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Postby bill cobbett » Fri May 08, 2009 2:08 pm

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bill cobbett wrote:"Wonderful news"? = pollocks!

Following our only visit there some three years ago I can confirm that there has been no desecration or destruction at AA other than that caused by the Enforced Isolation.

The fabric of the building is in a poor state of repair but it is limestone and caused by natural weathering. Having said that however, on going inside what strook me was the large number of chandeliers hanging from the ceiling. Most of them, I suspect, had been rescued from other churches and brought there for safekeeping.

As to restoration, this is a matter for its owners and I am sure that the Orthodox Church isn't short a cellini or two when it feels the time and conditions are right. It's got nothing to do with the Occupation Regime and doesn't require USAid.

(Ra Fredoulla, aman se tho, tha se baptiso, mesto ayion nero, me doh sabunee, kai doh "Vim")



BillC.

I did use the word 'good news' in a sarcastic way.


Apolowogoes D. I misread the quotes. I thought I was replying to Freddie, who doesn't get an apology, just a good cleaning.

(...tha se bleeno F, k'esana kai doh kolophilo sou, don Halili.)
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Postby DT. » Fri May 08, 2009 2:11 pm

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DT. wrote:from the 182 mosques in occupied Cyprus 28 of them were churches in 1974.

Thanks for protecting the cultural heritage of the island. :roll:

http://www.politis-news.com/cgibin/hweb ... rticles&-p

One house of god is as good as another. Look on the bright side, at least its maintained by those wonderful people in Efkaf. What can you wish for?


You think the Italians would have a problem if you kept the art intact but made the sistine Chapel a mosque?

Do you think the French would mind terribly if Notre Dame has a couple of minarets added?

There's been an exhibition in Brussels at the European Parliament for some time now. It shows the full extent of the damage the occupied regime had done in Cyprus. Its very difficult to miss it, I'd imagine any Turkish politicians visiting the European Parliament must pass by it every day. 8)
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Re: RESTORATION OF THE APOSTOLOS ANDREAS MONASTERY

Postby EPSILON » Fri May 08, 2009 2:18 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
EPSILON wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
EPSILON wrote:
Hermes wrote:
runaway wrote:
DT. wrote: WHere are the Orthodox icons? ?


stolen by your barbarian people when borders were opened.

I am reminded of the words of British Prime Minister William Gladstone:

"Let me endeavor, very briefly to sketch, in outline what the Turkish race was and what it is. It is not a question of Mohammedanism simply, but of Mohammedanism compounded with the peculiar character of a race. They are not the mild Mohammedans of India, nor the chivalrous Saladins of Syria, nor the cultured Moors of Spain. They were, upon the whole, from the black day when they first entered Europe, the one great anti-human specimen of humanity. Wherever they went a broad line of blood marked the track behind them, and, as far as their dominion reached, civilization disappeared from view."


This is a good one-already a copy is on my desktop



Out of interest, do you admire Gladstone for his policies? or his remarks of Turco-phobia.

Give me a name of another British politician you admire, it is most likely possible one could find a conflicting statement. Would you also put that on your desk-top?

:lol: :lol:


I do not care about Gladstone. I just like the text. If your problem is Glastone , i will present it as mine in the next occasion



I dont give a dicky bird about British or any politician. They are all a bunch of bullshitters. I just find it amusing that you seek out anything anti Turkish and celebrate. :lol:


This is the nature of the war lossers my friend.I am one of them and this is very hard for my stomach...
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Re: RESTORATION OF THE APOSTOLOS ANDREAS MONASTERY

Postby denizaksulu » Fri May 08, 2009 2:24 pm

EPSILON wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
EPSILON wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
EPSILON wrote:
Hermes wrote:
runaway wrote:
DT. wrote: WHere are the Orthodox icons? ?


stolen by your barbarian people when borders were opened.

I am reminded of the words of British Prime Minister William Gladstone:

"Let me endeavor, very briefly to sketch, in outline what the Turkish race was and what it is. It is not a question of Mohammedanism simply, but of Mohammedanism compounded with the peculiar character of a race. They are not the mild Mohammedans of India, nor the chivalrous Saladins of Syria, nor the cultured Moors of Spain. They were, upon the whole, from the black day when they first entered Europe, the one great anti-human specimen of humanity. Wherever they went a broad line of blood marked the track behind them, and, as far as their dominion reached, civilization disappeared from view."


This is a good one-already a copy is on my desktop



Out of interest, do you admire Gladstone for his policies? or his remarks of Turco-phobia.

Give me a name of another British politician you admire, it is most likely possible one could find a conflicting statement. Would you also put that on your desk-top?

:lol: :lol:


I do not care about Gladstone. I just like the text. If your problem is Glastone , i will present it as mine in the next occasion



I dont give a dicky bird about British or any politician. They are all a bunch of bullshitters. I just find it amusing that you seek out anything anti Turkish and celebrate. :lol:


This is the nature of the war lossers my friend.I am one of them and this is very hard for my stomach...



OK. I am with you. Let us ban war. Let us live in harmony and lets get on with our lives. Lets ignore the external factors...............lets............
or am I dreaming?
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Re: RESTORATION OF THE APOSTOLOS ANDREAS MONASTERY

Postby Oracle » Fri May 08, 2009 2:28 pm

denizaksulu wrote:... I just find it amusing that you seek out anything anti Turkish and celebrate. :lol:


Deniz ... I don't think anyone is celebrating anything "anti-Turkish" per se, with these quotes. The celebration is in finding another (aficionado), who also knows the truth about the Turks.
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Re: RESTORATION OF THE APOSTOLOS ANDREAS MONASTERY

Postby EPSILON » Fri May 08, 2009 2:28 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
EPSILON wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
EPSILON wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
EPSILON wrote:
Hermes wrote:
runaway wrote:
DT. wrote: WHere are the Orthodox icons? ?


stolen by your barbarian people when borders were opened.

I am reminded of the words of British Prime Minister William Gladstone:

"Let me endeavor, very briefly to sketch, in outline what the Turkish race was and what it is. It is not a question of Mohammedanism simply, but of Mohammedanism compounded with the peculiar character of a race. They are not the mild Mohammedans of India, nor the chivalrous Saladins of Syria, nor the cultured Moors of Spain. They were, upon the whole, from the black day when they first entered Europe, the one great anti-human specimen of humanity. Wherever they went a broad line of blood marked the track behind them, and, as far as their dominion reached, civilization disappeared from view."


This is a good one-already a copy is on my desktop



Out of interest, do you admire Gladstone for his policies? or his remarks of Turco-phobia.

Give me a name of another British politician you admire, it is most likely possible one could find a conflicting statement. Would you also put that on your desk-top?

:lol: :lol:


I do not care about Gladstone. I just like the text. If your problem is Glastone , i will present it as mine in the next occasion



I dont give a dicky bird about British or any politician. They are all a bunch of bullshitters. I just find it amusing that you seek out anything anti Turkish and celebrate. :lol:


This is the nature of the war lossers my friend.I am one of them and this is very hard for my stomach...



OK. I am with you. Let us ban war. Let us live in harmony and lets get on with our lives. Lets ignore the external factors...............lets............
or am I dreaming?


Not yet my friend. Let us have the war victory and then you will be our brothers.....not now.
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Re: RESTORATION OF THE APOSTOLOS ANDREAS MONASTERY

Postby YFred » Fri May 08, 2009 2:33 pm

EPSILON wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
EPSILON wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
EPSILON wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
EPSILON wrote:
Hermes wrote:
runaway wrote:
DT. wrote: WHere are the Orthodox icons? ?


stolen by your barbarian people when borders were opened.

I am reminded of the words of British Prime Minister William Gladstone:

"Let me endeavor, very briefly to sketch, in outline what the Turkish race was and what it is. It is not a question of Mohammedanism simply, but of Mohammedanism compounded with the peculiar character of a race. They are not the mild Mohammedans of India, nor the chivalrous Saladins of Syria, nor the cultured Moors of Spain. They were, upon the whole, from the black day when they first entered Europe, the one great anti-human specimen of humanity. Wherever they went a broad line of blood marked the track behind them, and, as far as their dominion reached, civilization disappeared from view."


This is a good one-already a copy is on my desktop



Out of interest, do you admire Gladstone for his policies? or his remarks of Turco-phobia.

Give me a name of another British politician you admire, it is most likely possible one could find a conflicting statement. Would you also put that on your desk-top?

:lol: :lol:


I do not care about Gladstone. I just like the text. If your problem is Glastone , i will present it as mine in the next occasion



I dont give a dicky bird about British or any politician. They are all a bunch of bullshitters. I just find it amusing that you seek out anything anti Turkish and celebrate. :lol:


This is the nature of the war lossers my friend.I am one of them and this is very hard for my stomach...



OK. I am with you. Let us ban war. Let us live in harmony and lets get on with our lives. Lets ignore the external factors...............lets............
or am I dreaming?


Not yet my friend. Let us have the war victory and then you will be our brothers.....not now.

That is a very interesting concept. Give us a good kicking and then you will be our brother? You are nuts.
Please read below:
Brothers to bury five family members after 35 years

FIVE MEMBERS of a Greek Cypriot family between the ages of two and 48, who were murdered during the 1974 Turkish invasion will be buried on Sunday, 35 years after they were killed.

Surviving brothers Costas and Petros Souppouris, who were eight and ten at the time, in an interview with the Cyprus News Agency yesterday said “never again” as they prepared for the funerals of their father Andreas Souppouris, 48, their mother Areti Souppouris, 39, brother Dimitris Souppouris 6 years old, sister Julia Souppouris, 2, and aunt Thekla Souppouris, 47.

The remains of the five were recently located in a mass grave along with the remains of 12 other people, murdered during the same incident in Palekythro and identified through the DNA method.

“We hope that what we have been through does not happen again, so that our children do not experience anything like that,” said Costas describing the incident on August 17, 1974 when a group of young Turkish Cypriots went to the family home, where 23 Greek Cypriots were hiding.

“We hope that what happened then and past mistakes made by some persons from both sides on the island teach us a lesson. It is the only thing we hope for,” added Petros who said the funeral was very important for the family. “At least now we know what happened”, said Costas, who managed to escape the murderers just minutes before the killing.

“One by one, they took us out of the house, my father, my mother, the Liasis family. My brother managed to escape and he went to our grandmother’s house,” said Petros of Costas. My brother Yiannis, whose remains have not yet been found, and I left the house last. They kept shooting. One of them ordered us out of the house and the rest were shooting at us. I was wounded. After a couple of hours, the Turkish army arrived and offered us medical care. During the next days I met up with my brother Costas and my aunts. After a few days they took us to the school at Voni village and a month later we came to the southern government controlled part of the country.”

Petros said that he had never asked to learn the names of those who killed six members of his family.

“The point is what will happen in the future. Of course the criminals still remain criminals, but the most important thing is what we, as Cypriots, choose to do; either to continue a vendetta and the killings or to learn about what happened and try to understand why those things happened. I have opted for the second choice,” he said.



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Re: RESTORATION OF THE APOSTOLOS ANDREAS MONASTERY

Postby denizaksulu » Fri May 08, 2009 2:34 pm

Oracle wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:... I just find it amusing that you seek out anything anti Turkish and celebrate. :lol:


Deniz ... I don't think anyone is celebrating anything "anti-Turkish" per se, with these quotes. The celebration is in finding another (aficionado), who also knows the truth about the Turks.



My point was also that politicians will be politicians. They will change their tune like the English weather.' Political expediency ' comes to mind.

Was it Gladstone who became your new master? :lol:
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Re: RESTORATION OF THE APOSTOLOS ANDREAS MONASTERY

Postby denizaksulu » Fri May 08, 2009 2:36 pm

EPSILON wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
EPSILON wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
EPSILON wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
EPSILON wrote:
Hermes wrote:
runaway wrote:
DT. wrote: WHere are the Orthodox icons? ?


stolen by your barbarian people when borders were opened.

I am reminded of the words of British Prime Minister William Gladstone:

"Let me endeavor, very briefly to sketch, in outline what the Turkish race was and what it is. It is not a question of Mohammedanism simply, but of Mohammedanism compounded with the peculiar character of a race. They are not the mild Mohammedans of India, nor the chivalrous Saladins of Syria, nor the cultured Moors of Spain. They were, upon the whole, from the black day when they first entered Europe, the one great anti-human specimen of humanity. Wherever they went a broad line of blood marked the track behind them, and, as far as their dominion reached, civilization disappeared from view."


This is a good one-already a copy is on my desktop



Out of interest, do you admire Gladstone for his policies? or his remarks of Turco-phobia.

Give me a name of another British politician you admire, it is most likely possible one could find a conflicting statement. Would you also put that on your desk-top?

:lol: :lol:


I do not care about Gladstone. I just like the text. If your problem is Glastone , i will present it as mine in the next occasion



I dont give a dicky bird about British or any politician. They are all a bunch of bullshitters. I just find it amusing that you seek out anything anti Turkish and celebrate. :lol:


This is the nature of the war lossers my friend.I am one of them and this is very hard for my stomach...



OK. I am with you. Let us ban war. Let us live in harmony and lets get on with our lives. Lets ignore the external factors...............lets............
or am I dreaming?


Not yet my friend. Let us have the war victory and then you will be our brothers.....not now.



:cry: :cry:

So you want to have the last word? Then there is no end to all this suffering. Shame really.

Back to the table. Lets have ' Mother of all Settlements'. :?
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Re: RESTORATION OF THE APOSTOLOS ANDREAS MONASTERY

Postby EPSILON » Fri May 08, 2009 2:38 pm

YFred wrote:
EPSILON wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
EPSILON wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
EPSILON wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
EPSILON wrote:
Hermes wrote:
runaway wrote:
DT. wrote: WHere are the Orthodox icons? ?


stolen by your barbarian people when borders were opened.

I am reminded of the words of British Prime Minister William Gladstone:

"Let me endeavor, very briefly to sketch, in outline what the Turkish race was and what it is. It is not a question of Mohammedanism simply, but of Mohammedanism compounded with the peculiar character of a race. They are not the mild Mohammedans of India, nor the chivalrous Saladins of Syria, nor the cultured Moors of Spain. They were, upon the whole, from the black day when they first entered Europe, the one great anti-human specimen of humanity. Wherever they went a broad line of blood marked the track behind them, and, as far as their dominion reached, civilization disappeared from view."


This is a good one-already a copy is on my desktop



Out of interest, do you admire Gladstone for his policies? or his remarks of Turco-phobia.

Give me a name of another British politician you admire, it is most likely possible one could find a conflicting statement. Would you also put that on your desk-top?

:lol: :lol:


I do not care about Gladstone. I just like the text. If your problem is Glastone , i will present it as mine in the next occasion



I dont give a dicky bird about British or any politician. They are all a bunch of bullshitters. I just find it amusing that you seek out anything anti Turkish and celebrate. :lol:


This is the nature of the war lossers my friend.I am one of them and this is very hard for my stomach...



OK. I am with you. Let us ban war. Let us live in harmony and lets get on with our lives. Lets ignore the external factors...............lets............
or am I dreaming?


Not yet my friend. Let us have the war victory and then you will be our brothers.....not now.

That is a very interesting concept. Give us a good kicking and then you will be our brother? You are nuts.


I was just describing the official policy of Turks during the last 100 years!!!
Always after a win in war they are asking for brothers and sisters. They never do so if they loose a war!!!!reason? just to make their victory official-same to be accepted by the victims- therefore my friend i knew very well what i wrote abv and i did not write same because i am a nut.
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