Read the quoted text from Henry Kissinger's address on Hellenism (in Bold)
Subject: Κύπρος - Assaulting the Hellenic Civilisation
Συμβούλιον Ελληνικής Προαγωγής HELLENIC ADVANCEMENT COUNCIL [1][1] (since the sixties)
30th April 2004
Excellencies, Presidents_
- Taso Papadopoule, - Constantine Stephanopoule, - George W Bush, - Secretary General Kofi Anan, - Lords, - Honourables - Tony Blair, - Costa Karamanli, - John Howard,
- Giorgo Iakovou, - Petro Molyviote, - G Ferheugen, - Secretary of State Colin Powell,
- Alvaro De Soto, - Alexander Downer, - Weston, - Senators, Congressmen, - Representatives, - Officials, of - - Governments and Parliaments of Hellas, Cyprus, USA, Britain, - Delegates, Officials, of the Security Council, the UNO, the European Commission, and the EU, Ladies and Gentlemen
ASSAULTING THE HELLENIC CIVILISATION:
Profoundly, Henry Kissinger went so far as to deliver an extremely anti-Hellenic speech, full of bitter hate, in Washington during his awarding by the local business people; in September 1994. Let us study it -
"The Greek people is hard to govern and this we must hit deep in their civilising foundations. Then, maybe, it shall concede. That is I mean, to knock the language, the religion, the spiritual and historical legacies, to neutralise all their possibilities to develop, to be distinguished, to prevail, so as not to disturb us in the Balkans, not to disturb in the Eastern Mediterranean, in the Middle East, throughout all this crucial region of great strategic significance for us, for USA's policies" (Nemesis periodical: issue 35, 20.2.1997)
That means, not much not little, this indescribable Kissinger demands the disappearance of our Hellas and whatever reminds Hellas! And with the "Anan Scheme" for a Cyprus solution, which legalises Denktash's colonists, and leaves a window wide open for yet many more, intending to alter the demographic composition and the Hellenic-Orthodox character of our Megalonesos. Does not what that complex Kissinger demands is to be fulfilled by the Anan plan?
In effect the "plan" even directed an assault on the Cypriots' Hellenic civilisation with its provisions to prohibit their Hellenic education, their history, their observances, the Hellenic flag and the Hellenic "Freedom Hymn", the remembrance of their ethno-martyrs (i.e.no history of the heroic EOKA struggle, no Gregory Afxentiou, no Caraolis, no Hellenic expression, no Hellenic festivals, nothing Hellenic, and therefore no Olympics or other games), etc. etc. The rejection of such uncanny
demands is what has shocked and enraged Turkey's "unholy alliance". This brings to memory the English prohibition of the Scottish culture on penalty of instant shooting, which lasted some two centuries. Apparently even now they have not learnt anything about civilisations. Is not that what the British Colonial Office were aiming at, when some fifty years ago, they demanded to get the control of Cyprus' public education. This encountered stiff resistance from the people and their President Archbishop Makarios. Now again, the West has not learnt their lessons from the past In the words of Mogens N.J. Camre, Member of The European Parliament (Danish People's Party) theirs is "the typical way of trying to interfere in affairs, which the diplomats do not understand - they believe that they can freely change the nationality and ethnic links of people if it suits their false picture of the world". And, have some Greek leaders (politicians, government, and opposition) parted from their Hellenic senses? Unbelievably they espouse this vicious Helleno-cidal "plan", and even after its fatal rejection they still speak of reviving it for another referendum. This anti-Hellenic Anan plan must forever be buried and
forgotten in the rubbish tip
PROTEST
This Council and its community fellow-organisations submit their protest [for absolutely not the "OHI!" "No!" of the Cypriot people in Saturday's (24th April 2004) to the infamous Anan Plan, but for how much, behind the scenes, both Greece's and Cyprus' sides gave away; it is said they gave away metaphorically "land and air". While Turkish diplomacy was more efficient, these sides proved very docile and naive with their always highly principled approach, and made sizeable concessions to the opposite negotiating sides, which resulted in this deplorable situation
Thus in this case, they are suspected that they have given away too much ground, almost selling away national interests for pleasing one or another quarter and patrons. In their timidity they have failed to make demands whereas Turkey has made aggressive indeed demands (11 points that no one, in the right mind, would accept for their country and people) which the UNO Secretary-General unquestionably incorporated in his infamous "plan", then pressured the Cypriots to accept all the unacceptable. Hellenes do not succumb to pressures and this has decisively galvanised them against his apartheid "plan". The world is reminded that this Cyprus "OHI!" is tantamount to the Hellas' "OHI!" of the 28th October 1940 against the superior Axis powers, which gave our WW2 Allies their first relief with victories in the Albanian battlefront and subsequently gave them much strategic time to prepare their defences and armaments for the final victory. The UNO Secretary-General is now blamed for duplicity and so are all his accomplices and patrons. It is a protest at, as it is reported, that both Greece and Cyprus have undertaken not to vet the negotiations for Turkey's accession to the European Union. This is a grave mistake, because surrendering this mighty right, Cyprus is left defencless in the mercy of its adversaries. Still the Turkish side and their accomplices cannot count on such goodwill undertakings, as Cyprus and Greece can still reverse them, in the worst case of failing to gain a Cyprus fair and viable solution. Neither can Turks and their accomplices talk about partition, international recognition, and whatever else, as none of these do lead to a fairer and viable solution and more so it leaves them out of EU accession. This may adversely affect also the accession of further candidate countries. Such are the likely effects of Turkish recalcitrance. In very definite terms this is a protest against the Hellenes for having so outrageously stated their goodwill intentions to not use their vetting rights in the EU. Doing this when vital national concerns are still at stake is utterly ludicrous
As well this is a particular protest against the over three decades of apathy and duplicity on the part of USA, UK, and servile international bodies over the Cyprus tragedy, and now in sudden comparison their duplicitous agonising over the rightly democratic decision of Cypriots to command their own affairs. Where have they been all this time? What right have they for interfering in Cypriot's affairs now since they have not intervened for them for some three decades? In fact USA (Henry Kissinger and Sisco) created this tragedy by sending the Turks to capture Northern Cyprus; and consequently theirs is the obligation to undo that duplicity by every means. More so, this is a protest against the UNO Secretary-General's duplicity in including the latest Turkish 11 points demands in his "plan" well knowing that those terms were not negotiated, meaning an "apartheid regime" over the Cypriots, and the
Turkish hegemony and expansionism in Eastern Mediterranean.
All are now expressing outrage and criticism about the referenda results. They put the blame on the Greek side. No our deadly friends, for unjustly aiding and abetting the offending aggressor over the victim, the blame lies squarely on the UNO Secretary-General, on Alvaro De Soto, Lord Hanay, on Colin Powell, Weston, and on all the insensitive prima donnas of the international scene. Again, in the words of Mogens N.J. Camre, Member of The European Parliament (Danish People's Party) theirs is "the typical way of trying to interfere in affairs, which the diplomats do not understand - they believe that they can freely change the nationality and ethnic links of people if it suits their false picture of the world". Now it is doubtful if the UNO Secretary-General has any sensitivity on matters of "apartheid regime" and for supporting and revisiting the all too evident Turkish neo-imperialist expansionism and its "unholy alliance".
The blundering West cannot draw comfort from that Cypriot Turks in the occupied North have voted yes. Theirs is tantamount to the "OHI" of the free Cyprus. Both aim at getting rid of the Raouf Denktash tyranny, his pseudo-presidency and pseudo-government; both aim at shedding off the Turkish oppression. Rescuing Turkey's occupation in Cyprus is what the Secretary General and his accomplices have set about to secure to perpetuity. Political equality? What is it when refugee citizens are forbidden to return to their homelands, and the few, who would be allowed to return, would be deprived of their voting rights and human privileges? Such and more are the unacceptable blunders of the Anan apartheid plan
Let us visualise a picture of the future. For replenishing the likely losses of population in the Turkish occupied North, they demanded that colonists be brought in from Turkey. Population losses shall certainly occur in the North as Turks leave for better opportunities in the South, yet still most of them, after acquiring Cypriot passports, flock to Germany, Sweden, and generally the EU. The process of bringing colonists from Turkey shall be gathering greater momentum. Northern Cyprus shall thus continue to be the transit point for all kinds of human traffickers with illegal immigrants, destined to flock to European countries. Germany already has some seven millions of Turks and, how about getting another ten millions? Will other EU countries each get some 10 million Turks and other immigrants via Northern Cyprus? Other illegal immigrants shall be Africans, Asians, South East Asians, etc, etc, all provided with Cypriot EU passports. The Seingen treaty shall thus be circumvent by Turkish traffickers of illegal colonists. In fact, their principal need to access the EU is to flock there by their mass myriads
The Cypriot "OHI" was felt like the Krakatoe erruption all over the world
Solution and reunification was not what Cypriots rejected on 24th April 2004, neither did they turn their backs on their Turkish
fellow-citizens. Most categorically, rejected was a monstrous hodgepodge of ethno-cidal impediments, the types of which no human society would tolerate. Even the Security Council would not give, under section 7 of its charter, guarantees of security for the "plan". The instigators of that "plan" themselves would never allow such a monstrosity to be imposed on their own country and people. Divine providence and good national leadership spared all Cypriots from apartheid as was inflicted on South Africans for many decades
For instance would USA or UK or any other country accept to abolish itself within 24 hours of a referendum? Then what madness would relegate Cyprus (recognised member of the Commonwealth, the EU, and the UNO, with equal rights) to a non-entity and thus demand that it should abolish itself within 24 hours, in addition to subject its people (Greeks, Turks, and
others alike) to an apartheid regime, and under Turkish hegemony (native Cypriot Turks of the North still suffer under Turkey's boot)?
Indeed, BBC attributed the result to, as it described it, the "powerful speech by President Papadopoulos". Thanks and congratulations to the President. It should be emphasised again that 18% Turks are not the only constituents that matter. In case our deadly friends forget, 78% are Greek constituents. As well there are Armenians, Franco-levantines, Europeans, and other constituents in the Island country. About demographical assessments a general census every 5 years, shall establish the ethnic, faiths, and languages composition. Now, having reached this stage, there must be no delay and Cyprus must wrest the initiative, to also help out its Turkish along with all its other citizens, and to take the Turks of the entire Cyprus under its legal, national, and EU wings (relevant proposals in near future)
After all their charades, the "cowboy" mindset of USA is sharply demonstrated in the following extract of the New York Times: "A Destructive Vote in Cyprus - Tuesday, April 27, 2004; Page A24:
..... The only way to restore any chance for reunification now is for the E.U. and the United States to get tough, by lifting economic sanctions on the Turkish north and sharply limiting aid to the Greek south" Get tough? Why? The Cyprus tragedy is USA's doing who is responsible to correct it by every means, and in so speaking the West is shamelessly ungrateful to a long-standing faithful friend, in favour of a convicted offending aggressor. Reunification will come when Turkey does realize that it cannot but to come to terms with it neighbours, so as to enter the EU Who does one think live in, as the editor has arbitrated, the "Turkish north"? Most of The native Cypriot Turks have voted away with their feet, i.e. they quit the place in order to get away of Turkey's yoke. The majority of those remaining are colonists, most of whom were convict criminals who were let out of Turkish prisons on condition to occupy that north, and soldiers who are trying to be incorporated into the colonist population. These are the Turkish sweethearts of the West Colonists/settlers - The Geneva Convention of 1949, section III, article 49, prohibits colonization by an occupying power. Section III of the Geneva Convention deals with Occupied Territories. Article 49 states in its last paragraph: "The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies."
Today there are reported estimates of over 100,000 illegal Turkish colonists in Cyprus To that NYT's editorial, Mr Gene Rossides, President of the American Hellenic Institute, and former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury, replied on April 27, 2004, as follows - " The editorial (4-27-04) on the UN plan for Cyprus misses the mark. The Greek Cypriot vote of 75.9% against the plan was a vote for the rule of law, which that plan violated on a number of key points.
" The UN plan wiped out Turkey's brutal aggression in 1974, which violated the UN Charter. The European Commission on Human Rights found Turkey guilty of the "killing of innocent civilians . . . on a substantial scale . . . the rape of women of all ages from 12 to 71," and "creating more than 170,000 Greek Cypriot refugees."
" The UN plan allows most of the 100,000 illegal Turkish colonists to remain in violation of the Geneva Convention which prohibits colonization by the occupying power. It allows a number of Turkish troops to remain with the right of intervention. It penalizes the Greek Cypriot property owners and perpetuates ethnic divisions. The double standard on the rule of law for Turkey is harmful to U.S. interests.
" The Greek Cypriot vote was not "destructive" as asserted. It was a vote for the rule of law and a functional and viable solution. It was a vote against rewarding the Turkish aggressor and punishing the Greek Cypriot victims. That vote made Cyprus the conscience of the West on the rule of law."
As for the blundering West, before shedding crocodile tears and blaming the Russian veto in the Security Council, Giorgo Iakovou, and whatever else in their frustration for failing to inflict their machinations, they should first have their soul-searching and, - now at last Mr G Ferheugen rightly begins blaming Turkey for having blocked the solution, with her accomplices' blessings, persistently for some three decades, constantly insisting that the matter was resolved with their 1974 Attila invasion. Again, the blame is not on Cypriots for defending their ethnicity and country by exercising their free choice, but squarely: - on Turkey for her 3 decades of intransigence, and for having demanded the last 11 unacceptable points, - on the Secretary-General for wiping out the rule of law, all the UNO resolutions on Cyprus, and for unquestionably incorporating Turkey's recent undiscussed aggressive demands in his apartheid "plan", and for pressuring Cypriots to accept all these unacceptables, - on USA and UK for flagrantly abetting these actions
With due regards
G.Eleftheriades
George Savvas Eleftheriades, OAM, JP
President, Convener
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«Ο ελληνικός λαός είναι δυσκολοκυβέρνητος και γι' αυτό πρέπει να τον πλήξουμε βαθιά στις πολιτισμικές του ρίζες. Τότε ίσως συνετισθεί. Εννοώ, δηλαδή, να πλήξουμε τη γλώσσα, τη θρησκεία, τα πνευματικά και ιστορικά αποθέματα, ώστε να εξουδετερώσουμε κάθε δυνατότητά του να αναπτυχθεί, να διακριθεί, να επικρατήσει, για να μη μας παρενοχλεί στα Βαλκάνια, να μη μας παρενοχλεί στην Ανατολική Μεσόγειο, στη Μέση Ανατολή, σε όλη αυτή τη νευραλγική περιοχή μεγάλης στρατηγικής σημασίας για μας, για την πολιτική των ΗΠΑ».
Η κυνική αυτή ομολογία ανήκει στον πρώην υπουργό Εξωτερικών των ΗΠΑ την περίοδο της τουρκικής εισβολής στην Κύπρο Χέντρι Κίσιγκερ. Τα πιο πάνω ανέφερε το 1994 προς κορυφαίους του πολιτικού κόσμου και δημοσιεύθηκαν στις 12.2.1997 από την «Turkish Daily News».
Πώς να μη συνδέσουμε την ανιστόρητη ιστορία της έκτης Δημοτικού, με το βομβαρδισμό των επιθέσεων κατά του Ελληνισμού; Αν αντιδρούμε -όσο αντιδρούμε- στις επιθέσεις για κατάληψη ενός κομματιού γης, όπως στα Ίμια, τα Στροβίλια, και άλλα, πόσω μάλλον στις επιθέσεις κατά της ίδιας της ταυτότητάς μας.
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Γονείς, ξυπνάτε! Στραβώνουν, ιστορικά, τα παιδιά σας!
ΑΝΤΙΣΤΑΣΕΙΣ
TΟΥ ΣΑΒΒΑ ΙΑΚΩΒΙΔΗ
10 Μέρος
ΓΟΝΕΙΣ, ξυπνάτε! Γιατί κοιμάστε ακόμα; Ποιος από εσάς έχει ανοίξει το βιβλίο Ιστορίας της ΣΤ’ Δημοτικού; Ανοίξτε το έστω και σήμερα, για να διαπιστώσετε με ποια επιτήδεια διαστρέβλωση και αποσιώπηση ή εξιδανίκευση γεγονότων, επιχειρείται η ιστοριο-τύφλωση των παιδιών μας. Στην Ελλάδα γίνεται ο χαμός, με αντιδράσεις Πανεπιστημιακών, δασκάλων, καθηγητών, επιστημόνων, συγγραφέων, ιστορικών, πνευματικών ανθρώπων και όσων νοιάζονται για την Ιστορία. Στην Κύπρο, σιωπή κοιμητηρίου. Ούτε η ΠΟΕΔ ούτε οι γονείς αλλ’ ούτε και το Υπουργείο Παιδείας αντέδρασαν. Απλώς, το Υπουργείο περιορίστηκε σε κάποιες επισημάνσεις για το κεφάλαιο που αναφέρεται στην Κύπρο. Για το υπόλοιπο βιβλίο, τσιμουδιά. Πλήρης αδιαφορία για την ιστορική απονεύρωση και αφυδάτωση, στην οποία προβαίνει αυτό το επαίσχυντο βιβλίο. Με αυτό γίνεται η πρώτη συνειδητή προσπάθεια δημιουργίας Ελλήνων βλακών, που θα έχουν μια στρεβλή, πλαδαρή, ανοσοποιημένη και εξανδραποδισμένη εκδοχή της Ιστορίας, με αποκοπή τους από τη συλλογική μνήμη και συνείδηση.
Ιδού παραδείγματα: Η Οθωμανική Αυτοκρατορία εξωραΐζεται και εξιδανικεύεται με την αποσιώπηση, παραποίηση ή παρερμηνεία ιστορικών γεγονότων. Οι κατακτημένοι και υπόδουλοι Έλληνες εμφανίζονται να συμβιώνουν αρμονικότατα με τους Τούρκους σφαγείς των! Καμία αναφορά στη στυγνή δουλεία, σε σφαγές (όπως π.χ. της Χίου, που αποτυπώθηκε από Ευρωπαίους περιφανείς ζωγράφους). Καμία αναφορά στα παιδομαζώματα, στα σκλαβοπάζαρα, στις ταπεινώσεις, στους εξισλαμισμούς, στους γενίτσαρους. Η λέξη «γενίτσαρος» δεν αναφέρεται πουθενά. Εξάλλου υποβαθμίζεται πλήρως ο ρόλος της Εκκλησίας στα μαύρα χρόνια της σκλαβιάς και κατά την Ελληνική Επανάσταση. Αποσιωπάται η σημασία της ορθόδοξης παράδοσής μας, η ενεργός συμμετοχή της Εκκλησίας στον αγώνα και το ότι θυσιάστηκαν 11 Πατριάρχες, 100 επίσκοποι και πάνω από 6.000 ιερείς και καλόγεροι στον κατά των Τούρκων αγώνα.
Η Ελληνική Επανάσταση εξιστορείται στεγνά, απόμακρα και άνευρα. Δεν αναφέρεται πουθενά ο εθνικός και θρησκευτικός συμβολισμός για την έναρξη της Επανάστασης, δηλ. η 25η Μαρτίου. Οι θυσίες, τα ανδραγαθήματα, οι ηρωισμοί, τα μαρτύρια και η αστείρευτη αγωνιστικότητα των Ελλήνων έχουν παραγραφεί. Στη θέση τους γίνεται αναφορά στα… αιτήματα διαφόρων ομάδων. Η ηρωική έξοδος του Μεσολογγίου αναφέρεται απλώς ως «η κίνηση των πολιορκημένων Ελλήνων να βγουν από το φρούριο»! Ως εάν να ήθελαν να πάνε… εκδρομή και όχι, ότι οι δυστυχείς Μεσολογγίτες φτάσανε στο σημείο να τρώνε ακόμα και ποντίκια, για να επιβιώσουν. Κι όταν επιχείρησαν την έξοδο, κατασφάχτηκαν, γυναικόπαιδα και αγωνιστές μαζί. Και ότι ο Καψάλης έβαλε μπουρλότο στις πυριτιδαποθήκες για να μην πέσουν σκλάβοι στα χέρια των Τούρκων. Η πιο επονείδιστη, όμως, και ενσυνείδητη διαστροφή της Ιστορίας, που μόνον διεστραμμένος και κατευθυνόμενος εγκέφαλος θα μπορούσε να διαπράξει, αφορά τη Μικρασιατική Καταστροφή.
«Στις 27 Αυγούστου 1922 ο τουρκικός στρατός μπαίνει στη Σμύρνη. Χιλιάδες Έλληνες συνωστίζονται στο λιμάνι προσπαθώντας να μπουν στα πλοία και να φύγουν για την Ελλάδα». Συνωστίζονται! Προφανώς για να αγοράσουν ταχύτερα το εισιτήριο επιστροφής! Ούτε λέξη για τις σφαγές Ελλήνων και Αρμενίων από τον Ελληνοκτόνο Ατατούρκ. Γράφει η Ιφιγένεια Χρυσοχόου, («Πυρπολημένη Γη»): «Μέσ’ στο μακελειό, τα κλάματα, τα ξεφωνητά, έφυγαν από τους Τούρκους, τρέχοντας σαν παλαβοί φτάσανε στο ‘‘Και’’ (αποβάθρα)… Στα πλάγια η θάλασσα λερωμένη και τα πτώματα τουμπανιασμένα να χτυπολογιούνται αναμεταξύ τους…». Θα συνεχίσουμε και αύριο.
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Γονείς, ξυπνάτε! Στραβώνουν, ιστορικά, τα παιδιά σας!
ΑΝΤΙΣΤΑΣΕΙΣ
TΟΥ ΣΑΒΒΑ ΙΑΚΩΒΙΔΗ
2° Μέρος
ΟΛΒΙΟΣ όστις της Ιστορίας έσχε μάθησιν! Αλλά ποια Ιστορία διδάσκουν σήμερα στα παιδιά της ΣΤ’ Δημοτικού; Αυτήν, προφανώς, που υποβάλλει ότι οι Έλληνες… συνωστίζονταν στην προκυμαία της Σμύρνης, δίνοντας μάχη για ένα εισιτήριο επιστροφής στην Ελλάδα και όχι για το ξερίζωμα και τη δραματική φυγή 1,5 εκατομμυρίου Ελλήνων από τις ορδές των Τσετών και των Τούρκων σφαγέων τους. Χτες καλούσαμε τους γονείς να δουν πώς επιχειρείται η ιστορική αφυδάτωση των παιδιών τους και να αντιδράσουν. Πρώτα απαιτώντας από την ΠΟΕΔ να εξηγήσει τη σιωπή και την ανοχή της. Ύστερα απαιτώντας εξηγήσεις από το Υπουργείο Παιδείας. Και τέλος, καταφεύγοντας στο γνωστό περιοδικό «Αντίβαρο» και διά της ηλεκτρονικής ψήφου των να απαιτήσουν την απόσυρση και το ξαναγράψιμο του βιβλίου. Ιδού η ηλεκτρονική διεύθυνση του περιοδικού:
http://www.antibaro.gr. Εκεί θα βρουν πλειάδα κειμένων πανεπιστημιακών και εκπαιδευτικών, που αναλύουν το έγκλημα, που επιχειρείται σε βάρος της ελληνικής Ιστορίας και των παιδιών μας.
Τι ήταν οι Κλέφτες; «Ένοπλη αντίσταση θεωρείται και η δράση των κλεφτών. Οι κλέφτες συγκροτούν ένοπλες ομάδες, κάνουν επιθέσεις… σε κρατικούς αξιωματούχους…, αρπάζοντας χρήματα, όπλα, τρόφιμα» (σελ. 32). Οι φημισμένοι Κλέφτες, που με τους Αρματωλούς αποτέλεσαν την πρώτη ένοπλη αντίσταση στον Τούρκο δυνάστη, με μικρό κάπα. Δηλ. υποβάλλεται στα παιδιά μας ότι επρόκειτο για κοινούς κλέφτες, που σήμερα θα θεωρούσαμε υποκείμενα του κοινού ποινικού δικαίου, που επετίθεντο σε «κρατικούς αξιωματούχους». Και ποιοι ήταν αυτοί; Ήταν οι σουλτάνοι, οι πασάδες, οι αγάδες, οι λογής-λογής αξιωματούχοι του Τούρκου κατακτητή, που κρατούσαν υπόδ=E