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A SOLUTION WOULD NOT BE FOUND WITHOUT TURKISH GUARANTEES

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Nikitas » Mon May 11, 2009 1:25 pm

Halil,

The ONLY valid grounds for an intervention was to restore the 1960 constitution, and we both know that this was the LAST thing in Turkey's objectgives in 1974 or since then.

Invoking the violations committed in 1963 and on July 15 1974 is not an excuse. In fact when you say that you prove those that committed the violations to have been correct. They are the ones that said that Turks wanted to swallow Cyprus, and that they were acting as saviors.

We had too many saviors. It is time to be left alone by everyone, and that includes the Turks, the Greeks and above all the British.
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Postby halil » Mon May 11, 2009 1:46 pm

Nikitas wrote:Halil,

The ONLY valid grounds for an intervention was to restore the 1960 constitution, and we both know that this was the LAST thing in Turkey's objectgives in 1974 or since then.

Invoking the violations committed in 1963 and on July 15 1974 is not an excuse. In fact when you say that you prove those that committed the violations to have been correct. They are the ones that said that Turks wanted to swallow Cyprus, and that they were acting as saviors.

We had too many saviors. It is time to be left alone by everyone, and that includes the Turks, the Greeks and above all the British.


Yes they can find solution in 1974 or 1975 as soon as conflict stop. They should restore the 1960 consitution with original one not what makarios and so called ''ROC'' parliment changes has been done in 1967 . or versiones of 13 points .
same thing applies for u Nikitas it is not the only excuse only Turkeys intervane . It is not the only faults of Britain , Greece or Turkey .these are the your excuses all time and we can not move one inch at all . point is how we can share the island that no one can boss . Cyprus has to keep also balance between Turkey and Greece .These are the realities of our life .If balance of the powers moves towards the one side we will havw always problem in this island . Thats why our partnership worked only 3 years .
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Postby vaughanwilliams » Mon May 11, 2009 1:53 pm

If Turkey had wanted to "invade" for perfidious reasons she could have done it at any time up to 1974. The 1960 constitution has not been restored so their continuing presence is justified. Call their bluff - restore it.
You may want to be left alone - the TC's are worried that you won't leave them alone - again.
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Postby EPSILON » Mon May 11, 2009 1:54 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
paliometoxo wrote:what turkish bs garantees? turkey should stay the f out of cyprus affairs.. just like england and greece should

cyprus is a country int he EU it doe snot need stupid garantore powers anymore then america or england or australia or any other country does


What if you GCs play up again?


Be sure for this either with or without Turkey guarantee!!
Meantime pls note that a solution can not eiuther be achieved unless ny personal guarantee is granded!!!1
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Postby insan » Mon May 11, 2009 2:32 pm

Nikitas wrote:Halil,

The ONLY valid grounds for an intervention was to restore the 1960 constitution, and we both know that this was the LAST thing in Turkey's objectgives in 1974 or since then.

Invoking the violations committed in 1963 and on July 15 1974 is not an excuse. In fact when you say that you prove those that committed the violations to have been correct. They are the ones that said that Turks wanted to swallow Cyprus, and that they were acting as saviors.

We had too many saviors. It is time to be left alone by everyone, and that includes the Turks, the Greeks and above all the British.


On what principles would Turkey restore the constitutional order? Minority status for TCs or political equality(effective participation on state affairs)? How would Turkey overpower still active irregulars of EOKA-B and their internal backers? By sheding more blood and hearing Hellenic national front making more dirty propaganda against Turkey? What pre-conditions was EOKA asking from Makarios in order to let him return to his post?

As if Hellenic national front ever accepted TCs as a politically equal state partner and besides Turkey as a friendly guarantor power; Nikitas disingenuously tells us that the only valid ground of intervention was restoring the 60s constitution.
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Postby paliometoxo » Mon May 11, 2009 6:51 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
paliometoxo wrote:what turkish bs garantees? turkey should stay the f out of cyprus affairs.. just like england and greece should

cyprus is a country int he EU it doe snot need stupid garantore powers anymore then america or england or australia or any other country does


What if you GCs play up again?


you made a typo there, what you meant to ask was, what if you tcs play up again and try cause problems in cyprus by planting bombs to make tcs think it was gcs and start voilence and the need for a "peace operation"
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon May 11, 2009 7:43 pm

paliometoxo wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
paliometoxo wrote:what turkish bs garantees? turkey should stay the f out of cyprus affairs.. just like england and greece should

cyprus is a country int he EU it doe snot need stupid garantore powers anymore then america or england or australia or any other country does


What if you GCs play up again?


you made a typo there, what you meant to ask was, what if you tcs play up again and try cause problems in cyprus by planting bombs to make tcs think it was gcs and start voilence and the need for a "peace operation"


No typo...GCs vegence seeking community will need to quench their thirst for revenge, what do we do then?
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Postby The Cypriot » Mon May 11, 2009 7:47 pm

Here's a guarantee the majority of Cypriots can live with...

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Postby Viewpoint » Mon May 11, 2009 7:50 pm

The Cypriot wrote:Here's a guarantee the majority of Cypriots can live with...

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Then what do you suggest we do? taking into account our dark past and the imbalance between our communities.
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Postby The Cypriot » Mon May 11, 2009 7:56 pm

Unfortunately, I'm not at all sure Mr X will buy it, but if I was pushed to offer a solution to this deal-breaking conundrum, I'd say NATO would have to play a security role, if only as an interim measure...
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