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[MrH]

What the Greeks Cypriots clearly appear to forget, time and time again, is that the CYPRUS CONFLICT can only be solved via a POLITICAL MEANS via the UNITED NATIONS. What these pointless court rulings do is complicate the issue, giving the Greek Cypriots false belief, pushes them into prematurely saying "OXI" to another Annan Style plan based on a FEDERAL Formula sitting on Two Founding States, and then crying to the international community NOT to adopt a PARTITION policy - like what almost happened prior to Christofias beating Tassos Papadopoulos to the Presidency.

The ECJ Court ruling will now, THANK GOD, create such a confusing situation with the Cyprus issue that the EU will either have to completely dismiss Turkey's EU application - I don't think so as it'll obviously get the U.S up its Butt - or see the realities. Also, please do not forget that what the Greek Cypriots have now successfully done via the courts, I have no doubt the Turkish Cypriots will do with their former properties in Southern Cyprus - thus, claiming their old land back in Larnaca etc, etc (I'll include Larnaca Airport in a later conversation shall I). We also have the Property rights of the VAKIFLAR, etc, etc, which the Courts will love to sit and read about since 1571!

Ultimately, the new ECJ court ruling will obviously create a CONFLICT, BITTER FEELINGS, thus pushing the EU into a corner they will NOT bother to solve in a Political way; in other words, they will suddenly recognise the TRNC and then blow the entire situation into space, a bit like Kosovo!!

However, what's even more fascinating is how much the Greek Cypriots actually believe they will trick the British into following the ECJ court judgement. The British Judicial system is entirely different from that of the EU. Their views, INTERNAL/National Political constraints and priorities differ greatly, let alone their support for Turkey's EU entry.

Look at it this way, if Britain were to ever agree to such a court ruling, you know it wouldn't be to the benefit of the Greek Cypriots. But, as we all know how short-sighted the Greek Cypriots are, I won't give anything away at this stage.........This court ruling is a process the Turkish Cypriots, Turkey and Britain have been preparing for some time now, please don't patronise me by viewing this court ruling as a SUDDEN, SHOCKING Success. Any Greek Cypriot Barrister trained in the UK can tell you that.

The only advice I would recommend at the moment is to OPEN YOUR Mind, look at the bigger picture my Greek Cypriot compatriots and embrace your bigger brother - The Republic of Turkey.

[YFred]

What a load of mattocks Mrs H.

The ECJ judgement is a massive blow to the Partionist, Land Stealing, Wet Dreamers. These few xerocephalic plonkers don't seem to get it.

The ECJ has, as a by-product of it's judgement, given Pres X another trump card in the "talks" for a strong central government Unitary State.

To my knowledge, one of the meanings of by product is crap, Billuga!

It's your knowledge that's crep mate.

(Ra Fredericou, aman se tho, tha mbixo din kella sou mes don abobatto)

Top class old boy, were you at Sandhurst too?
Enna su do kopso ge na se gamo durkallon san don karasakallin re big girls blouse or girdle or whatever!.

[GeorgeV97qaue]

MrH you do not have a clue do you. What this ruling does is basicly stops you theives from getting your two state solution. The GC's will get their land back.

AS for TC's getting their land back. All you have to do is move to the South for a certain period of time and then hey presto you get your land back. Remember we are not the theives you are.

You dont know what your talking about. I suggest you stop reading the Turkish versions of what the situation is in Cyprus and read the truth then you may get a true understanding of what is actually going on.

Are you VP and Zan all on something?

[Hermes]

Pride and glory

Philippos Stylianou

The Court of Justice of the European Communities (ECJ) is the most prestigious body of the European Union. It is what holds the latter together. Without it, European integration would not have been the success story it is today. Its job is to iron out through an intricate jurisdiction all the differences that arise in the interpretation of the acquis, the treaties and laws on which the EU is based.

It is unthinkable for any EU government or institution to question a decision of the Court, let alone to refuse to enforce it. Its case law provides a legal corpus unparalleled anywhere else in the world. The ECJ is the pride and the glory of the EU.

In its ruling on the Orams case last week, this Court fully adopted Cyprus national legislation as follows: “…The real property rights relating to those areas of the Republic of Cyprus in which the Government of that Member State does not exercise effective control, subsist and remain valid in spite of the invasion of Cypriot territory in 1974 by the Turkish army and the ensuing military occupation of part of Cyprus.”

It is an auspicious coincidence that on the fifth anniversary of admitting Cyprus among its members, the EU through its unique judicial body has defined the true nature of the Cyprus problem in no uncertain terms as one of foreign military invasion and occupation, naming the invader and occupier.

Having been described as complex and intractable for 35 years, the Cyprus problem is suddenly made simple. The people who were forcibly expelled from their ancestral homes and properties are still their legitimate masters despite the continuing presence of the Turkish army of occupation.

So, what happens now that the problem is legally settled? They are already telling us that it is yet to be settled politically as well, and the two don’t necessarily have to go hand in hand. But after the Orams decision, if they don’t, the refugees can go back to the EU Court and have the solution overturned!

So they are also telling us that the political solution must become primary law of the EU and part of the acquis that cannot be changed even by the EU Court. The terminology already used for this by the EU Commission is “squaring the circle.” Find any agreement, they say, and we shall fit it into the EU for eternity.

This means that for us chosen few the property rights, which are of the most sacred in the EU, would be forsaken for ever; among 450 million Europeans we alone must accept to live for ever with a legalised illegality.

Must we? Of course not! All we have to do is make it clear to our government that it has no mandate to bring before the people a solution compromising the rights won by Meletis Apostolides at the European Court. If it does, we shall throw it out at the referendum and Christofias will be to blame.

As for the EU Commission, which is supposed to be the champion of European principles but for unexplained reasons does not want them to apply to its Cypriot citizens, there is only one thing to say: read again Protocol 10, quoted in full in the ECJ Orams judgment, where it is clearly stated: “…The European Union is ready to accommodate the terms of such [Cyprus] settlement in line with the principles on which the EU is founded.” Square that if you can …

Hope that clears a few things up.

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[The Cypriot]

What the Greeks Cypriots clearly appear to forget, time and time again, is that the CYPRUS CONFLICT can only be solved via a POLITICAL MEANS via the UNITED NATIONS.

You may repeat this mantra as many times as you wish but it ain't necessarily so. The solution must be BY Cypriots FOR Cypriots. It will not be a UN solution. And quit talking about Greek Cypriots. Talk about Cypriots living in the part of the island not under the control of a foreign military. As it's a fairer reflection of their position; as human beings.

What these pointless court rulings do is complicate the issue, giving the Greek Cypriots false belief,

Complicated the issue for Turkey perhaps. But Cypriots, after 35 years, are under no false illusions as to who they're dealing with, make no mistake.

The ECJ Court ruling will now, THANK GOD, create such a confusing situation with the Cyprus issue that the EU will either have to completely dismiss Turkey's EU application - I don't think so as it'll obviously get the U.S up its Butt

The US has no say in EU matters. Indeed the more she interferes, the more it gets EU states such as Germany and France backs up.

- or see the realities.

The reality is that Cyprus, as a whole, is inside the EU with the law suspended in the north pending the removal of Turkey's army, which prevents EU law from being applied.

Also, please do not forget that what the Greek Cypriots have now successfully done via the courts, I have no doubt the Turkish Cypriots will do with their former properties in Southern Cyprus - thus, claiming their old land back in Larnaca etc, etc (I'll include Larnaca Airport in a later conversation shall I). We also have the Property rights of the VAKIFLAR, etc, etc, which the Courts will love to sit and read about since 1571!

Cypriots who have legal rights to property they are unable to enjoy should claim away.

Ultimately, the new ECJ court ruling will obviously create a CONFLICT, BITTER FEELINGS, thus pushing the EU into a corner they will NOT bother to solve in a Political way; in other words, they will suddenly recognise the TRNC and then blow the entire situation into space, a bit like Kosovo!!

This is just nonsense. There is no chance of this happening.

However, what's even more fascinating is how much the Greek Cypriots actually believe they will trick the British into following the ECJ court judgement. The British Judicial system is entirely different from that of the EU.

Mr H. You are so out of touch about legal matters in Britain and the EU.

Their views, INTERNAL/National Political constraints and priorities differ greatly, let alone their support for Turkey's EU entry.

Britain has no choice but dance to the EU tune... the same with Turkey, if she's serious about entering.

Look at it this way, if Britain were to ever agree to such a court ruling, you know it wouldn't be to the benefit of the Greek Cypriots.

It will be to the benefit of human beings who were forceably expelled from their land in 1974 by a foreign army.

But, as we all know how short-sighted the Greek Cypriots are, I won't give anything away at this stage.........

35 years patiently waiting for justice is a long time to be short-sighted.

This court ruling is a process the Turkish Cypriots, Turkey and Britain have been preparing for some time now, please don't patronise me by viewing this court ruling as a SUDDEN, SHOCKING Success. Any Greek Cypriot Barrister trained in the UK can tell you that.

The only advice I would recommend at the moment is to OPEN YOUR Mind, look at the bigger picture my Greek Cypriot compatriots and embrace your bigger brother - The Republic of Turkey.

You seem to have been totally smothered by her embrace, which has totally CLOSED your mind, so no thanks. What we might do, one day, is shake hands with Turkey, as regional/EU partners.

But there's quite a bit of humble pie to be eaten first; let's hope, for Turkey's sake, she has the appetite.