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[The Cypriot]

If Turkey will only accept a solution with Turkish guarantees, Greek Cypriots could request equivalent guarantees from GREECE . Is that the solution to the problem or is it stalemate once again.

Or do we just continue as we are for another 400 years or so ...... !!!

why what good will having any of them as a garantore power?

Oh, please don't ask Byron questions, palio mu, he may attempt to answer...

[Viewpoint]

Please re re-read your own post its so one sided that you lose any credibility you have left.

Looks fine to me. You need to invite someone independent to read it to establish its relative merits. You're in no position to judge it, nor my credibility.

You may not trust the Turkish Army but we do not trust GCs full stop,

We need to find another way to guarantee security then.

Turkey was the only country to have those balls you talk of

Yes, balls and chains round your necks.

to step in at the right time. NATO trusts the TA and we do so its times you got off your high horse and got down to earth with us lot,

No free Cypriot; no European, no citizen of the free world would agree to Turkey's army intervening in their country. I'd rather stay with them.

we agree you do not want them to remain as you fear them so they should all leave but to ask us to ditch the one life line we feel safe with is taking itto far and will not be accepted by the majority of TCs.

So you say. But it's a deal-breaker. And no one outside Turkey and its subordinate state would be unsympathetic to why.

Anyway, it's been lovely having a natter, dear, but I've filled my jug with water now and I really must get back home to my chores; I'm sure there'll be some other women along soon that you can have a good old moan at...

Run like a true GC.

[The Cypriot]

Run like a true GC.

If I stay I fear you'll torture me..... and this 'C' doesn't need propping up by a 'G' thank you very much.

[Viewpoint]

Run like a true GC.

If I stay I fear you'll torture me..... and this 'C' doesn't need propping up by a 'G' thank you very much.

Its not how you see yourself thats important to me but how I see you and for me you are GC through and through. As for torture, you are self inflicting it because you refuse to acknowledge or understand that there are certain issues where you to have to compromise and the guarantees are one of them.

[The Cypriot]

Its not how you see yourself thats important to me but how I see you and for me you are GC through and through.

No. You have no right to label me. I am what I say I am. A Cypriot.

And if you recognise the TRNC you cannot, by definition, recognise a Cypriot. It's impossible.

As for torture, you are self inflicting it because you refuse to acknowledge or understand that there are certain issues where you to have to compromise and the guarantees are one of them.

If you weren't living there already I'd tell you to go to hell.

[Kikapu]

TC's are asking guarantees of Turkey .... who cares what relation EU and Turkey has got between themself .
Majority of the Turkish Cypriots feels better and secure with Turkey's guarantees .For Turkish Cypriots wanting to join EU does not mean that their security will be ok .TC's wants guarentees of Turkey over their security that no one can dare to spoil their lifes again .It does not mean that they can have lots of troops in Cyprus .They will have rights to protect us in a such a way that seconed coups will not happen again .

Halil, can you explain something to me.

It seems that the TC's want Turkey's guarantees if Turkey is not in the EU, but TC's do not ask for Turkey's guarantees once Turkey is in the EU. Why does the guarantees of Turkey depends whether Turkey is in the EU or not. Cyprus is in the EU, so why is that not enough for the TC's to feel secure without Turkey's guarantees. In another words, if you don't trust the GC's when Turkey is not a EU member, why would you trust them, if Turkey is a EU member. What does anything change if you do not trust the GC's to begin with.? To me, this seems like a ploy to get Turkey into the EU and has nothing to do with the TC’s security, because I cannot find any other explanation to the TC’s and Turkey’s demands of needing / giving guarantees.!

The other explanation would be of course, that Turkey has ZERO chance of ever being a EU member, therefore, this would allow them to have a intervention / invasion rights in Cyprus indefinitely.!

Halil, can you answer the above post please.!

OK, Halil does not/cannot answer the above question.!!

VP, would you have a go at it...........thanks.!

[halil]

TC's are asking guarantees of Turkey .... who cares what relation EU and Turkey has got between themself .
Majority of the Turkish Cypriots feels better and secure with Turkey's guarantees .For Turkish Cypriots wanting to join EU does not mean that their security will be ok .TC's wants guarentees of Turkey over their security that no one can dare to spoil their lifes again .It does not mean that they can have lots of troops in Cyprus .They will have rights to protect us in a such a way that seconed coups will not happen again .

Halil, can you explain something to me.

It seems that the TC's want Turkey's guarantees if Turkey is not in the EU, but TC's do not ask for Turkey's guarantees once Turkey is in the EU. Why does the guarantees of Turkey depends whether Turkey is in the EU or not. Cyprus is in the EU, so why is that not enough for the TC's to feel secure without Turkey's guarantees. In another words, if you don't trust the GC's when Turkey is not a EU member, why would you trust them, if Turkey is a EU member. What does anything change if you do not trust the GC's to begin with.? To me, this seems like a ploy to get Turkey into the EU and has nothing to do with the TC’s security, because I cannot find any other explanation to the TC’s and Turkey’s demands of needing / giving guarantees.!

The other explanation would be of course, that Turkey has ZERO chance of ever being a EU member, therefore, this would allow them to have a intervention / invasion rights in Cyprus indefinitely.!

Halil, can you answer the above post please.!

OK, Halil does not/cannot answer the above question.!!

VP, would you have a go at it...........thanks.!

There is no such a official claim or asking on the negotiation table .

All time our leadership says:
Bi-Zonal ,Bi-communal,political equality of two founding states, with Turkey’s active and effective guarantees .
And Citizen of the new federal republic will have single citizenship.

[denizaksulu]

TC's are asking guarantees of Turkey .... who cares what relation EU and Turkey has got between themself .
Majority of the Turkish Cypriots feels better and secure with Turkey's guarantees .For Turkish Cypriots wanting to join EU does not mean that their security will be ok .TC's wants guarentees of Turkey over their security that no one can dare to spoil their lifes again .It does not mean that they can have lots of troops in Cyprus .They will have rights to protect us in a such a way that seconed coups will not happen again .

Halil, can you explain something to me.

It seems that the TC's want Turkey's guarantees if Turkey is not in the EU, but TC's do not ask for Turkey's guarantees once Turkey is in the EU. Why does the guarantees of Turkey depends whether Turkey is in the EU or not. Cyprus is in the EU, so why is that not enough for the TC's to feel secure without Turkey's guarantees. In another words, if you don't trust the GC's when Turkey is not a EU member, why would you trust them, if Turkey is a EU member. What does anything change if you do not trust the GC's to begin with.? To me, this seems like a ploy to get Turkey into the EU and has nothing to do with the TC’s security, because I cannot find any other explanation to the TC’s and Turkey’s demands of needing / giving guarantees.!

The other explanation would be of course, that Turkey has ZERO chance of ever being a EU member, therefore, this would allow them to have a intervention / invasion rights in Cyprus indefinitely.!

Halil, can you answer the above post please.!

OK, Halil does not/cannot answer the above question.!!

VP, would you have a go at it...........thanks.!

There is no such a official claim or asking on the negotiation table .

All time our leadership says:
Bi-Zonal ,Bi-communal,political equality of two founding states, with Turkey’s active and effective guarantees .
And Citizen of the new federal republic will have single citizenship.

'Active Guarantee'? So there is a 'passive Guarantee'. Is there a difference?

Where has our independence gone? Will TCs ever be Independent again?

[DT.]

TC's are asking guarantees of Turkey .... who cares what relation EU and Turkey has got between themself .
Majority of the Turkish Cypriots feels better and secure with Turkey's guarantees .For Turkish Cypriots wanting to join EU does not mean that their security will be ok .TC's wants guarentees of Turkey over their security that no one can dare to spoil their lifes again .It does not mean that they can have lots of troops in Cyprus .They will have rights to protect us in a such a way that seconed coups will not happen again .

Halil, can you explain something to me.

It seems that the TC's want Turkey's guarantees if Turkey is not in the EU, but TC's do not ask for Turkey's guarantees once Turkey is in the EU. Why does the guarantees of Turkey depends whether Turkey is in the EU or not. Cyprus is in the EU, so why is that not enough for the TC's to feel secure without Turkey's guarantees. In another words, if you don't trust the GC's when Turkey is not a EU member, why would you trust them, if Turkey is a EU member. What does anything change if you do not trust the GC's to begin with.? To me, this seems like a ploy to get Turkey into the EU and has nothing to do with the TC’s security, because I cannot find any other explanation to the TC’s and Turkey’s demands of needing / giving guarantees.!

The other explanation would be of course, that Turkey has ZERO chance of ever being a EU member, therefore, this would allow them to have a intervention / invasion rights in Cyprus indefinitely.!

Halil, can you answer the above post please.!

OK, Halil does not/cannot answer the above question.!!

VP, would you have a go at it...........thanks.!

There is no such a official claim or asking on the negotiation table .

All time our leadership says:
Bi-Zonal ,Bi-communal,political equality of two founding states, with Turkey’s active and effective guarantees .
And Citizen of the new federal republic will have single citizenship.

'Active Guarantee'? So there is a 'passive Guarantee'. Is there a difference?

Where has our independence gone? Will TCs ever be Independent again?

Its bad enough as a community to request mass harakiri with a perpetual involvement of Turkey in your lives, its another trying to pass on this misery and attempting to share it with us.

[YFred]

DT we said this before, you are not going to be guarantied by Turkey, we are. And if we decide do you really have the authority legally and morally to override our simple and gentle request.