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[insan]

The Hellenic tail must not wag the European dog
By Marko Attila Hoare, 31st December 2007

This dirty Hoare needs to understand that the EU dog has no choice, because the Cypriot tail is wedged right up its backside – and it's going to keep on wagging till the stench has gone.

By the way, insan.... happy new year 2008!

It's been one and a half year Hoare written that article and in my opinion it is still valid. I numerous times emphisized almost the same or similar thoughts on this forum. Time is approaching for Greece to face with the realities and stop behaving as King of the region. Greece should take into account the interests of all members of Western Allince; including Turkey. Greece's strings r still in hands of US as a trump card against Turkey's Middle East and Far East cooperation with US. On the other hand if Turkey make a good deal that satisfactory for both US and herself; will get a very good trump card to push a solution in frame of Turkish solution thesis.

The job of western alliance in Balkans has almost finished. Greece almost has no more trump cards to play and push a solution in frame of Greek solution thesis.

That's my 100 cents.

That's not worth 100 cents. Can have a refund?

I'd like a counter argument instead of a refund.

[The Cypriot]

It's been one and a half year Hoare written that article and in my opinion it is still valid. I numerous times emphisized almost the same or similar thoughts on this forum. Time is approaching for Greece to face with the realities and stop behaving as King of the region.

She's been throwing her weight around a bit 'cos she's in the EU and feels she can. Don't forget she got shafted big-style by the Anglo-Americans after the second world war... And then she had the CIA backed colonels screwing her for a while too. She's a bit sore after all that and has been having a few tantrums... Nothing too serious though. But any way I'm not an expert on Greece.

Greece should take into account the interests of all members of Western Allince; including Turkey.

I think that works both ways.

Greece's strings r still in hands of US as a trump card against Turkey's Middle East and Far East cooperation with US. On the other hand if Turkey make a good deal that satisfactory for both US and herself; will get a very good trump card to push a solution in frame of Turkish solution thesis.

I don't understand... No one can do deals on Cyprus any more. Only the Cypriots can do deals on Cyprus. Not Greece. Not the EU. Not America. And a good deal for Turkey is one the Cypriots will accept.

The job of western alliance in Balkans has almost finished. Greece almost has no more trump cards to play and push a solution in frame of Greek solution thesis.

Greece's solution thesis is no different to EU solution thesis. My head hurts.

[insan]

It's been one and a half year Hoare written that article and in my opinion it is still valid. I numerous times emphisized almost the same or similar thoughts on this forum. Time is approaching for Greece to face with the realities and stop behaving as King of the region.

She's been throwing her weight around a bit 'cos she's in the EU and feels she can. Don't forget she got shafted big-style by the Anglo-Americans after the second world war... And then she had the CIA backed colonels screwing her for a while too. She's a bit sore after all that and has been having a few tantrums... Nothing too serious though. But any way I'm not an expert on Greece.

The "game" is based on full reconciliation of Greeks and Turks; their Cypriot variants r included. This is unavoidable and has great significance for Western Alliance, especially US and pro-Americans all over EU.

Greece should take into account the interests of all members of Western Allince; including Turkey.

I think that works both ways.

True, but enough worked for Greek/GC way since 60s. It's time for Turkey and TCs now.

Greece's strings r still in hands of US as a trump card against Turkey's Middle East and Far East cooperation with US. On the other hand if Turkey make a good deal that satisfactory for both US and herself; will get a very good trump card to push a solution in frame of Turkish solution thesis.

I don't understand... No one can do deals on Cyprus any more. Only the Cypriots can do deals on Cyprus. Not Greece. Not the EU. Not America. And a good deal for Turkey is one the Cypriots will accept.

All Cypriot political groups have strong ties and cooperation with "mainland" political groups. In reality there's no much difference between the agendas of local Cypriot political groups and main political groups of their "motherlands". As for the ordinary Cypriots, they follow the path where a bunch of Cypriot politicians pull them.

The job of western alliance in Balkans has almost finished. Greece almost has no more trump cards to play and push a solution in frame of Greek solution thesis.

Greece's solution thesis is no different to EU solution thesis. My head hurts.

When Greece did her solution thesis, EU had been just founded. Similarity is just a coincidence. EU is based on realities of the world and pragmatism.

[The Cypriot]

I think that works both ways.

True, but enough worked for Greek/GC way since 60s. It's time for Turkey and TCs now.

No it's not and stop splitting Cypriots and lumping them with either Greece or Turkey. This isn't the 1960's.

All Cypriot political groups have strong ties and cooperation with "mainland" political groups.

North maybe they do. South? They have links and cooperation with parties throughout the EU.

In reality there's no much difference between the agendas of local Cypriot political groups and main political groups of their "motherlands". As for the ordinary Cypriots, they follow the path where a bunch of Cypriot politicians pull them.

Maybe in the north. In the south people are getting more sophisticated...

When Greece did her solution thesis, EU had been just founded. Similarity is just a coincidence. EU is based on realities of the world and pragmatism.

And above all, on the rule of law.

[Nikitas]

You forgot that Spain does not recognise Kossovo either. Any comments on Spain?

Ah, yes, and thsi morning, May 11, President Sarkozy of France and Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany reiterated their conviction that Turkey cannot become a member of the EU.

Are they parts of the dog or its tail?

[AWE]

You forgot that Spain does not recognise Kossovo either. Any comments on Spain?

Ah, yes, and thsi morning, May 11, President Sarkozy of France and Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany reiterated their conviction that Turkey cannot become a member of the EU.

Are they parts of the dog or its tail?

then I fear if Turkey is not in the EU then Turkish troops will remain in Cyprus.

What would the Cypriots rather have Turkey in the EU and out of Cyprus or out of the EU and in Cyprus?

[The Cypriot]

then I fear if Turkey is not in the EU then Turkish troops will remain in Cyprus.

Shame that the poor, long-suffering people of Cyprus should be the ones who are punished because of Germany and France's ill-feeling towards Turkey... Maybe these countries' ill-feeling is justified.

What would the Cypriots rather have Turkey in the EU and out of Cyprus or out of the EU and in Cyprus?

I would like Turkey to earn its place in Europe. Removing her troops and letting Cypriots rule themselves would be a big step in the right direction.

[Nikitas]

Turks are insisting on applying the bazaar principle to EU accession, it will not work. Every country has had to pass the same tests. The Turks are trying to avoid the testing process and apply negotiation and give and take instead.

They are failing to grasp a simple matter- that all the other nations that had to go through the testing process will not accept a new member bypassing the process.

As for Cyprus being the victim of Turkey's Eu accession, that makes no difference. Turkish cynicism is not going to change either in or out of the EU. The main point here is what the TCs think of being kept out of the EU by a backward bunch of megalomaniac generals and other deep state operatives.

[EPSILON]

The Hellenic tail must not wag the European dog
By Marko Attila Hoare, 31st December 2007



1. Greece and Cyprus are, over Macedonia, Serbia and Kosovo, pursuing policies motivated by nationalist concerns that are out of keeping with democratic values and counter to EU interests.

2. Greece and Cyprus have since the early 1990s consistently pursued destructive policies in South East Europe that have proved highly damaging vis-a-vis both Turkey and the former Yugoslavia.

3. For the sake of regional stability, and to set an example for how new EU member-states should behave, it is time for the Western alliance to cease to tolerate Greek and Cypriot mischief-making.

http://www.henryjacksonsociety.org/stories.asp?id=473

The Greeks my dear,give sht on what Eu saying-we are created them and they just cop us./Always copies are worst than original.

Copies are Miltiadis and Joakim in Bremen- I was and i am original "GREEK"