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[Kikapu]

its because the wrong people are at the table. i think with the right people we would have a solution a lot quicker, i think more tcs and gcs are happy to live in a united island rather then split in two rather then rather see no solution... so many of tcs travel to south all the time and get on just fine as gcs who go into the north...

i think the turk main aim is to split the land in two like it always was...

tcs are a minority .. its not such a problem for turks to be a minority in germany or england or america.. or is it because they dont have the power to split them countries in two thats why they stay happy as a minority in them countries?... a minority but not a silent one like going to england and complaining that ur a minority..

tcs and gcs equal rights living under one island.. cyprus is so small why split it in two?

We both see ourselves as indigenous to Cyprus and TCs will never accept becoming just another minority living under the administration of GCs. That's why a BBF is necessary nothing will be as it was, BF with political equality of the 2 founding states. How do yo know the majority of TCs want to live in a unified state under GCs?

There cannot be 2 founding states (virgin birth), because the TC's and the GC's do not have their own states now to bring it to the BBF union. All of Cyprus belongs to all Cypriots, that's why, BBF with 2 Federal states will also belong to all Cypriots equally.!

Who says?

Then show me where these 2 different states are that is solely owned by the TC's and the GC's to become 2 founding states (virgin birth).??

That's the whole idea a new start hence the term virgin birth, 2 new states one GC the other TC forming a BBF with political equality of the 2 new states. get it now?

No, not really.!

So the TC's and the GC's do not have a state of their own where they are the sole owners of said states. What you are saying is, lets just make one state owned by both the Tic’s and the GC's into 2 states to be owned by one of each, and yet everyone can live where ever they want. So the question then comes to mind is, why can't you have the same under one country with 2 Federal states and still be equal owners of both states. Less paperwork and less headache and more land for everyone.!.

[Hermes]

I think the Orams case clarifies what sort of BBF will result. Even Talat recognises that the property aspect of a solution will have to acknowledge the rights of the legal owners as over-riding the "facts on the ground". It means we can't go back to the property provisions of the Annan Plan as they are now discredited. It means that the Turks have realised that negotiations can only take place within the parameters of EU law and that any derogations can only be temporary. It also concentrates the mind of the Turkish side as failure to get a deal exposes them to the risk of further litigation and even greater damages. It also f**ks the unscrupulous Brits who bought stolen land in the north and thought they could get away with it. And will scare people investing in the north. All very satisfying. Overall, it makes a solution more likely while undermining the intransigence of the Turkish position. Couldn't really ask for anything more at this stage. Well done to the Orams and Cherie Blair who have helped the Greek Cypriot cause no end. Your champagne is on its way!

[paliometoxo]

its because the wrong people are at the table. i think with the right people we would have a solution a lot quicker, i think more tcs and gcs are happy to live in a united island rather then split in two rather then rather see no solution... so many of tcs travel to south all the time and get on just fine as gcs who go into the north...

i think the turk main aim is to split the land in two like it always was...

tcs are a minority .. its not such a problem for turks to be a minority in germany or england or america.. or is it because they dont have the power to split them countries in two thats why they stay happy as a minority in them countries?... a minority but not a silent one like going to england and complaining that ur a minority..

tcs and gcs equal rights living under one island.. cyprus is so small why split it in two?

We both see ourselves as indigenous to Cyprus and TCs will never accept becoming just another minority living under the administration of GCs. That's why a BBF is necessary nothing will be as it was, BF with political equality of the 2 founding states. How do yo know the majority of TCs want to live in a unified state under GCs?

if tcs go to another country and dont like to be a minority why go there?

i dont know the majority would rather live under a united island... but if you rather a devided island you may aswell be in turkey if you cant live with the people of an island.. why be there in the first place..

cyprus is so small smaller then london smaller then many cities in england or parts of the us in no way is it a good idea to split what little island there is into two. i think those who cant live with the other side should just go to a country they feel safe and that they can live with the people on the island

I have just as much right to this island as you do why should I go anywhere, there is enough room for everyone and for 2 states to live side by side one administered by TCs and the other by GCs allowing everyone to settle in which ever state they wish. Just as you do not want to live under TC administration I to do not want to be forced to live in a GC state why is this so difficult to understand?

its not difficult to understand but what gives the turks the right to come hundreds of years after gcs have been on the island invade kill people in the thousands and start wars then demand things and demand changes in the island which is NOT theirs.. because they came by force does not give them the right to split the island in two and cause nothing but trouble since they came, if you dont like the administration then why did turks come to cyprus in the first place? because they thought they could use their army and take control??? next you will do the same in england deman they give you your own state because they wont do everything you want? oh thats right you cant do shit about it because england will kill u

[Viewpoint]

its because the wrong people are at the table. i think with the right people we would have a solution a lot quicker, i think more tcs and gcs are happy to live in a united island rather then split in two rather then rather see no solution... so many of tcs travel to south all the time and get on just fine as gcs who go into the north...

i think the turk main aim is to split the land in two like it always was...

tcs are a minority .. its not such a problem for turks to be a minority in germany or england or america.. or is it because they dont have the power to split them countries in two thats why they stay happy as a minority in them countries?... a minority but not a silent one like going to england and complaining that ur a minority..

tcs and gcs equal rights living under one island.. cyprus is so small why split it in two?

We both see ourselves as indigenous to Cyprus and TCs will never accept becoming just another minority living under the administration of GCs. That's why a BBF is necessary nothing will be as it was, BF with political equality of the 2 founding states. How do yo know the majority of TCs want to live in a unified state under GCs?

There cannot be 2 founding states (virgin birth), because the TC's and the GC's do not have their own states now to bring it to the BBF union. All of Cyprus belongs to all Cypriots, that's why, BBF with 2 Federal states will also belong to all Cypriots equally.!

Who says?

Then show me where these 2 different states are that is solely owned by the TC's and the GC's to become 2 founding states (virgin birth).??

That's the whole idea a new start hence the term virgin birth, 2 new states one GC the other TC forming a BBF with political equality of the 2 new states. get it now?

No, not really.!

So the TC's and the GC's do not have a state of their own where they are the sole owners of said states. What you are saying is, lets just make one state owned by both the Tic’s and the GC's into 2 states to be owned by one of each, and yet everyone can live where ever they want. So the question then comes to mind is, why can't you have the same under one country with 2 Federal states and still be equal owners of both states. Less paperwork and less headache and more land for everyone.!.

We dont mind the headache nor paper work and do not demand more land we are happy with what we have.

[Viewpoint]

its because the wrong people are at the table. i think with the right people we would have a solution a lot quicker, i think more tcs and gcs are happy to live in a united island rather then split in two rather then rather see no solution... so many of tcs travel to south all the time and get on just fine as gcs who go into the north...

i think the turk main aim is to split the land in two like it always was...

tcs are a minority .. its not such a problem for turks to be a minority in germany or england or america.. or is it because they dont have the power to split them countries in two thats why they stay happy as a minority in them countries?... a minority but not a silent one like going to england and complaining that ur a minority..

tcs and gcs equal rights living under one island.. cyprus is so small why split it in two?

We both see ourselves as indigenous to Cyprus and TCs will never accept becoming just another minority living under the administration of GCs. That's why a BBF is necessary nothing will be as it was, BF with political equality of the 2 founding states. How do yo know the majority of TCs want to live in a unified state under GCs?

if tcs go to another country and dont like to be a minority why go there?

i dont know the majority would rather live under a united island... but if you rather a devided island you may aswell be in turkey if you cant live with the people of an island.. why be there in the first place..

cyprus is so small smaller then london smaller then many cities in england or parts of the us in no way is it a good idea to split what little island there is into two. i think those who cant live with the other side should just go to a country they feel safe and that they can live with the people on the island

I have just as much right to this island as you do why should I go anywhere, there is enough room for everyone and for 2 states to live side by side one administered by TCs and the other by GCs allowing everyone to settle in which ever state they wish. Just as you do not want to live under TC administration I to do not want to be forced to live in a GC state why is this so difficult to understand?

its not difficult to understand but what gives the turks the right to come hundreds of years after gcs have been on the island invade kill people in the thousands and start wars then demand things and demand changes in the island which is NOT theirs.. because they came by force does not give them the right to split the island in two and cause nothing but trouble since they came, if you dont like the administration then why did turks come to cyprus in the first place? because they thought they could use their army and take control??? next you will do the same in england deman they give you your own state because they wont do everything you want? oh thats right you cant do shit about it because england will kill u

You really need to stop take a deep breath and comprehend that this island is ours as well, there are no we came first so its ours. We TCs have just as much rights as you GCs get it into your head, allow yourself the freedom of brainwashing, you have to negotiate with us because of the right which you foolishly do not want to see.

[Oracle]

Is Viewpoint trying to be more Hellenic with his new avatar?

Good move scummy Turk ... you must have realized your moment in the "Turkish Sun" is over ...

Turncoat ...

[Kikapu]

its because the wrong people are at the table. i think with the right people we would have a solution a lot quicker, i think more tcs and gcs are happy to live in a united island rather then split in two rather then rather see no solution... so many of tcs travel to south all the time and get on just fine as gcs who go into the north...

i think the turk main aim is to split the land in two like it always was...

tcs are a minority .. its not such a problem for turks to be a minority in germany or england or america.. or is it because they dont have the power to split them countries in two thats why they stay happy as a minority in them countries?... a minority but not a silent one like going to england and complaining that ur a minority..

tcs and gcs equal rights living under one island.. cyprus is so small why split it in two?

We both see ourselves as indigenous to Cyprus and TCs will never accept becoming just another minority living under the administration of GCs. That's why a BBF is necessary nothing will be as it was, BF with political equality of the 2 founding states. How do yo know the majority of TCs want to live in a unified state under GCs?

There cannot be 2 founding states (virgin birth), because the TC's and the GC's do not have their own states now to bring it to the BBF union. All of Cyprus belongs to all Cypriots, that's why, BBF with 2 Federal states will also belong to all Cypriots equally.!

Who says?

Then show me where these 2 different states are that is solely owned by the TC's and the GC's to become 2 founding states (virgin birth).??

That's the whole idea a new start hence the term virgin birth, 2 new states one GC the other TC forming a BBF with political equality of the 2 new states. get it now?

No, not really.!

So the TC's and the GC's do not have a state of their own where they are the sole owners of said states. What you are saying is, lets just make one state owned by both the Tic’s and the GC's into 2 states to be owned by one of each, and yet everyone can live where ever they want. So the question then comes to mind is, why can't you have the same under one country with 2 Federal states and still be equal owners of both states. Less paperwork and less headache and more land for everyone.!.

We dont mind the headache nor paper work and do not demand more land we are happy with what we have.

That's my whole point, that you don't have any land that belongs to you exclusively, and I'm not so sure that will ever change.!

[Viewpoint]

its because the wrong people are at the table. i think with the right people we would have a solution a lot quicker, i think more tcs and gcs are happy to live in a united island rather then split in two rather then rather see no solution... so many of tcs travel to south all the time and get on just fine as gcs who go into the north...

i think the turk main aim is to split the land in two like it always was...

tcs are a minority .. its not such a problem for turks to be a minority in germany or england or america.. or is it because they dont have the power to split them countries in two thats why they stay happy as a minority in them countries?... a minority but not a silent one like going to england and complaining that ur a minority..

tcs and gcs equal rights living under one island.. cyprus is so small why split it in two?

We both see ourselves as indigenous to Cyprus and TCs will never accept becoming just another minority living under the administration of GCs. That's why a BBF is necessary nothing will be as it was, BF with political equality of the 2 founding states. How do yo know the majority of TCs want to live in a unified state under GCs?

There cannot be 2 founding states (virgin birth), because the TC's and the GC's do not have their own states now to bring it to the BBF union. All of Cyprus belongs to all Cypriots, that's why, BBF with 2 Federal states will also belong to all Cypriots equally.!

Who says?

Then show me where these 2 different states are that is solely owned by the TC's and the GC's to become 2 founding states (virgin birth).??

That's the whole idea a new start hence the term virgin birth, 2 new states one GC the other TC forming a BBF with political equality of the 2 new states. get it now?

No, not really.!

So the TC's and the GC's do not have a state of their own where they are the sole owners of said states. What you are saying is, lets just make one state owned by both the Tic’s and the GC's into 2 states to be owned by one of each, and yet everyone can live where ever they want. So the question then comes to mind is, why can't you have the same under one country with 2 Federal states and still be equal owners of both states. Less paperwork and less headache and more land for everyone.!.

We dont mind the headache nor paper work and do not demand more land we are happy with what we have.

That's my whole point, that you don't have any land that belongs to you exclusively, and I'm not so sure that will ever change.!

Answer me 2 questions.

1. Do you know the difference between private land ownership and country land ownership?

2. Do the TCs have rights to country ownership via the 1960 constitution?

[Kikapu]

its because the wrong people are at the table. i think with the right people we would have a solution a lot quicker, i think more tcs and gcs are happy to live in a united island rather then split in two rather then rather see no solution... so many of tcs travel to south all the time and get on just fine as gcs who go into the north...

i think the turk main aim is to split the land in two like it always was...

tcs are a minority .. its not such a problem for turks to be a minority in germany or england or america.. or is it because they dont have the power to split them countries in two thats why they stay happy as a minority in them countries?... a minority but not a silent one like going to england and complaining that ur a minority..

tcs and gcs equal rights living under one island.. cyprus is so small why split it in two?

We both see ourselves as indigenous to Cyprus and TCs will never accept becoming just another minority living under the administration of GCs. That's why a BBF is necessary nothing will be as it was, BF with political equality of the 2 founding states. How do yo know the majority of TCs want to live in a unified state under GCs?

There cannot be 2 founding states (virgin birth), because the TC's and the GC's do not have their own states now to bring it to the BBF union. All of Cyprus belongs to all Cypriots, that's why, BBF with 2 Federal states will also belong to all Cypriots equally.!

Who says?

Then show me where these 2 different states are that is solely owned by the TC's and the GC's to become 2 founding states (virgin birth).??

That's the whole idea a new start hence the term virgin birth, 2 new states one GC the other TC forming a BBF with political equality of the 2 new states. get it now?

No, not really.!

So the TC's and the GC's do not have a state of their own where they are the sole owners of said states. What you are saying is, lets just make one state owned by both the Tic’s and the GC's into 2 states to be owned by one of each, and yet everyone can live where ever they want. So the question then comes to mind is, why can't you have the same under one country with 2 Federal states and still be equal owners of both states. Less paperwork and less headache and more land for everyone.!.

We dont mind the headache nor paper work and do not demand more land we are happy with what we have.

That's my whole point, that you don't have any land that belongs to you exclusively, and I'm not so sure that will ever change.!

Answer me 2 questions.

1. Do you know the difference between private land ownership and country land ownership?

Your private land in the RoC may be yours on the deeds, but it still belongs to the country. You can't take it with you to anywhere. The country land is what it is, a country land that belongs to everyone.!

2. Do the TCs have rights to country ownership via the 1960 constitution?

I'm not sure any one individual groups have any specific rights to land that belongs to the country. Again, country land belongs to all citizens, therefore all citizens do own the country, but you cannot take part of it and say this is my share, since everyone else also has a share in the part you want for yourself .

[Viewpoint]

When Hawaii joined the USA did all the private landowners have to be Hawaiian? If as you yourself say the country ownership belongs to the all the people then TCs also have a share of this country, therefore country ownership and private land ownership are 2 different things. GCs can own land in a TC state and vice versa is does not detract from the fact that TCs can use their right in country ownership to say we are unable to make it work together so we agree to divide up our joint ownership. Where in the world has the size of a country been governed by the size of populaiton of private land ownership. If the TC state is 29% for example GCs will still have the right to their private properties and to reside in the Tc state.