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The struggle of Law and Politics and the ‘Apostolidies Case’
Niyazi Kızılyürek.

http://www.yeniduzengazetesi.com/templa ... &zoneid=17

translation of article:(from Turkish)

I got to know Meletis Apostolides when I began working at the University of Cyprus. A group of friends from Lapta would get together every Friday to talk and wine and dine in a restaurant. I was introduced to the group through a friend and was a regular at the ‘Friday talks’ for a long time. Being a part of the talks in southern Cyprus, when I first moved was extremely educational. The things that struck me most were the love and yearning of these people for their village in Lapta although they left it at a very young age. Sodos, Bambos and Meletis would eventually begin talking about their village, childhood and early teenage years in Lapta every Friday. It was obvious that they missed their village very much. They would talk about the same memories every Friday without missing a single detail or getting bored. I remember feeling this was unusual. I used to think: “These people live in the past” and their stories were not that interesting for me. In the end I was also sent away from a village and I did not constantly think about the village. Meletis’ group was not that way. For them Lapta was ‘Paradise Lost’ and they kept remembering this ‘paradise’ day and night.
I had seen a similar case to this when I met Panikos Chrisanthos long before I met this group with whom we later made the ‘Our Wall’ documentary. Panikos had an amazing yearn for Degirmenlik. He would constantly talk about his village. Those who had no information on the village could mistake it for Paris.
It took me quite a while to comprehend this emotional world. The emotions that Panikos, Meletis and their friends lived were not about the financial value of their property they left behind in North Cyprus. These people have left behind all their ‘life’ in these villages that they have spent until they were a certain age. Their childhood and first teen years were on one side and the rest of their lives were on the other side and the real reason they could not handle the situation was the dividedness. The marks of the dividedness were on their faces. In the frequently visited ‘memory lane’ they were trying to put the scattered pieces together; when they tapped into their memories they would unite with their villages and become ‘whole’ themselves in a way.
I believe that the Turkish Cypriots are missing a point and do not understand: the gathering of the Greek Cypriots in the South and the gathering of Turkish Cypriots in the North are not similar cases and do not have similar content and meaning. When in 1974-75 Turkish Cypriots arrived to the north of Cyprus they did so in enthusiasm and joy. There were a handful of people that looked back and thought of their villages left behind. However all Greek Cypriots’ eyes were left behind.
It is not a coincidence that the situation is the way it is. The events that lead up to July 1974 prevented the Turkish Cypriots from being connected to the pre-1974-order. Another reason being that the Turkish Cypriots did not have a ‘prosperous’ life they could long for before 1974. The case is much different for the Greek Cypriots. 1974 ripped the Greek Cypriots from their ‘prosperous lives’.
The different meaning and content of 1974 was reflected in all aspects of events after 1974. It mainly caused law and politics to come in opposite corners. The Greek Cypriots who stood blind to laws until 1974 were now hugging on to it and the Turkish Cypriots who had been hugging on to laws departed from it and hug on to politics.
The change of positions by sides meant that the Cyprus Problem was to continue on a different level. Today insisting on only legal or only political stand means nothing more than stretching the Cyprus Problem further. The important thing is for the Turkish Cypriots to get within legal and the Greek Cypriots to get within political process (in terms of self assessment) and bring the process to a state in parallel to legal and political order and meet the middle.
Meletis, was victorious in his case against the Orams family but this did not free him of his sorrow nor did it cure his ‘home sickness.’ As long as Greek Cypriots yell out “laws, laws” or Turkish Cypriots yell out “politics, politics” in this country this yearning will not be over. The home Meletis has been yearning for is no longer in the past but in the future and getting there does not lie in just laws or just politics. A combination of both is needed to get there.


original writing from Turkish Cypriot daily paper Yenidüzen.
http://www.yeniduzengazetesi.com/templa ... &zoneid=17

“Apostolidis Davası” ve Hukuk ile Siyaset Dalaşması

Meletis Apostolidis’i Kıbrıs Üniversitesi’nde çalışmaya başladığım günlerde tanıdım. Laptalı bir grup arkadaş her Cuma akşamı bir meyhanede toplanır, sohbet kurarlardı. Bir tanıdık aracılığıyla gruba ben de dahil edildim ve uzunca bir süre meyhanede yapılan “Cuma-Sohbetlerine” düzenli olarak katıldım. Yeni yerleştiğim Güney Kıbrıs’ta bu grubun sohbetlerine ortak olmak benim için son derece öğreticiydi. En çok dikkatimi çeken şey, Lapta’dan genç yaşta ayrılmış bu insanların köylerine karşı besledikleri özlemdi. Sodos, Bambos ve Meletis hemen hemen her Cuma akşamı sözü köyleri Lapta’ya getirir ve çocukluk ve ilkgençlik anılarını anlatırlardı. Köylerine karşı derin bir özlem duydukları her hallerinden belliydi. En küçük ayrıntısına kadar hatırladıkları anılarını bıkmadan usanmadan her Cuma akşamı yeniden hikaye ederlerdi. İlk başlarda bu durumu yadırgadığımı anımsıyorum. O insanların “geçmişte yaşadıklarını” düşünüyor, söylediklerini pek de ilginç bulmuyordum. Nihayetinde benim de kovulduğum bir köyüm vardı ama o köy her zaman aklıma gelmiyordu. Meletislerin grubu öyle değildi. Onlar için Lapta “kaybedilen cennet” gibiydi ve sabah akşam o “cenneti” düşünüyorlardı.

Benzer bir durumu bu gruba rastlamadan önce tanıdığım ve daha sonra “Duvarımız” adlı belgeseli birlikte yaptığımız Panikos Hırisanthos’ta da görmüştüm. Panikos’ta inanılmaz bir “Değirmenlik” hasreti vardı. Durmadan köyünü anlatır, hem de öyle bir anlatırdı ki, bilmeyenler orayı Paris gibi bir yer zannedebilirdi.

Bu duygu dünyasını anlamak epeyce zamanımı aldı. Panikosların, Meletislerin yaşadığı duygular Kuzey Kıbrıs’ta bıraktıkları mülkün maddi değeri ile ilgili değildi. Bu insanlar ömürlerini bir yaşa kadar taşıdıkları o diyarlarda aslında “yaşamlarını” bırakmışlardı. Çocuklukları ve ilkgençlikleri bir yana, daha sonraki hayatları ise başka yana savrulmuştu ve asıl baş edemedikleri de bu parçalanmışlıktı. Hüzünlü yüzlerinde bu parçalanmışlığın izleri vardı. Sık sık yaptıkları “anı yolculuğunda” aslında dağılan parçalarını toplmaya çalışıyorlardı. Anılarına bağlanınca, koparılan kökleriyle bütünleşiyor ve kendileri de “bütün” oluyorlardı sanki.

Kıbrıslı Türklerin anlamakta güçlük çektikleri bir nokta olduğunu düşünüyorum: Kıbrıslı Rumların Kıbrıs’ın güneyinde toplanmaları ile Kıbrıslı Türklerin kuzeyde toplanmaları benzer saiklerle yapılmadığı gibi, benzer içerik ve anlamlar da taşımıyor. Kıbrıslı Türkler 1974-75’te Kıbrıs’ın kuzeyine akın ettiklerinde, bunu büyük bir coşku ve heyecan içinde yapmışlardı. Dönüp arkasına bakan parmak sayısı kadar azdı. Oysa Kıbrıslı Rumların tümünün gözü arkada kalmıştı.

Durumun böyle olması tesadüf değildir elbette. Temmuz 1974’e kadar yaşanılanlar Kıbrıslı Türklerin 1974-Öncesi-Düzene bağlanmalarını engellemişti. Açıkçası, Kıbrıslı Türklerin 1974 öncesinde arayacakları bir “asr-ı saadet” yoktu. Kıbrıslı Rumlar için durum daha farklıdır. 1974, Kıbrıslı Rumları “asr-ı saadetlerinden” kopardı.

1974’ün farklı anlamlar taşıyıp, farklı içeriklere tekabül etmesi, 1974 sonrasının bütün boyutlarına yansıdı. En çok da Hukuk ile Siyasetin karşı karşıya gelmesine yol açtı. Kıbrıslı Rumlar 1974’e kadar görmezlikten geldikleri Hukuka şimdi dört elle sarılırken, Kıbrıslı Türkler de o tarihe kadar bağlı oldukları Hukuku terk edip Siyasete sarıldılar.

Tarafların pozisyon değiştirmeleri Kıbrıs sorununun başka bir düzeyde devamı demekti. Bugün de salt Hukuk veya salt Siyasette ısrar etmek, Kıbrıs sorununu uzatmaktan başka hiç bir anlama gelmiyor. Önemli olan, Kıbrıslı Türklerin Hukuk içine, Kıbrıslı Rumların da Siyaset (yakın geçmişle özeleştirel bir hesaplaşma anlamında) içine girmeleri ve bu sürecin sonunda Hukuk ile Siyasetin uyumlu hale geleceği yeni bir düzende buluşmalarıdır.

Meletis, Orams ailesine karşı açtığı davayı kazandı ama ne hüznü azaldı ne de “sıla özlemi” giderildi. İsminin etrafında “Hukuk, Hukuk” diye bağıran Kıbrıslı Rumlarla, “Siyaset, Siyaset” diye bağıran Kıbrıslı Türkler bu ülkede baskın oldukça da, bu özlem giderilemeyecektir. Çünkü, Meletis’in özlemini çektiği yurt artık geçmişte değil, gelecektedir ve oraya varmak, ne sadece Hukuk, ne de sadece Siyasetle mümkündür. Bunun için ikisinin sentezi ve ötesi lazımdır...

[Oracle]

What transparent propaganda and coercion ...

Really halil? ... the GC refugees just want their "‘prosperous lives" back?

Forget their thousands of years of heritage, they actually yearn for, and prostitute their attempts to regain their homes to, mere "prosperous lives" ...

Disgusting abominable Turks!

[halil]

What transparent propaganda and coercion ...

Really halil? ... the GC refugees just want their "‘prosperous lives" back?

Forget their thousands of years of heritage, they actually yearn for, and prostitute their attempts to regain their homes to, mere "prosperous lives" ...

Disgusting abominable Turks!

here is the mail of the writer . do yor complains to him and share his reply with us . no one can satisy u .

[email protected]

[Oracle]

What transparent propaganda and coercion ...

Really halil? ... the GC refugees just want their "‘prosperous lives" back?

Forget their thousands of years of heritage, they actually yearn for, and prostitute their attempts to regain their homes to, mere "prosperous lives" ...

Disgusting abominable Turks!

here is the mail of the writer . do yor complains to him and share his reply with us . no one can satisy u .

[email protected]

I will be satisfied when all you Turks and baggage are removed from the north and the GC refugees are able to return to their homes, for whatever reasons, mostly Human Rights justifiable ones ... and I am able to move freely within 100% of my country, without fear of demonic Turks and their bullets ...

[anna-sh]

What transparent propaganda and coercion ...

Really halil? ... the GC refugees just want their "‘prosperous lives" back?

Forget their thousands of years of heritage, they actually yearn for, and prostitute their attempts to regain their homes to, mere "prosperous lives" ...

Disgusting abominable Turks!

here is the mail of the writer . do yor complains to him and share his reply with us . no one can satisy u .

[email protected]

I will be satisfied when all you Turks and baggage are removed from the north and the GC refugees are able to return to their homes, for whatever reasons, mostly Human Rights justifiable ones ... and I am able to move freely within 100% of my country, without fear of demonic Turks and their bullets ...

[halil]

What transparent propaganda and coercion ...

Really halil? ... the GC refugees just want their "‘prosperous lives" back?

Forget their thousands of years of heritage, they actually yearn for, and prostitute their attempts to regain their homes to, mere "prosperous lives" ...

Disgusting abominable Turks!

here is the mail of the writer . do yor complains to him and share his reply with us . no one can satisy u .

[email protected]

I will be satisfied when all you Turks and baggage are removed from the north and the GC refugees are able to return to their homes, for whatever reasons, mostly Human Rights justifiable ones ... and I am able to move freely within 100% of my country, without fear of demonic Turks and their bullets ...

don't u know since 1963 from both side of the Cypriots (TC and GC's) could not freely move in whole part of the island .It shows how u know nothing about Cyprus and Cyprus problem .Most of u see only one side of the glass all the time .Tell me how both sides of communities in cyprus tey were moving freely from their sides to other sides . Ones try to tell us the truth .

[Oracle]

What transparent propaganda and coercion ...

Really halil? ... the GC refugees just want their "‘prosperous lives" back?

Forget their thousands of years of heritage, they actually yearn for, and prostitute their attempts to regain their homes to, mere "prosperous lives" ...

Disgusting abominable Turks!

here is the mail of the writer . do yor complains to him and share his reply with us . no one can satisy u .

[email protected]

I will be satisfied when all you Turks and baggage are removed from the north and the GC refugees are able to return to their homes, for whatever reasons, mostly Human Rights justifiable ones ... and I am able to move freely within 100% of my country, without fear of demonic Turks and their bullets ...

don't u know since 1963 from both side of the Cypriots (TC and GC's) could not freely move in whole part of the island .It shows how u know nothing about Cyprus and Cyprus problem .Most of u see only one side of the glass all the time .Tell me how both sides of communities in cyprus tey were moving freely from their sides to other sides . Ones try to tell us the truth .

I don't see "sides" and I don't see "communities" ... now piss off with both your divisive strategies as I want my ONE Cyprus back!

[YFred]

What transparent propaganda and coercion ...

Really halil? ... the GC refugees just want their "‘prosperous lives" back?

Forget their thousands of years of heritage, they actually yearn for, and prostitute their attempts to regain their homes to, mere "prosperous lives" ...

Disgusting abominable Turks!

here is the mail of the writer . do yor complains to him and share his reply with us . no one can satisy u .

[email protected]

I will be satisfied when all you Turks and baggage are removed from the north and the GC refugees are able to return to their homes, for whatever reasons, mostly Human Rights justifiable ones ... and I am able to move freely within 100% of my country, without fear of demonic Turks and their bullets ...

don't u know since 1963 from both side of the Cypriots (TC and GC's) could not freely move in whole part of the island .It shows how u know nothing about Cyprus and Cyprus problem .Most of u see only one side of the glass all the time .Tell me how both sides of communities in cyprus tey were moving freely from their sides to other sides . Ones try to tell us the truth .

I don't see "sides" and I don't see "communities" ... now piss off with both your divisive strategies as I want my ONE Cyprus back!

Ladies first madam!

[halil]

What transparent propaganda and coercion ...

Really halil? ... the GC refugees just want their "‘prosperous lives" back?

Forget their thousands of years of heritage, they actually yearn for, and prostitute their attempts to regain their homes to, mere "prosperous lives" ...

Disgusting abominable Turks!

here is the mail of the writer . do yor complains to him and share his reply with us . no one can satisy u .

[email protected]

I will be satisfied when all you Turks and baggage are removed from the north and the GC refugees are able to return to their homes, for whatever reasons, mostly Human Rights justifiable ones ... and I am able to move freely within 100% of my country, without fear of demonic Turks and their bullets ...

don't u know since 1963 from both side of the Cypriots (TC and GC's) could not freely move in whole part of the island .It shows how u know nothing about Cyprus and Cyprus problem .Most of u see only one side of the glass all the time .Tell me how both sides of communities in cyprus tey were moving freely from their sides to other sides . Ones try to tell us the truth .

I don't see "sides" and I don't see "communities" ... now piss off with both your divisive strategies as I want my ONE Cyprus back!

Goodmorning madam !!!!!

where were u in 1963 and where were u .... in the morning of 15 july 1974 ????? have a look other side of the glass only for a one time .... to see the real world !!!!! Can u see the tents in the Hamidmandrez fields ....
No....no.....
have a look again lady O.......

Goodmorning for remembering one Cyprus .... but in what way ?

[Oracle]

One Cyprus ... without divisive Turks!