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[Kifeas]

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[Kifeas]

I am a Scot with a property in Paphos and another (pre 74 title) near Kyrenia. I love Cyprus and the Cypriot people, irrespective of their ethnic background; however my feeling, and the feeling of those I know is this:
Throughout history there have been wars and invasions. Empires have risen and fallen and land has changed hands. Cyprus is no different. It is awful, people can be barbaric, but 1974 was 35 years ago. The vitriol has to be dropped and people have to move on. My own kin were cleared from the highlands to Canada and Australia by the English to make way for sheep, but its history now. Lets move on.

“Highlander(grey)wolf,” I would like to inform you that we Greek Cypriots are a particularly stubborn, resilient and rigid species, akin to the famous Cypriot donkey, and we do not understand the kind of defeatist and submissive language you speak about in your last paragraph. Because we are the stubborn donkey we are, that is why we have managed to survive in all four corners of this island for so many millenniums, despite our small numerical size and the fact that we passed under so many foreign invaders and rulers and for so many centuries.

Now, if your people, presumably because they have not had any particular cultural heritage and historical consciousness to defend (akin the Australian aborigines and the primitive American-Indian tribes,) have accepted their "fait" and "moved on," without "vitriol" and resistance; it does not mean that we are the same, or that we should act and behave in the same “good boy” politeness you have shown towards your English masters. We neither have nor accept masters, nor do we have your “good” and “gentle” manners, for we are peasants that do not take “advices!”

Before I tell you to “stuff” your “advice” regarding the 35 years that passed, it is good to remind you that we have been for 300 years under the Ottoman rule, 400 years under the Persian, 300 years under the Arabs and the Saracens, etc, etc, but we have never bowed or shied away, we have stayed in this country and survived; whereas all those foreign occupiers have long gone from here, just like Turkey will have to do one day. We have seen this "film" before and thirty five years is nothing, in the face of 200, 300 and 400 years!

[suetoniuspaulinus]

I am a Scot with a property in Paphos and another (pre 74 title) near Kyrenia. I love Cyprus and the Cypriot people, irrespective of their ethnic background; however my feeling, and the feeling of those I know is this:
Throughout history there have been wars and invasions. Empires have risen and fallen and land has changed hands. Cyprus is no different. It is awful, people can be barbaric, but 1974 was 35 years ago. The vitriol has to be dropped and people have to move on. My own kin were cleared from the highlands to Canada and Australia by the English to make way for sheep, but its history now. Lets move on.

“Highlander(grey)wolf,” I would like to inform you that we Greek Cypriots are a particularly stubborn, resilient and rigid species, akin to the famous Cypriot donkey, and we do not understand the kind of defeatist and submissive language you speak about in your last paragraph. Because we are the stubborn donkey we are, that is why we have managed to survive in all four corners of this island for so many millenniums, despite our small numerical size and the fact that we passed under so many foreign invaders and rulers and for so many centuries.

Now, if your people, presumably because they have not had any particular cultural heritage and historical consciousness to defend (akin the Australian aborigines and the primitive American-Indian tribes,) have accepted their "fait" and "moved on," without "vitriol" and resistance; it does not mean that we are the same, or that we should act and behave in the same “good boy” politeness you have shown towards your English masters. We neither have nor accept masters, nor do we have your “good” and “gentle” manners, for we are peasants that do not take “advices!”

Before I tell you to “stuff” your “advice” regarding the 35 years that passed, it is good to remind you that we have been for 300 years under the Ottoman rule, 400 years under the Persian, 300 years under the Arabs and the Saracens, etc, etc, but we have never bowed or shied away, we have stayed in this country and survived; whereas all those foreign occupiers have long gone from here, just like Turkey will have to do one day. We have seen this "film" before and thirty five years is nothing, in the face of 200, 300 and 400 years!

Its true. Kifeas is a donkey!! I can personally attest to his mulish stuborness. His tenacity, persistance and moral indignation were legendary on this forum some years ago. After a a personal absence of some years I am delighted to find him still here, proving his worth as the supreme defender of Hellenism on this forum. All hail Kifeas

[suetoniuspaulinus]

Well of course they did, but I don't mean only my neighbours but ALL who have a highly selective memory and fail miserably to remember certain unpleasant truths.

Salutations suet!

You are very welcome to remind "ALL" of these "unpleasant truths". Are they from experience, or hearsay from the north?

You may begin .... "Friends, Romans, Countrymen ....."

... I am all ears!

Salutations Oracle

Friends, Cypriots, Countrymen

Lend me your ears

I come not to praise Caesar

But to bury him

............ under a mound of rubble or, preferably, down a dry well.With his kin, male , female and children.

My neighbour did this to your neighbour . Cypriot Greek to Cypriot Turk and Cypriot Turk to Cypriot Greek.

But too few say it was me."I did it"

More needs to be repaired than the Orams house

[Tim Drayton]

A sentence from the UBP government's new programme:

Gayri menkul sektörünün AB haricinde yeni dış pazarlara erişiminin sağlanması için çalışmalar başlatılacaktır.

TRANSLATION - Work will be initiated to ensure that the immovable property sector accesses new foreign markets apart from the European Union.

The Orams verdict could turn out to be a Phyrrhic victory if all that happens is that non-EU nationals step in to buy Greek Cypriot property.

Viewpoint had better start learning Hebrew, Russian and Arabic if he wants to remain in business!

[-mikkie2-]

"The Orams verdict could turn out to be a Phyrrhic victory if all that happens is that non-EU nationals step in to buy Greek Cypriot property."

Not entirely true!

If non-EU nationals have interests in other EU countries, and in most cases they do, then these people can also be taken to EU courts for restitution.

The property issue basically needs to be resolved. Unfortunately, no political solution can undermine the rights of the property owners. The property owner will have to have the last word on what happens to their land and property. The TC's and Turkey must understand this basic fact otherwise there will be no solution.

Even if a political decision is made that some people will not get their property back, the individuals could still take the new state of Cyprus to EU courts for restitution. Anyone who believes otherwise will be deluding themselves. The new state of Cyprus cannot discriminate against its own citizens as to where they can live or own property. You can still have a bizonal, and bicommunal federation without impinging on the rights of each citizen. Communal rights cannot go above individual rights otherwise that is discrimination and that will simply lay open any future Cyprus solution to challenge in the courts. The MAJOR fault in the way TC;s view a solution is that two politically autonomous zones equate to OWNERSHIP of land by the respective communities. This simply is not the case and cannot be the case.

If the Annan plan was accepted, today you would be seeing thousands of people resorting to EU courts and setting precedences and destroying that plan from within.

[RichardB]

allow a free return to our home and villages and you can join an isolation free Cyprus


and on a note the British are scum

Steady on young man

[Kikapu]

A sentence from the UBP government's new programme:

Gayri menkul sektörünün AB haricinde yeni dış pazarlara erişiminin sağlanması için çalışmalar başlatılacaktır.

TRANSLATION - Work will be initiated to ensure that the immovable property sector accesses new foreign markets apart from the European Union.

The Orams verdict could turn out to be a Phyrrhic victory if all that happens is that non-EU nationals step in to buy Greek Cypriot property.

Viewpoint had better start learning Hebrew, Russian and Arabic if he wants to remain in business!

TRANSLATION - Work will be initiated to ensure that the immovable property sector accesses new foreign markets apart from the European Union.

Does one need anymore proof that the north is a "Corrupted Society" in that, even their own so called "government" is advocating "Sins of Haram", illegalities to circumvent International laws and violating basic Human Rights by being accessory to in dealing with stolen property. How much more Morally Corrupted can a so called "government" get before people of the north reject such criminal activities. It is these kinds of actions that some on the forum from the TC community accept and approve, all awhile complaining about being denied seats in the EU Parliament. Can you honestly say that any one representing the north's so called "government" has any place in the Halls of the EU when they will not even respect basic EU principles for a unified Cyprus while looking for ways to attract others to replace the EU citizens in buying stolen GC properties.

If people like Halil and VP and few others had any principles and integrity, they should condemn what their so called "government" is proposing without reservation of their above statement. It is very obvious, that those at the top line their pockets with
Haram Money collected from foreigners by selling them stolen GC properties, therefore, one should not expect any peace solutions to come from such people when such greed and immorality is staggering. So to average TC's I say this to you. You will not have peace in Cyprus as long as you have Morally Corrupted Politicians that you have voted for, not unless you yourselves are no different than the morally corrupted politicians, and clearly, some of you on this forum are not!

Then again, your vote does not mean anything any longer, because you have allowed the settlers to out vote you, therefore you have made yourselves worthless in electing anyone with Moral Authority even if you had the good intentions to elect such a person. The TC's sure have gone through a lot of trouble, pain and suffering in order to become worthless in any political voting in the north today to have any say so in their future, so to live in an Honest Society. The “corrupted society” of the north have become the modern day “Robin Hood Outlaws”, only this time, they do not steal from the rich to give to the poor, but they now steal from the poor to enrich themselves.!

[suetoniuspaulinus]

Principles and Integrity!!!!! Where? Not on this Island surely.

Please be so kind and identify more clearly the Honest Society and the Corrupt Society.

[Kikapu]

Principles and Integrity!!!!! Where? Not on this Island surely.

Please be so kind and identify more clearly the Honest Society and the Corrupt Society.

They are all self explanatory, therefore there is no need for me to "spoon feed" you with them.!