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Would Turkey ever sell out the TCs?

Postby james_mav » Tue May 05, 2009 12:10 pm

I occasionally read Stratfor, which although apolitical, is quite bullish on the likelihood of Turkey evolving into a regional power, based primarily on her geo-strategic position. In this analysis, the position is taken that Turkey's ongoing occupation of Cyprus and support for the TC regime is becoming a burden to Turkey, and suggests that Turkey might sell out the TCs in order to just put the whole thing behind her.

Cyprus: Post-Election Tensions and Turkey's Position

Summary

The election of a new prime minister for Turkish Cyprus will complicate reunification talks between the island’s Greek and Turkish sides. That complication could in turn cause a snag in Turkey’s plans to join the European Union and claim its status as a regional power.

Analysis

Greek Cypriot President Demetris Christofias and Turkish Cypriot President Mehmet Ali Talat met April 21 and pledged their commitment to continuing with reunification negotiations. The two leaders have met 26 times thus far in the negotiation process, which began in September 2008 and is meant to lead to the reunification of the Turkish and Greek sides of the eastern Mediterranean island. The April 21 meeting was the first the two presidents have held since Talat’s Republican Turkish Party lost to the right-wing National Unity Party, led by former Prime Minister Dervis Eroglu, in parliamentary elections April 19.

Eroglu’s election victory complicates the reunification talks. The small island with a population of just over 1 million people is divided along the 1974 armistice “Green Line” that runs straight through the capital of Nicosia. The impoverished Turkish political entity is in the north, and the financially well-off (due to tourism and banking) Greek side — which is also an EU member — is in the south. For the Turkish north, the main concern has thus far been retaining a separate political identity from the Greek south, while the Greek Cypriots demand nothing short of a complete unification that would afford their more populous entity firm political control over the country.

The two sides were slowly working toward an agreement following July 2008 concessions by Talat to the Greek Cypriot demands of single citizenship and a single political entity for the entire island. Eroglu’s election as prime minister is now calling those concessions into question; the right-wing politician stated April 20 that his position on the question of sovereignty has not changed: “There are two peoples, two states and two democracies on the island of Cyprus. We support any settlement … within this framework.” While Talat remains in charge of the negotiation process, the incoming prime minister has said he wants to send his own envoy to the negotiations from now on.

Meanwhile Ankara, the traditional ally of the Turkish Cypriot side, is concerned that any snag in the reunification process in Cyprus could throw a wrench into its accession talks with the EU and into its plan to rise as a regional power. Cyprus is simply an issue Turkey would rather see disappear. It might have been a key piece of the rivalry between Ankara and Athens in the 1970s and 1980s, but the increasingly powerful and active Turkey sees it as a nuisance and a vestige of a less ambitious foreign policy.

Turkey intervened militarily in 1974 on behalf of the Turkish north in order to prevent a coup d’etat by the Greek Cypriots, whom Ankara feared would seek to unify the island with mainland Greece, thus giving the rival Athens a substantial piece of real estate in the eastern Mediterranean. Since then, the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (recognized only by Ankara) has survived on handouts and military protection from mainland Turkey. Invading Cyprus was an important countermove to a potential Greek challenge in 1974 but, 35 years later — as Turkey’s ambitions are much greater than mere competition with Athens — Turkey would rather forget the island exists.

Ankara is in the middle of complicated geopolitical maneuvering. It is resurging, becoming a more dominant regional player in the Middle East — where the United States seeks its support to resolve various regional conflagrations — and in the Caucasus. In the Caucasus, Ankara has been looking to normalize its relationship with Armenia in order to become more involved in the entire region, but has to tread carefully in order not to go too far and irk Russia. Meanwhile, Ankara is also looking to continue negotiations with Europe but is taking a much more firm stance on the EU accession process. With U.S. backing, Turkey is making a case that Europe needs it more than it needs Europe and that the negotiations for EU accession need to reflect that Turkey is not a second-rate power, but an equal partner in the negotiation process. This is complicated by the fact that Europeans are wary of Turkish membership, particularly the EU powerhouses Germany and France.

However, if the Cypriot negotiations stall, much of the blame (whether deservedly or not) will fall on Anakara’s shoulders. European powers like Germany and France can use a Turkish “failure” to resolve the Cypriot issue as proof that Ankara is not ready for the EU club. For much of his previous stints as prime minister, Eroglu was seen as a strong Turkish ally, which means that Ankara will be again expected to force him to fall in line. However, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and his Justice and Development Party (AKP) do not have the same close ties to Eroglu that previous Turkish governments (and the Turkish military in particular) had. In fact Erdogan and Eroglu see eye to eye on very few things. Erdogan has already given Eroglu a warning, stating, “It would be very wrong for the new government to end the negotiations or to continue the negotiations on a basis different then the one that has been followed so far. … The process must continue exactly as before.”

But words may not be enough to force the new Turkish Cypriot prime minister to change his stance, particularly if he finds support in the opposition to Erdogan and the AKP in Turkey proper — especially among the ultra-secularists. Particularly damning will be a perception that Erdogan is hanging fellow Turks out to dry in exchange for membership in the EU, where Turkey is not welcome anyway.


(emphasis mine)

http://www.stratfor.com/memberships/136409/analysis/20090421_cyprus_post_election_tensions_and_turkeys_position
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Postby yiannisP » Tue May 05, 2009 12:20 pm

and suggests that Turkey might sell out the TCs in order to just put the whole thing behind her.

It's interesting that you view this as a 'selling out' and not the development of a just solution.
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Postby erolz3 » Tue May 05, 2009 12:26 pm

Personally I do not think the question is would Turkey ever sell out the TC.

I think the more realistic question is could the current Turkish government, given the current internal battle going on in Turkey between this government and conservative forces of the deep state in Turkey, sell out cyprus without putting at risk its own ability to survive as the ruling party in Turkey.

In short I personaly am of the view that even if the AK Party in Turkey wanted to sell out TC, they currently do not have the 'room' to do so. If they were to do so it would give too much power and excuse to the forces of the deep state in Turkey to topple them via one means or another. Maybe in time they will be able to consolidate their power internaly to such a degree that they could pursue such a policy without such concerns but I personaly do not think they are at this point yet.
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Postby AWE » Tue May 05, 2009 12:28 pm

in short YES. Just depends what the price is. Full EU membership at present maybe, privileged partnership maybe not.
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Postby halil » Tue May 05, 2009 12:30 pm

Never !

first of all to make conclusion u must very well know what Turkish Public in Turkey thinks about Cyprus is very important .

as a person my self frequent visiting the Turkey , i got a impression as a TC's .... Turkey will not ever sell out the TC's . U can get this filling from the people when they speaks with u about Cyprus and about Cyprus problem .
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Postby james_mav » Tue May 05, 2009 12:35 pm

yiannisP wrote:
and suggests that Turkey might sell out the TCs in order to just put the whole thing behind her.

It's interesting that you view this as a 'selling out' and not the development of a just solution.

My apologies - I too was trying to take a neutral and apolitical tone regarding the article. "Selling out" is how it would be viewed from the Turkish side, both by the TC's and by domestic political opponents of the Turkish government. I need no education or instruction as to the injustice of either the present situation or of some of the "solutions" previously put forward.

In any case, being the cynic that I am, I don't view a solution as being developed with principles of fairness, justice, and equity in mind. I believe that any solution (or a continuation of the status quo) will reflect wider political, economic, legal, and military realities. For example, Turkey being ordered by the ECHR and the ECJ to pay billions of dollars in damages to refugees, or being told publicly to "go look in the mirror" by the Israeli government when criticising Israel's actions in its own brutally occupied territories, is what may cause Turkey to sacrifice some of it's lesser interests (the TCs) for its greater ones.
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Postby james_mav » Tue May 05, 2009 12:39 pm

erolz3 wrote:Personally I do not think the question is would Turkey ever sell out the TC.

I think the more realistic question is could the current Turkish government, given the current internal battle going on in Turkey between this government and conservative forces of the deep state in Turkey, sell out cyprus without putting at risk its own ability to survive as the ruling party in Turkey.

In short I personaly am of the view that even if the AK Party in Turkey wanted to sell out TC, they currently do not have the 'room' to do so. If they were to do so it would give too much power and excuse to the forces of the deep state in Turkey to topple them via one means or another. Maybe in time they will be able to consolidate their power internaly to such a degree that they could pursue such a policy without such concerns but I personaly do not think they are at this point yet.

It sounds like you are saying that the AKP would sell the TCs out, but they can't do it at the moment because they are not politically strong enough...?
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Postby Sotos » Tue May 05, 2009 1:08 pm

How you define the interests of a country? What is most important to have educated people with high standards of living or to have a victorious army which oppresses other countries? For the Turks the most important is the second. Unless they start to care more about the well being of Turks and TCs instead of how many victories their army can make nothing will change in their policy.
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Postby Hermes » Tue May 05, 2009 2:37 pm

No doubt the Turks can sell a withdrawal from Cyprus as a great victory. Just like they sold a brutal invasion and occupation as a "peace operation". As long as they leave the island, I frankly don't care how they choose to explain it for domestic consumption. Maybe they should just come clean and tell it like it is: another bloody stain in Turkey's history. Getting out of Cyprus is a moral imperative. It "sells out" nobody, least of all the Turkish Cypriots who have been marginalised, corrupted and led into economic ruin and international isolation.
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Re: Would Turkey ever sell out the TCs?

Postby Get Real! » Tue May 05, 2009 2:37 pm

james_mav wrote:I occasionally read Stratfor, which although apolitical, is quite bullish on the likelihood of Turkey evolving into a regional power, based primarily on her geo-strategic position.

Since when has ANY country in contemporary times become a "regional power" as a result of its geographic location? :roll:

There’s only ONE factor that determines “power” and that is MONEY regardless of where a country is located in the world.

Money will buy you the necessary aircraft carriers, submarines, space technology, and even pay for bases on other people’s territory, to extend your reach.
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