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Was this from Alexander the great? Those who are in military want to have respect either they win or lose. I wouldn't expect anything else from them! Respect from me goes to those who fight for freedom, democracy and human rights! Those who fight for expansionism and to oppress others don't have my respect. I think we should progress and reject the negative things of the past!

Yes Sotos. You are quite right. Our freedom fighters should be respected and it may surprise you but they are willing to do just that.

Unfortunately for us and for those freedom fighters it was not to be, but we must accept the blame for this.

Nevertheless, they just might surprise you in the very near future and I hope we reciprocate.

The British have even build a memorial in Staffordshire, England, for 5,000 German service personnel killed in Britain during WW11, on land gifted to the German Government in 1962.

So what does this say about us? Are we upholding Alexander's legacy?

Paphitis

That is a cemetery where the soldiers killed on British soil were buried. We already have the equivalent in Cyprus at Wayne's Keep.

What we do not need is a Memorial to Colonialism which is what the collective tribute will be.

Please stop ... ... it really is like asking the Africans to have a Memorial for the slave traders .....

OK, I will stop only out of respect to you.

We shall agree to disagree.

I'd rather you stopped 'cos you're wrong!

[Paphitis]

This from one of our Greatest Military Strategists in History:

"Before battle, he would ride down the ranks, and call aloud by name, [those men] who in previous battles had performed conspicuous deeds of valor." Being praised before his comrades by the commander himself in this manner must have been a major morale booster for a soldier. After the battle he would care for his wounded men, give the fallen - both friend and foe alike - a splendid military funeral and praise those who had shown bravery in battle.

So, my dear compatriots, what has changed since then?

Why have we regressed as a nation and people?

Should we setup a memorial for the fallen mehmetchik that died in Cyprus as well?

How ridiculous can you get DT?

[DT.]

This from one of our Greatest Military Strategists in History:

"Before battle, he would ride down the ranks, and call aloud by name, [those men] who in previous battles had performed conspicuous deeds of valor." Being praised before his comrades by the commander himself in this manner must have been a major morale booster for a soldier. After the battle he would care for his wounded men, give the fallen - both friend and foe alike - a splendid military funeral and praise those who had shown bravery in battle.

So, my dear compatriots, what has changed since then?

Why have we regressed as a nation and people?

Should we setup a memorial for the fallen mehmetchik that died in Cyprus as well?

How ridiculous can you get DT?

Are they not soldiers? Whats the difference between them and the English soldiers?

[bigOz]

This from one of our Greatest Military Strategists in History:

"Before battle, he would ride down the ranks, and call aloud by name, [those men] who in previous battles had performed conspicuous deeds of valor." Being praised before his comrades by the commander himself in this manner must have been a major morale booster for a soldier. After the battle he would care for his wounded men, give the fallen - both friend and foe alike - a splendid military funeral and praise those who had shown bravery in battle.

So, my dear compatriots, what has changed since then?

Why have we regressed as a nation and people?

Should we setup a memorial for the fallen mehmetchik that died in Cyprus as well?

How ridiculous can you get DT?

Already there are many memorials for the fallen Mehmetcik in North Cyprus. You must differentiate between world poletics and the poleticians' toys who are the soldiers. Soldiers have to obey orders on whatever side they are. They have mothers brothers and sisters and are not pieces of objects. When they die they are nothing more than statistics for those who started the war - but they leave a big gap with their loved ones' lives irrespective of their nationality.

The above is true for Turkish, Greek, English, German etc (by the way - most Germans were not Nazis and did not approve SS tactics either). The best example is the memorial for the fallen (hundreds of thousands) foreign invasion forces at Dardannels (Gelibolu) mainly British from many colonial states (mostly Australia). Every year theis relatives still come to visit the memorial all the way from distant countries and pay their respects.

I need not remind you that the memorial was built in memory of those who attacked and caused the death of thousands of Turkish soldiers during a fruitless campaign.

[Paphitis]

This from one of our Greatest Military Strategists in History:

"Before battle, he would ride down the ranks, and call aloud by name, [those men] who in previous battles had performed conspicuous deeds of valor." Being praised before his comrades by the commander himself in this manner must have been a major morale booster for a soldier. After the battle he would care for his wounded men, give the fallen - both friend and foe alike - a splendid military funeral and praise those who had shown bravery in battle.

So, my dear compatriots, what has changed since then?

Why have we regressed as a nation and people?

Should we setup a memorial for the fallen mehmetchik that died in Cyprus as well?

How ridiculous can you get DT?

Are they not soldiers? Whats the difference between them and the English soldiers?

Well, for starters we are still under occupation.

Secondly, you can't compare the Mehmetchik to the British Army. Chalk and Cheese.

Thirdly, if and when the Cyprus Problem is solved, there is nothing stopping the TCs from having their memorial. They already do in the "trnc" but I don't have to be happy about this.

The British Army however has good Military Covenants and traditions and they are mature enough to just let go. Because they have done so already. They would be willing to honor us in the finest military traditions and that is something the Mehmetchik just won't do. They have done it for others but never will for Greeks or Cypriots.

[DT.]

This from one of our Greatest Military Strategists in History:

"Before battle, he would ride down the ranks, and call aloud by name, [those men] who in previous battles had performed conspicuous deeds of valor." Being praised before his comrades by the commander himself in this manner must have been a major morale booster for a soldier. After the battle he would care for his wounded men, give the fallen - both friend and foe alike - a splendid military funeral and praise those who had shown bravery in battle.

So, my dear compatriots, what has changed since then?

Why have we regressed as a nation and people?

Should we setup a memorial for the fallen mehmetchik that died in Cyprus as well?

How ridiculous can you get DT?

Are they not soldiers? Whats the difference between them and the English soldiers?

Well, for starters we are still under occupation.

Secondly, you can't compare the Mehmetchik to the British Army. Chalk and Cheese.

Thirdly, if and when the Cyprus Problem is solved, there is nothing stopping the TCs from having their memorial. They already do in the "trnc" but I don't have to be happy about this.

The British Army however has good Military Covenants and traditions and they are mature enough to just let go. Because they have done so already. They would be willing to honor us in the finest military traditions and that is something the Mehmetchik just won't do. They have done it for others but never will for Greeks or Cypriots.

double standards Paphiti,

so are we only to honour our enemies soldiers that we like?

[EricSeans]

This from one of our Greatest Military Strategists in History:

"Before battle, he would ride down the ranks, and call aloud by name, [those men] who in previous battles had performed conspicuous deeds of valor." Being praised before his comrades by the commander himself in this manner must have been a major morale booster for a soldier. After the battle he would care for his wounded men, give the fallen - both friend and foe alike - a splendid military funeral and praise those who had shown bravery in battle.

So, my dear compatriots, what has changed since then?

Why have we regressed as a nation and people?

Would that be the "Turkish Erection" I've heard TCs talk about? Hideous blight on the landscape and utterly tasteless way to remember the fallen. The Turkish troops are better commemorated at the cemetery nearby than this monstrosity, no offence intended.

Should we setup a memorial for the fallen mehmetchik that died in Cyprus as well?

Wake up, there is one - left side of Girne.

[EricSeans]

My reply in wrong place

[Paphitis]

This from one of our Greatest Military Strategists in History:

"Before battle, he would ride down the ranks, and call aloud by name, [those men] who in previous battles had performed conspicuous deeds of valor." Being praised before his comrades by the commander himself in this manner must have been a major morale booster for a soldier. After the battle he would care for his wounded men, give the fallen - both friend and foe alike - a splendid military funeral and praise those who had shown bravery in battle.

So, my dear compatriots, what has changed since then?

Why have we regressed as a nation and people?

Should we setup a memorial for the fallen mehmetchik that died in Cyprus as well?

How ridiculous can you get DT?

Are they not soldiers? Whats the difference between them and the English soldiers?

Well, for starters we are still under occupation.

Secondly, you can't compare the Mehmetchik to the British Army. Chalk and Cheese.

Thirdly, if and when the Cyprus Problem is solved, there is nothing stopping the TCs from having their memorial. They already do in the "trnc" but I don't have to be happy about this.

The British Army however has good Military Covenants and traditions and they are mature enough to just let go. Because they have done so already. They would be willing to honor us in the finest military traditions and that is something the Mehmetchik just won't do. They have done it for others but never will for Greeks or Cypriots.

double standards Paphiti,

so are we only to honour our enemies soldiers that we like?

No DT!

We are still under occupation. The British Army is something entirely different to the Turkish Army even though the British Army did some atrocious things they just do not compare to the Turks.

The wounds are still too raw, and I find it difficult to even consider an Army that raped, pillaged, slaughtered men, women, children, cut off peoples limbs, ethnically cleansed 180,000 people, executed POWs by shooting them in the head in contravention to the Geneva Convention on POWs, as a disciplined Army.

The Japanese in WW11 were similar. Barbaric!

The Turkish Army is not what I would consider an Armed Force. War Criminals spring to mind!

[The Cypriot]

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Already there are many memorials for the fallen Mehmetcik in North Cyprus. You must differentiate between world poletics and the poleticians' toys who are the soldiers. Soldiers have to obey orders on whatever side they are.

So does this mean the raping of Cypriot women in 1974 was done under orders?

They have mothers brothers and sisters and are not pieces of objects.

Nor were the women they raped just objects.

When they die they are nothing more than statistics for those who started the war - but they leave a big gap with their loved ones' lives irrespective of their nationality.

Was the raping of innocent Cypriot women in 1974 done under barbaric orders or was it an act of barbarism by unruly soldiers, that's what I'd like to know. Either way, has anyone been prosecuted for this barbarism and if not why not?