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[denizaksulu]

TC, it is obvious that the majority of TC's have concerns re: their safety against the majority GC's. That is why they seek Intervention rights for Turkey. What sort of mechanism would you put in place to placate their fears./quote]

I've suggested NATO but according to your self-appointed spokeswoman, even with assurances that wouldn't be acceptable.

Your fears re: Turkey are understandable, do you see why TC's fear the majority GC's?

Yes, but I genuinely believe that, in an EU conext, those fears are over-played.

NATO is not the right choice. It is not part of their remit to act as overseers.

As to TCs overplaying the 'fear' card, you do accept that there are indeed fears of the GCs swamping TCs 'out'.

[The Cypriot]

NATO security?

Some people might want to lookup what NATO is all about before suggesting it as “Guarantor” for Cyprus… it’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard!

Commie!

[Kifeas]

You need to persuade me to dump Turkeys guarantee not the other way around.

VP, do you agree, in principle, to NATO security? IF you receive sufficient assurances that your security will be safeguarded?

What if Turkey guarantee only covered the TC state as TCs will not let go of this life line if things shoudl go wrong.

I, personally, would not be able to agree to Turkey having any intervention rights anywhere in Cyprus. Sorry. That's how I feel. I doubt there are many free Cypriots who will feel differently. Same for Greece. Same for Britain. We just don't want them.

But all three could have intervention rights throughout the whole island – through NATO – until the situation on the island stabilised.

Answer this, otherwise I'm going to stop: promise...

TC, it is obvious that the majority of TC's have concerns re: their safety against the majority GC's. That is why they seek Intervention rights for Turkey. What sort of mechanism would you put in place to placate their fears.

Your fears re: Turkey are understandable, do you see why TC's fear the majority GC's?

What about a completely demelitarised Cyprus with only a multinational force of say 6,000 troops in place. This force will be composed by 1/6 of Turkish Cypriot soldiers, 1/6 Greek Cypriot ones, 1/6 mainland Turkish, 1/6 mainland Greek and 2/6 from other (British /EU /international) soldiers, under the direct mandate of the UNSC which will also appoint the comamender of the entire force?

There will be no qurantor powers, more so with unilateral “intervention rights,” and only the UNSC will althorise this force -under specifiec and pre-agreed terms and circomstances, to act for the overall internal and external security of Cyprus, always upon the request of the federal government of Cyprus or any of its two constituent states towards the UNSC.

Why wouldn't such arrangement meet the security needs of both Turkish and Greek Cypriots?

[Viewpoint]

You need to persuade me to dump Turkeys guarantee not the other way around.

VP, do you agree, in principle, to NATO security? IF you receive sufficient assurances that your security will be safeguarded?

What if Turkey guarantee only covered the TC state as TCs will not let go of this life line if things shoudl go wrong.

I, personally, would not be able to agree to Turkey having any intervention rights anywhere in Cyprus. Sorry. That's how I feel. I doubt there are many free Cypriots who will feel differently. Same for Greece. Same for Britain. We just don't want them.

But all three could have intervention rights throughout the whole island – through NATO – until the situation on the island stabilised.

Answer this, otherwise I'm going to stop: promise...

TC, it is obvious that the majority of TC's have concerns re: their safety against the majority GC's. That is why they seek Intervention rights for Turkey. What sort of mechanism would you put in place to placate their fears.

Your fears re: Turkey are understandable, do you see why TC's fear the majority GC's?

What about a completely demelitarised Cyprus with only a multinational force of say 6,000 troops in place. This force will be composed by 1/6 of Turkish Cypriot soldiers, 1/6 Greek Cypriot ones, 1/6 mainland Turkish, 1/6 mainland Greek and 2/6 from other (British /EU /international) soldiers, under the direct mandate of the UNSC which will also appoint the comamender of the entire force?

There will be no qurantor powers, more so with unilateral “intervention rights,” and only the UNSC will althorise this force -under specifiec and pre-agreed terms and circomstances, to act for the overall internal and external security of Cyprus, always upon the request of the federal government or any of its two constituent states towards the UNSC.

Why wouldn't such arrangement meet the security needs of the both the Tukish and Greek Cypriots?

Worth considering but with a very one side UNSC it would leave us exposed.

[YFred]

You need to persuade me to dump Turkeys guarantee not the other way around.

VP, do you agree, in principle, to NATO security? IF you receive sufficient assurances that your security will be safeguarded?

What if Turkey guarantee only covered the TC state as TCs will not let go of this life line if things shoudl go wrong.

I, personally, would not be able to agree to Turkey having any intervention rights anywhere in Cyprus. Sorry. That's how I feel. I doubt there are many free Cypriots who will feel differently. Same for Greece. Same for Britain. We just don't want them.

But all three could have intervention rights throughout the whole island – through NATO – until the situation on the island stabilised.

Answer this, otherwise I'm going to stop: promise...

TC, it is obvious that the majority of TC's have concerns re: their safety against the majority GC's. That is why they seek Intervention rights for Turkey. What sort of mechanism would you put in place to placate their fears.

Your fears re: Turkey are understandable, do you see why TC's fear the majority GC's?

What about a completely demelitarised Cyprus with only a multinational force of say 6,000 troops in place. This force will be composed by 1/6 of Turkish Cypriot soldiers, 1/6 Greek Cypriot ones, 1/6 mainland Turkish, 1/6 mainland Greek and 2/6 from other (British /EU /international) soldiers, under the direct mandate of the UNSC which will also appoint the comamender of the entire force?

There will be no qurantor powers, more so with unilateral “intervention rights,” and only the UNSC will althorise this force -under specifiec and pre-agreed terms and circomstances, to act for the overall internal and external security of Cyprus, always upon the request of the federal government or any of its two constituent states towards the UNSC.

Why wouldn't such arrangement meet the security needs of the both the Tukish and Greek Cypriots?

Kifeas, there was a similar agreement in place in 1960. It did not stop the GCs from smuggling into Cyprus 20,000 Greek soldiers . How do you stop that in the future?

Very simple question. If GCs have no plans to attack TCs, why do they fear Turkish guarantee to protect TC in case of such an attack?

While you are at it, do you have any information on Iphestos Files?

[The Cypriot]

TC, it is obvious that the majority of TC's have concerns re: their safety against the majority GC's. That is why they seek Intervention rights for Turkey. What sort of mechanism would you put in place to placate their fears./quote]

I've suggested NATO but according to your self-appointed spokeswoman, even with assurances that wouldn't be acceptable.

Your fears re: Turkey are understandable, do you see why TC's fear the majority GC's?

Yes, but I genuinely believe that, in an EU conext, those fears are over-played.

NATO is not the right choice. It is not part of their remit to act as overseers.

Fair enough... not a huge fan, anyway.

As to TCs overplaying the 'fear' card, you do accept that there are indeed fears of the GCs swamping TCs 'out'.

Yes....

[denizaksulu]

You need to persuade me to dump Turkeys guarantee not the other way around.

VP, do you agree, in principle, to NATO security? IF you receive sufficient assurances that your security will be safeguarded?

What if Turkey guarantee only covered the TC state as TCs will not let go of this life line if things shoudl go wrong.

I, personally, would not be able to agree to Turkey having any intervention rights anywhere in Cyprus. Sorry. That's how I feel. I doubt there are many free Cypriots who will feel differently. Same for Greece. Same for Britain. We just don't want them.

But all three could have intervention rights throughout the whole island – through NATO – until the situation on the island stabilised.

Answer this, otherwise I'm going to stop: promise...

TC, it is obvious that the majority of TC's have concerns re: their safety against the majority GC's. That is why they seek Intervention rights for Turkey. What sort of mechanism would you put in place to placate their fears.

Your fears re: Turkey are understandable, do you see why TC's fear the majority GC's?

What about a completely demelitarised Cyprus with only a multinational force of say 6,000 troops in place. This force will be composed by 1/6 of Turkish Cypriot soldiers, 1/6 Greek Cypriot ones, 1/6 mainland Turkish, 1/6 mainland Greek and 2/6 from other (British /EU /international) soldiers, under the direct mandate of the UNSC which will also appoint the comamender of the entire force?

There will be no qurantor powers, more so with unilateral “intervention rights,” and only the UNSC will althorise this force -under specifiec and pre-agreed terms and circomstances, to act for the overall internal and external security of Cyprus, always upon the request of the federal government or any of its two constituent states towards the UNSC.

Why wouldn't such arrangement meet the security needs of the both the Tukish and Greek Cypriots?

The above arrangements would be fine with me, but what 'mechanism' in goverment/ local gov posts would be put in place to allay the fears of the TCs.

[Viewpoint]

You need to persuade me to dump Turkeys guarantee not the other way around.

VP, do you agree, in principle, to NATO security? IF you receive sufficient assurances that your security will be safeguarded?

What if Turkey guarantee only covered the TC state as TCs will not let go of this life line if things shoudl go wrong.

I, personally, would not be able to agree to Turkey having any intervention rights anywhere in Cyprus. Sorry. That's how I feel. I doubt there are many free Cypriots who will feel differently. Same for Greece. Same for Britain. We just don't want them.

But all three could have intervention rights throughout the whole island – through NATO – until the situation on the island stabilised.

Answer this, otherwise I'm going to stop: promise...

TC, it is obvious that the majority of TC's have concerns re: their safety against the majority GC's. That is why they seek Intervention rights for Turkey. What sort of mechanism would you put in place to placate their fears.

Your fears re: Turkey are understandable, do you see why TC's fear the majority GC's?

What about a completely demelitarised Cyprus with only a multinational force of say 6,000 troops in place. This force will be composed by 1/6 of Turkish Cypriot soldiers, 1/6 Greek Cypriot ones, 1/6 mainland Turkish, 1/6 mainland Greek and 2/6 from other (British /EU /international) soldiers, under the direct mandate of the UNSC which will also appoint the comamender of the entire force?

There will be no qurantor powers, more so with unilateral “intervention rights,” and only the UNSC will althorise this force -under specifiec and pre-agreed terms and circomstances, to act for the overall internal and external security of Cyprus, always upon the request of the federal government or any of its two constituent states towards the UNSC.

Why wouldn't such arrangement meet the security needs of the both the Tukish and Greek Cypriots?

The above arrangements would be fine with me, but what 'mechanism' in goverment/ local gov posts would be put in place to allay the fears of the TCs.

Deniz be careful you are giving Russia a veto over your life.

[denizaksulu]

You need to persuade me to dump Turkeys guarantee not the other way around.

VP, do you agree, in principle, to NATO security? IF you receive sufficient assurances that your security will be safeguarded?

What if Turkey guarantee only covered the TC state as TCs will not let go of this life line if things shoudl go wrong.

I, personally, would not be able to agree to Turkey having any intervention rights anywhere in Cyprus. Sorry. That's how I feel. I doubt there are many free Cypriots who will feel differently. Same for Greece. Same for Britain. We just don't want them.

But all three could have intervention rights throughout the whole island – through NATO – until the situation on the island stabilised.

Answer this, otherwise I'm going to stop: promise...

TC, it is obvious that the majority of TC's have concerns re: their safety against the majority GC's. That is why they seek Intervention rights for Turkey. What sort of mechanism would you put in place to placate their fears.

Your fears re: Turkey are understandable, do you see why TC's fear the majority GC's?

What about a completely demelitarised Cyprus with only a multinational force of say 6,000 troops in place. This force will be composed by 1/6 of Turkish Cypriot soldiers, 1/6 Greek Cypriot ones, 1/6 mainland Turkish, 1/6 mainland Greek and 2/6 from other (British /EU /international) soldiers, under the direct mandate of the UNSC which will also appoint the comamender of the entire force?

There will be no qurantor powers, more so with unilateral “intervention rights,” and only the UNSC will althorise this force -under specifiec and pre-agreed terms and circomstances, to act for the overall internal and external security of Cyprus, always upon the request of the federal government or any of its two constituent states towards the UNSC.

Why wouldn't such arrangement meet the security needs of the both the Tukish and Greek Cypriots?

The above arrangements would be fine with me, but what 'mechanism' in goverment/ local gov posts would be put in place to allay the fears of the TCs.

Deniz be careful you are giving Russia a veto over your life.

That would be the least of my worries.

My chief concern, like yours is, that although I strongly believe in the one man one vote system, that the GCs will not abuse their majority votes. How will this obstacle be overcome.


I cant believe the GCs will ever repeat their 1974 mistake again. It has been a tough lesson for all of us. So I dont see Russia needing to VETO anything.