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[bill cobbett]

I was talking to a group of fairly ordinary elderly Turkish Cypriots in a coffee shop while visiting the north last week. Several of them were refugees from Paphos. It was not long before the conversation turned to the Orams case. The opinion of these people was that while under the prevailing circumstances it was right to house TC refugees, who were victims of war, in vacated GC properties as a temporary expedient, it was a huge mistake to convert what was initially conceived of as a usufructuory right into phony title with the issuing of title deeds that had no validity under international law. As far as these ordinary TCs were concerned, foreign buyers who rushed in to exploit this situation to acquire cheap bogus title to other people's property have only themselves to blame for the consequences. They had no sympathy whatsoever for their plight. I sensed that they had much more respect for me as a foreigner who has bought property legally in the government controlled part of the island than for the carpetbaggers who are living among them.

I was pleased to read this report from our Tim.

I don't think anyone could have a problem with people taking refuge in the other comms' houses. Heaven knows I'm sure all of us will have friends and relatives who did and still do.

[suetoniuspaulinus]

Hellenic, Cypriot..................would not a rose by another name smell as sweet?

Agreed .... but it was your out of context confusion comparing Hellenic and Roman fora which led to the diversion. Perhaps your disposition for circles again

Octavian was right,.............. couldn't possibly have been Greek or she wouldn't have had so much trouble with her asp.

Aaahh! I said Octavian would have you believe she wasn't Greek! ... He knew very well himself she was Greek ... but how else could he convince his countrymen to go to war with those they admired/envied the most?

Why would I want to confuse Hellenic and Roman fora if not for you to "straighten" me out?

I thought Octavian was dead? "Would have had you believe.........." etc

But you are presently alive and his arguments are still amongst us!

I may well be alive, but you know what lying bastards these Cypriots are

[miltiades]

Hellenic, Cypriot..................would not a rose by another name smell as sweet?

Agreed .... but it was your out of context confusion comparing Hellenic and Roman fora which led to the diversion. Perhaps your disposition for circles again

Octavian was right,.............. couldn't possibly have been Greek or she wouldn't have had so much trouble with her asp.

Aaahh! I said Octavian would have you believe she wasn't Greek! ... He knew very well himself she was Greek ... but how else could he convince his countrymen to go to war with those they admired/envied the most?

Why would I want to confuse Hellenic and Roman fora if not for you to "straighten" me out?

I thought Octavian was dead? "Would have had you believe.........." etc

But you are presently alive and his arguments are still amongst us!

I may well be alive, but you know what lying bastards these Cypriots are

Surely not as bad as the British MPs !!

[miltiades]

They might feel a bit scared now but come Christmas, no problems. Life time gifting, transfers of assets, and other such LEGAL mechanisms will ensure their wealth remains intact. .

All such transactions are still deemed in your estate for seven years ... therefore, seizable!

Whatever you do now, it's too late ....

Of course ... the default setting, should you have bought stolen goods and don't return them (sounds like you're feeling "guilty") ... is Prison!

No. I don't feel guilty at all. What I feel is sorry for those whose lives have been disrupted by the CyProb, ever since 1191. Seven years is not long to wait. How long did Orams take? While I can understand your jubilation, in the long run it will not actually solve anything.

It will most certainly stop unprincipled back of the lorry bargain hunters who dont give a monkeys who the REAL owner of the property they are buying on the cheap is . It will most certainly stop all but the most stupid .
You have bought property in a part of Cyprus that the ENTIRE world considers to be under the occupation of Turkey , an occupied part of Cyprus that as hard as Turkey tries will never be recognised as a valid state.
What made you and others like you disregard morality in buying property that belonged not to the seller but to the displaced owner. I dont think you or anyone else gave a shit quite honestly , but you will soon .

[Viewpoint]

They might feel a bit scared now but come Christmas, no problems. Life time gifting, transfers of assets, and other such LEGAL mechanisms will ensure their wealth remains intact. .

All such transactions are still deemed in your estate for seven years ... therefore, seizable!

Whatever you do now, it's too late ....

Of course ... the default setting, should you have bought stolen goods and don't return them (sounds like you're feeling "guilty") ... is Prison!

No. I don't feel guilty at all. What I feel is sorry for those whose lives have been disrupted by the CyProb, ever since 1191. Seven years is not long to wait. How long did Orams take? While I can understand your jubilation, in the long run it will not actually solve anything.

It will most certainly stop unprincipled back of the lorry bargain hunters who dont give a monkeys who the REAL owner of the property they are buying on the cheap is . It will most certainly stop all but the most stupid .
You have bought property in a part of Cyprus that the ENTIRE world considers to be under the occupation of Turkey , an occupied part of Cyprus that as hard as Turkey tries will never be recognised as a valid state.
What made you and others like you disregard morality in buying property that belonged not to the seller but to the displaced owner. I dont think you or anyone else gave a shit quite honestly , but you will soon .

Your insistence on our isolation and lack of a solution due to your demands caused the sale of property to Brits as an economy can only develop in ways open to it.

[RichardB]

They might feel a bit scared now but come Christmas, no problems. Life time gifting, transfers of assets, and other such LEGAL mechanisms will ensure their wealth remains intact. .

All such transactions are still deemed in your estate for seven years ... therefore, seizable!

Whatever you do now, it's too late ....

Of course ... the default setting, should you have bought stolen goods and don't return them (sounds like you're feeling "guilty") ... is Prison!

No. I don't feel guilty at all. What I feel is sorry for those whose lives have been disrupted by the CyProb, ever since 1191. Seven years is not long to wait. How long did Orams take? While I can understand your jubilation, in the long run it will not actually solve anything.

It will most certainly stop unprincipled back of the lorry bargain hunters who dont give a monkeys who the REAL owner of the property they are buying on the cheap is . It will most certainly stop all but the most stupid .
You have bought property in a part of Cyprus that the ENTIRE world considers to be under the occupation of Turkey , an occupied part of Cyprus that as hard as Turkey tries will never be recognised as a valid state.
What made you and others like you disregard morality in buying property that belonged not to the seller but to the displaced owner. I dont think you or anyone else gave a shit quite honestly , but you will soon .

Top notch miltiades

At least we can go to bed without worrying when the writ is coming

ps belated happy birthday

[miltiades]

They might feel a bit scared now but come Christmas, no problems. Life time gifting, transfers of assets, and other such LEGAL mechanisms will ensure their wealth remains intact. .

All such transactions are still deemed in your estate for seven years ... therefore, seizable!

Whatever you do now, it's too late ....

Of course ... the default setting, should you have bought stolen goods and don't return them (sounds like you're feeling "guilty") ... is Prison!

No. I don't feel guilty at all. What I feel is sorry for those whose lives have been disrupted by the CyProb, ever since 1191. Seven years is not long to wait. How long did Orams take? While I can understand your jubilation, in the long run it will not actually solve anything.

It will most certainly stop unprincipled back of the lorry bargain hunters who dont give a monkeys who the REAL owner of the property they are buying on the cheap is . It will most certainly stop all but the most stupid .
You have bought property in a part of Cyprus that the ENTIRE world considers to be under the occupation of Turkey , an occupied part of Cyprus that as hard as Turkey tries will never be recognised as a valid state.
What made you and others like you disregard morality in buying property that belonged not to the seller but to the displaced owner. I dont think you or anyone else gave a shit quite honestly , but you will soon .

Your insistence on our isolation and lack of a solution due to your demands caused the sale of property to Brits as an economy can only develop in ways open to it.

VP , you dont know how mad I sometimes get that this isolation is affecting many many decent T/Cs , especially children and the less well off. I wish I could wave a magic wand and put things right.
It is grossly unfair for a section of our compatriots to be in isolation and to suffer the economic difficulties that this isolation brings. You must also agree that it is also unfair for a large section of the G/Cs to be denied their ancestral homes , to be asked to produce a passport in order that they may visit their places of birth where they grew up , went to school buried their loved ones , got married and had their children born.
We need a solution VP , one that respects the rights and concerns of ALL Cypriots , but more so one that predominantly satisfies the needs and aspirations of all Cypriots to the exclusion of foreign nations.

[Oracle]

They might feel a bit scared now but come Christmas, no problems. Life time gifting, transfers of assets, and other such LEGAL mechanisms will ensure their wealth remains intact. .

All such transactions are still deemed in your estate for seven years ... therefore, seizable!

Whatever you do now, it's too late ....

Of course ... the default setting, should you have bought stolen goods and don't return them (sounds like you're feeling "guilty") ... is Prison!

No. I don't feel guilty at all. What I feel is sorry for those whose lives have been disrupted by the CyProb, ever since 1191. Seven years is not long to wait. How long did Orams take? While I can understand your jubilation, in the long run it will not actually solve anything.

It will most certainly stop unprincipled back of the lorry bargain hunters who dont give a monkeys who the REAL owner of the property they are buying on the cheap is . It will most certainly stop all but the most stupid .
You have bought property in a part of Cyprus that the ENTIRE world considers to be under the occupation of Turkey , an occupied part of Cyprus that as hard as Turkey tries will never be recognised as a valid state.
What made you and others like you disregard morality in buying property that belonged not to the seller but to the displaced owner. I dont think you or anyone else gave a shit quite honestly , but you will soon .

Your insistence on our isolation and lack of a solution due to your demands caused the sale of property to Brits as an economy can only develop in ways open to it.

Thus proving you are incapable of honest enterprise?

[Viewpoint]

They might feel a bit scared now but come Christmas, no problems. Life time gifting, transfers of assets, and other such LEGAL mechanisms will ensure their wealth remains intact. .

All such transactions are still deemed in your estate for seven years ... therefore, seizable!

Whatever you do now, it's too late ....

Of course ... the default setting, should you have bought stolen goods and don't return them (sounds like you're feeling "guilty") ... is Prison!

No. I don't feel guilty at all. What I feel is sorry for those whose lives have been disrupted by the CyProb, ever since 1191. Seven years is not long to wait. How long did Orams take? While I can understand your jubilation, in the long run it will not actually solve anything.

It will most certainly stop unprincipled back of the lorry bargain hunters who dont give a monkeys who the REAL owner of the property they are buying on the cheap is . It will most certainly stop all but the most stupid .
You have bought property in a part of Cyprus that the ENTIRE world considers to be under the occupation of Turkey , an occupied part of Cyprus that as hard as Turkey tries will never be recognised as a valid state.
What made you and others like you disregard morality in buying property that belonged not to the seller but to the displaced owner. I dont think you or anyone else gave a shit quite honestly , but you will soon .

Your insistence on our isolation and lack of a solution due to your demands caused the sale of property to Brits as an economy can only develop in ways open to it.

VP , you dont know how mad I sometimes get that this isolation is affecting many many decent T/Cs , especially children and the less well off. I wish I could wave a magic wand and put things right.
It is grossly unfair for a section of our compatriots to be in isolation and to suffer the economic difficulties that this isolation brings. You must also agree that it is also unfair for a large section of the G/Cs to be denied their ancestral homes , to be asked to produce a passport in order that they may visit their places of birth where they grew up , went to school buried their loved ones , got married and had their children born.
We need a solution VP , one that respects the rights and concerns of ALL Cypriots , but more so one that predominantly satisfies the needs and aspirations of all Cypriots to the exclusion of foreign nations.

You are goodwilled to the point of naivity.

[Oracle]

Hellenic, Cypriot..................would not a rose by another name smell as sweet?

Agreed .... but it was your out of context confusion comparing Hellenic and Roman fora which led to the diversion. Perhaps your disposition for circles again

Octavian was right,.............. couldn't possibly have been Greek or she wouldn't have had so much trouble with her asp.

Aaahh! I said Octavian would have you believe she wasn't Greek! ... He knew very well himself she was Greek ... but how else could he convince his countrymen to go to war with those they admired/envied the most?

Why would I want to confuse Hellenic and Roman fora if not for you to "straighten" me out?

I thought Octavian was dead? "Would have had you believe.........." etc

But you are presently alive and his arguments are still amongst us!

I may well be alive, but you know what lying bastards these Cypriots are

That's no way to speak about those "Cypriots" who are your neighbours, up there in Kyrenia, is it? ... After all they had the 'good grace' to sell you a very cheap property ...

Oh .. but maybe they lied about whether you could keep it!