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[Viewpoint]

You need to persuade me to dump Turkeys guarantee not the other way around.

VP, do you agree, in principle, to NATO security? IF you receive sufficient assurances that your security will be safeguarded?

What if Turkey guarantee only covered the TC state as TCs will not let go of this life line if things shoudl go wrong.

I, personally, would not be able to agree to Turkey having any intervention rights anywhere in Cyprus. Sorry. That's how I feel. I doubt there are many free Cypriots who will feel differently. Same for Greece. Same for Britain. We just don't want them.

But all three could have intervention rights throughout the whole island – through NATO – until the situation on the island stabilised.

Answer this, otherwise I'm going to stop: promise...

TC, it is obvious that the majority of TC's have concerns re: their safety against the majority GC's. That is why they seek Intervention rights for Turkey. What sort of mechanism would you put in place to placate their fears.

Your fears re: Turkey are understandable, do you see why TC's fear the majority GC's?

What about a completely demelitarised Cyprus with only a multinational force of say 6,000 troops in place. This force will be composed by 1/6 of Turkish Cypriot soldiers, 1/6 Greek Cypriot ones, 1/6 mainland Turkish, 1/6 mainland Greek and 2/6 from other (British /EU /international) soldiers, under the direct mandate of the UNSC which will also appoint the comamender of the entire force?

There will be no qurantor powers, more so with unilateral “intervention rights,” and only the UNSC will althorise this force -under specifiec and pre-agreed terms and circomstances, to act for the overall internal and external security of Cyprus, always upon the request of the federal government or any of its two constituent states towards the UNSC.

Why wouldn't such arrangement meet the security needs of the both the Tukish and Greek Cypriots?

The above arrangements would be fine with me, but what 'mechanism' in goverment/ local gov posts would be put in place to allay the fears of the TCs.

Deniz be careful you are giving Russia a veto over your life.

That would be the least of my worries.

My chief concern, like yours is, that although I strongly believe in the one man one vote system, that the GCs will not abuse their majority votes. How will this obstacle be overcome.


I cant believe the GCs will ever repeat their 1974 mistake again. It has been a tough lesson for all of us. So I dont see Russia needing to VETO anything.

EG the GCs kick the shit out of the TCs and Russia veto the intervention of the 6000 stron army, do you see no risk?

[Kifeas]

You need to persuade me to dump Turkeys guarantee not the other way around.

VP, do you agree, in principle, to NATO security? IF you receive sufficient assurances that your security will be safeguarded?

What if Turkey guarantee only covered the TC state as TCs will not let go of this life line if things shoudl go wrong.

I, personally, would not be able to agree to Turkey having any intervention rights anywhere in Cyprus. Sorry. That's how I feel. I doubt there are many free Cypriots who will feel differently. Same for Greece. Same for Britain. We just don't want them.

But all three could have intervention rights throughout the whole island – through NATO – until the situation on the island stabilised.

Answer this, otherwise I'm going to stop: promise...

TC, it is obvious that the majority of TC's have concerns re: their safety against the majority GC's. That is why they seek Intervention rights for Turkey. What sort of mechanism would you put in place to placate their fears.

Your fears re: Turkey are understandable, do you see why TC's fear the majority GC's?

What about a completely demelitarised Cyprus with only a multinational force of say 6,000 troops in place. This force will be composed by 1/6 of Turkish Cypriot soldiers, 1/6 Greek Cypriot ones, 1/6 mainland Turkish, 1/6 mainland Greek and 2/6 from other (British /EU /international) soldiers, under the direct mandate of the UNSC which will also appoint the comamender of the entire force?

There will be no qurantor powers, more so with unilateral “intervention rights,” and only the UNSC will althorise this force -under specifiec and pre-agreed terms and circomstances, to act for the overall internal and external security of Cyprus, always upon the request of the federal government or any of its two constituent states towards the UNSC.

Why wouldn't such arrangement meet the security needs of the both the Tukish and Greek Cypriots?

Worth considering but with a very one side UNSC it would leave us exposed.

VP, what do you mean one sided security council? The mission, terms and conditions for the engagement (action taking) of the force will be pre-agreed and adopted in a form of UN resolution, under Chapter IIV (7) of the UN Charter. Upon the request of the federal government or any of the two constituent states, and provided this request falls within the pre-agreed parameters, the force will have to act immediately, without further delay. There will be no need to adopt a new resolution, so that some country may block it. The only case in which a new resolution by the UNSC will be needed is when there is a counter request due to a dispute as to whether the initial request was outside the pre-agreed parameters of the force's mission.

For example, in case the TC constituent state requests the intervention of the force in attacking the GC constituent state, for no justifiable reason, then the force will not act at all, either because it will be outside the pre-agreed terms (mandate) of its engagement or because there will be a counter request by the GC constituent state or the federal government. In such a case, there will be a need for a debate and a resolution by the UNSC. If on the other hand, illegally armed TC paramilitaries launch an attack against the GCs, and the GC constituent state or the federal government requests the mobilization of the force, then the force will have to act immediately because it will be within its pre-agreed mandate to do so.

[denizaksulu]

You need to persuade me to dump Turkeys guarantee not the other way around.

VP, do you agree, in principle, to NATO security? IF you receive sufficient assurances that your security will be safeguarded?

What if Turkey guarantee only covered the TC state as TCs will not let go of this life line if things shoudl go wrong.

I, personally, would not be able to agree to Turkey having any intervention rights anywhere in Cyprus. Sorry. That's how I feel. I doubt there are many free Cypriots who will feel differently. Same for Greece. Same for Britain. We just don't want them.

But all three could have intervention rights throughout the whole island – through NATO – until the situation on the island stabilised.

Answer this, otherwise I'm going to stop: promise...

TC, it is obvious that the majority of TC's have concerns re: their safety against the majority GC's. That is why they seek Intervention rights for Turkey. What sort of mechanism would you put in place to placate their fears.

Your fears re: Turkey are understandable, do you see why TC's fear the majority GC's?

What about a completely demelitarised Cyprus with only a multinational force of say 6,000 troops in place. This force will be composed by 1/6 of Turkish Cypriot soldiers, 1/6 Greek Cypriot ones, 1/6 mainland Turkish, 1/6 mainland Greek and 2/6 from other (British /EU /international) soldiers, under the direct mandate of the UNSC which will also appoint the comamender of the entire force?

There will be no qurantor powers, more so with unilateral “intervention rights,” and only the UNSC will althorise this force -under specifiec and pre-agreed terms and circomstances, to act for the overall internal and external security of Cyprus, always upon the request of the federal government or any of its two constituent states towards the UNSC.

Why wouldn't such arrangement meet the security needs of the both the Tukish and Greek Cypriots?

The above arrangements would be fine with me, but what 'mechanism' in goverment/ local gov posts would be put in place to allay the fears of the TCs.

Deniz be careful you are giving Russia a veto over your life.

That would be the least of my worries.

My chief concern, like yours is, that although I strongly believe in the one man one vote system, that the GCs will not abuse their majority votes. How will this obstacle be overcome.


I cant believe the GCs will ever repeat their 1974 mistake again. It has been a tough lesson for all of us. So I dont see Russia needing to VETO anything.

EG the GCs kick the shit out of the TCs and Russia veto the intervention of the 6000 stron army, do you see no risk?

If.........I cant believe the GCs will act so stupidly after what happened in 1974.
Perhaps I am a bit naive and trusting.

[Viewpoint]

Kifeas excuses can be generated to delay action, the wheels of the UN turn very slowly Bosnia being a prime example.

[Kifeas]

You need to persuade me to dump Turkeys guarantee not the other way around.

VP, do you agree, in principle, to NATO security? IF you receive sufficient assurances that your security will be safeguarded?

What if Turkey guarantee only covered the TC state as TCs will not let go of this life line if things shoudl go wrong.

I, personally, would not be able to agree to Turkey having any intervention rights anywhere in Cyprus. Sorry. That's how I feel. I doubt there are many free Cypriots who will feel differently. Same for Greece. Same for Britain. We just don't want them.

But all three could have intervention rights throughout the whole island – through NATO – until the situation on the island stabilised.

Answer this, otherwise I'm going to stop: promise...

TC, it is obvious that the majority of TC's have concerns re: their safety against the majority GC's. That is why they seek Intervention rights for Turkey. What sort of mechanism would you put in place to placate their fears.

Your fears re: Turkey are understandable, do you see why TC's fear the majority GC's?

What about a completely demelitarised Cyprus with only a multinational force of say 6,000 troops in place. This force will be composed by 1/6 of Turkish Cypriot soldiers, 1/6 Greek Cypriot ones, 1/6 mainland Turkish, 1/6 mainland Greek and 2/6 from other (British /EU /international) soldiers, under the direct mandate of the UNSC which will also appoint the comamender of the entire force?

There will be no qurantor powers, more so with unilateral “intervention rights,” and only the UNSC will althorise this force -under specifiec and pre-agreed terms and circomstances, to act for the overall internal and external security of Cyprus, always upon the request of the federal government or any of its two constituent states towards the UNSC.

Why wouldn't such arrangement meet the security needs of the both the Tukish and Greek Cypriots?

Kifeas, there was a similar agreement in place in 1960. It did not stop the GCs from smuggling into Cyprus 20,000 Greek soldiers . How do you stop that in the future?

Very simple question. If GCs have no plans to attack TCs, why do they fear Turkish guarantee to protect TC in case of such an attack?

While you are at it, do you have any information on Iphestos Files?

YFred, I have no appetite discussing your garbage and propaganda ideas and theories, with you or with anybody else! Do me a favor and find somebody of your level and type to do so, and there are plenty of brainwashed GCs here!

[miltiades]

The overwhelming majority of G/Cs feel just as I do, that this island is the homeland of all Cypriots .
I can say that I have just as many T/Cs as friends if not more than G/Cs .
Personally I dont give a toss whether a mate is an Armenian , T/C , G/C or anyone else .
My allegiance is to Cyprus and to Britain , minus the greedy MPs and Traffic Wardens !

[The Cypriot]

Turkey (and specifically her military) will not allow her subordinates in the north to negotiate a solution that doesn't include her intervention rights to safeguard their security. Even if there are alternatives they themselves might (secretly) be willing to accept. It simply is not within their remit to do so.

That is the title of this thread. That is the current impasse to the Cyprus problem.

[Oracle]

It seems immaterial whether we give Turkey a guarantee for intervention, or not. This is just being used as an excuse to avoid a solution, as no guarantee can be given under the auspices of the EU. It's ludicrous to yield to blackmail from 40,000 troops to include their future job security into a solution.

However, long term, we need a solution which will prevent Turkey invading again, guarantee or no guarantee.

Therefore, the only one who has to be completely disarmed for future security of the area is Turkey ...

[The Cypriot]

Therefore, the only one who has to be completely disarmed for future security of the area is Turkey ...

Although she may insist on keeping her airforce....

[paliometoxo]

lol nice pic