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Postby The Cypriot » Sat May 09, 2009 7:12 pm

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Byron wrote:Perhaps you may be right. On the other hand it shows that we too are not too gravely concerned about solving the Cyprus problem.


I think that would be a mistake. Turkey has more to gain from withdrawing from Cyprus than by maintaining the occupation of an EU member. You never know though. Never underestimate Turkey's capacity to shoot itself in the foot.


For 35 years nobody has managed to obtain any concessions from them. I am glad you are so hopeful, I am not too sure that things will improve.


Defeatist! Your good Lord namesake will be turning in his grave.
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Postby Byron » Sat May 09, 2009 7:16 pm

The Cypriot wrote:
Byron wrote:
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Byron wrote:Perhaps you may be right. On the other hand it shows that we too are not too gravely concerned about solving the Cyprus problem.


I think that would be a mistake. Turkey has more to gain from withdrawing from Cyprus than by maintaining the occupation of an EU member. You never know though. Never underestimate Turkey's capacity to shoot itself in the foot.




For 35 years nobody has managed to obtain any concessions from them. I am glad you are so hopeful, I am not too sure that things will improve.


Defeatist! Your good Lord namesake will be turning in his grave.


Perhaps he is, who knows ! If you are so confident of a solution, please enlighten us when we shall be able to go back to our rightful homes ?
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Postby The Cypriot » Sat May 09, 2009 7:22 pm

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Perhaps he is, who knows ! If you are so confident of a solution, please enlighten us when we shall be able to go back to our rightful homes ?


Hey, I'm confident in the size of my archithkia. I'm confident in my unwaivering commitment to the cause of freedom. I'm confident that truth and justice are on my side.

But I don't do predictions. You're going to have to ask the Oracle for that. But make sure you get her in a good mood.
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Postby Byron » Sat May 09, 2009 7:23 pm

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Byron wrote:As long as Turkey has the complete backing of the US their position on Cyprus will not change. As to EU accession, the Turks are in no real hurry to join and Europe is in no real hurry to welcome them. Result, total stalemate at the expense of Cyprus .


Spot on Byron.


Unfortunately, other forum members fail to see the point. GC's and TC's can talk forever but nothing ever changes apart from spiritual concessions like the cross points etc.... nothing concrete has been achieved from a political point of view apart from the recent judgement which has still to be legally enforced. This is because Cyprus is a very small island of no major interest to the EU or to the US . It is just a pawn in a big end game.


That's why you need Cypriots with big archithkia to get us noticed. Come on, Lord Byron. Get with the broghramman! We're fighting for freedom here.


Agreed but when do we get our freedom ?
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Postby The Cypriot » Sat May 09, 2009 7:26 pm

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Agreed but when do we get our freedom ?


Pursuing freedom makes you free! The good Lord would tell you that...
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Postby Hermes » Sat May 09, 2009 7:32 pm

Byron wrote:This is because Cyprus is a very small island of no major interest to the EU or to the US. It is just a pawn in a big end game.


You do realise that Cyprus is part of the EU? That this gives it a say in EU decisions and that Cypriot court decisions are enforceable throughout the EU. Small island it may be but it has access to all the diplomatic and legal protection of the EU.

Now Turkey is knocking at the EU's door again. And Cyprus is still blocking Turkey's path. So of course there is a stalemate. But that is just Turkey being a bit slow in realising that it can't have its way over Cyprus...
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Postby The Cypriot » Sat May 09, 2009 7:35 pm

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Byron wrote:This is because Cyprus is a very small island of no major interest to the EU or to the US. It is just a pawn in a big end game.


You do realise that Cyprus is part of the EU? That this gives it a say in EU decisions and that Cypriot court decisions are enforceable throughout the EU. Small island it may be but it has access to all the diplomatic and legal protection of the EU.

Now Turkey is knocking at the EU's door again. And Cyprus is still blocking Turkey's path. So of course there is a stalemate. But that is just Turkey being a bit slow in realising that it can't have its way over Cyprus...


Hermes, your patience is of Olympian proportions.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sat May 09, 2009 7:44 pm

Byron wrote:
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Byron wrote:As long as Turkey has the complete backing of the US their position on Cyprus will not change. As to EU accession, the Turks are in no real hurry to join and Europe is in no real hurry to welcome them. Result, total stalemate at the expense of Cyprus .


Spot on Byron.


Unfortunately, other forum members fail to see the point. GC's and TC's can talk forever but nothing ever changes apart from spiritual concessions like the cross points etc.... nothing concrete has been achieved from a political point of view apart from the recent judgement which has still to be legally enforced. This is because Cyprus is a very small island of no major interest to the EU or to the US . It is just a pawn in a big end game.


Hey dont say that Byron you will burst the GCs bubble they think they are in the driving seat. :lol:
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Postby Viewpoint » Sat May 09, 2009 7:45 pm

The Cypriot wrote:
Byron wrote:
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Byron wrote:As long as Turkey has the complete backing of the US their position on Cyprus will not change. As to EU accession, the Turks are in no real hurry to join and Europe is in no real hurry to welcome them. Result, total stalemate at the expense of Cyprus .


Spot on Byron.


Unfortunately, other forum members fail to see the point. GC's and TC's can talk forever but nothing ever changes apart from spiritual concessions like the cross points etc.... nothing concrete has been achieved from a political point of view apart from the recent judgement which has still to be legally enforced. This is because Cyprus is a very small island of no major interest to the EU or to the US . It is just a pawn in a big end game.


That's why you need Cypriots with big archithkia to get us noticed. Come on, Lord Byron. Get with the broghramman! We're fighting for freedom here.


Your court jester like antics know no bounds.
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Postby The Cypriot » Sat May 09, 2009 7:45 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Byron wrote:
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Byron wrote:As long as Turkey has the complete backing of the US their position on Cyprus will not change. As to EU accession, the Turks are in no real hurry to join and Europe is in no real hurry to welcome them. Result, total stalemate at the expense of Cyprus .


Spot on Byron.


Unfortunately, other forum members fail to see the point. GC's and TC's can talk forever but nothing ever changes apart from spiritual concessions like the cross points etc.... nothing concrete has been achieved from a political point of view apart from the recent judgement which has still to be legally enforced. This is because Cyprus is a very small island of no major interest to the EU or to the US . It is just a pawn in a big end game.


Hey dont say that Byron you will burst the GCs bubble they think they are in the driving seat. :lol:


Byron and VP are like golon je vraji!
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