprise me at all if it was deliberately fabricated to implicate a monk.

Oracle wrote:

Yes my dear, I was the one who told YOU that.

At that stage I was researching the guy's identity and came across those photos that had his name to it. As it turns out, they were just photos used on his website. Later I was able to uncover other things which he mostly volunteered anyway.

Oracle wrote:

What are you telling me this claptrap for? He can come and feather his own nest!

To show you that he is an open book and that he denies nothing.

Oracle wrote:

And this is how he has gained your respect? Do you know what those warrants are for? Has he embezzled the "Memorial" funds set up by Denktash? I don't know, and frankly I don't care what one criminal wants with another possible criminal!

I mostly do not respect his views or opinions.

And yes I do know what these warrants are for and unfortunately you are way off the mark.

Oracle wrote:

Is this what he told you? Kindly look at the thread where I asked him as to the source of the funding for his book. I did not make up any stories and I expect an apology from YOU!

Yes once again you jump to hysterical, illogical and irrational conclusions.

He answered your questions but this was not good enough for you was it?

For your information, he did approach the RoC and Clerides was going to allow the memorial to be erected at Wayne's Keep, within the buffer zone. This was the preferred option and still is. When Tassos came to power things changed and Denktash rushed in to capitalise and score political points. They declined the offer for free land as it was deemed inappropriate.

Oracle wrote:

He was only asked to defend what he could ... Instead he left! Fine ... no one invited him to come. He did his recruiting and left.

What exactly do you want him to defend?

He tried explaining things to you in a very reasonable manner but you jump from one conclusion/accusation to the next.

He recruited absolutely no one and he is well aware that I don't think too much of his views.

Oracle wrote:

Your vanity is your main weakness Paphitis, and he has identified that correctly too!

And logic, irrationality and hysteria is your weakness...and he has identified this which is probably why he could not be bothered.

Oracle wrote:

You are not the Paphitis I know.

I have not changed. Still the same Paphitis.

Oracle wrote:

You are so blinded ... you have come a long way since last week when I had to correct you on which photograph was actually him, or Harding.

It's Denktash who supported him!

And since then a lot of information has come to light which you no doubt are not aware of.

He makes no secret of his friendship with Denktash but he still declined offers of land on principle. And yet you still accuse that he was funded by the "trnc" or RoT for his publications and yet they actually want to arrest him because they did not approve of his journalistic activities.

A Memorial to British Soldiers in North Cyprus

By
David Carter

WHEN our memorial project began, many of us hoped we would be able one day to erect a permanent monument in memory of the British Forces who died in Cyprus in the course of fighting the Eoka terrorist movement.
Throughout South Cyprus there are museums and monuments to honor the EOKA members who died. There is none for the British, not even on the territory of the British Sovereign Bases.

This matter was raised with President Rauf Denktas of the Turkish Republic of North Cyprus and the local military authorities. Mr Denktas and the Turkish Army promised their co-operation. They offered a plot of land on which the British monument could be built.

However, there were conditions: we would have to prove former British servicemen and women, British expats in the TRNC and others would contribute to the cost and give their wholehearted support.

The first to contribute (£100) was Colonel John Watts MC, the former CO of the British Military Hospital in Nicosia during the Eoka period.

[color=darkred][b]President Denktas opened a special bank account in Lefkosa/Nicosia for those who wished to follow the colonel's example.

And you got this from his website which just goes to show you that he is an open book...

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/cyprus/cater.htm

Oracle wrote:

Even the Tories shied away from these fascists...

I also disagree with most of his opinions. I think most would.

Oracle wrote:

I asked him about these numbers but he fled, only (barely) admitting they are not endorsed by the MoD

And he told you that the figure of 371 was derived from MoD service records and consists all British services deaths between 55-59. Out of this figure, only 104 were KIA fighting EOKA even though the EOKA Association is trying to claim "credit" for most of these victims...

Oracle wrote:

You are the only one playing games, Paphitis ... and when it comes to the memory of our EOKA fighters, you have proved yourself the weakest link ....

The person playing the games here is YOU because you are the one trying to create something out of nothing in your usual hysterical manner...

Oracle wrote:

Are you sure you're a pilot and not some airhead steward?

I think you owe the forum an explanation as to where you got your degrees from...

Oracle wrote:

... So now Paphitis will label our EOKA freedom fighters as "terrorists" also ... because Carter is a respected journalist and historian ... who has decided EOKA were terrorists ...

I will never label our EOKA freedom fighters as "Terrorists".

I told you before that I disagree with such emotive biased terminology and I actually tried to do something about it.

Carter may be respected but I find myself at odds with most things but I don't behave like a hysterical prat such as you do.

[Oracle]

Paphitis I am not prepared to continue endlessly with this, as you have your opinions and I have mine, and now you want to pass on Carter's too! ... But once again I am faced with your inability to remember connections and correctly assess situations. (I've already had a taste of your accusations when you believed your imagination more than the facts regarding another matter ).

I am not speculating on what he is wanted for as I stated "Frankly I don't care" ... and I don't; but nothing will suddenly turn him into a "gentleman" and a "hero" to me. Kindly stop telling me he is an "open book".

His letter was off some vile middle eastern forum so your assumption is wrong. I posted it because he said some things which didn't add up. The matters I debated with him are on the forum, so kindly stop telling me what I did or did not say and in what tone.

I asked Carter to remove the un-sourced quote which was on his site, about the book "found" with Afxentiou and replace it with the poem GR! discovered ... But he did not reply.

I am not interested in Carter as I told you before, but it is high time he stopped referring to EOKA as terrorists on his site ... instead he wanted to engage me in definitions for "terrorists" ... which I refused to be drawn into.

Paphitis I am just surprised that you caused so much furor (now games ) regarding the importance of removing the labels of EOKA being "terrorists" (even more so than me), demanding forum apologies from the Queen and suggesting worse ... and now you say this man who propagates the myth of EOKA as "Terrorists", is a gentleman?

Go figure ...