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[yialousa1971]

Atheists are so small minded. Theres been a couple of good programs on the discovery channel about the Turin Shroud. Seems the so called Scientists may have gotten it wrong and taken samples from repairs that where done later, using cotten.

The carbon dating was accurate, but invalid, since they ended up testing a medieval cotton repair dyed to look like the cloth, instead of the cloth itself.

[Novus]

If the universe was created by something, then explain why you think it was just one god, or a cognizant being, or a being at all. If you cannot answer those very basic questions, then STFU about atheists.

Reversing the question is not an answer to the thread’s question.

YOu don't get to set the criteria when the question is moot to begin with.
If there is a and only one god, then something must have either created it, or it always was. The same logic can be used for the universe that it either was created, or it was always there. Just because the universe exists there is no evidence or reason to think an intelligent being or a thinking force created it so therefore there is nothing to argue against or explain away becuase you cannot prove your assertion one iota other than to use a circular logic.
The answer is that you can neither prove nor disprove the existence of god, multiple gods, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Karma, or any kind of spiritual force.
Because existence or lack thereof can not be proven either way, there is only speculation on both sides. The atheists cannot prove a non-existence just the same that the religious cannot prove a godly existence.

Me, I am an atheist not because I ever concluded there is no god, I just trust the most likely possibility and discount the absurd or most unlikely. Since taking the logic to the extreme conclusion I do not know for sure if I truly exist and am not just imagining this world exists or imagining my existence in the corporal sense, I could be the creator of the universe and therefore I AM GOD....but since we all know that is highly unlikely we can dismiss that as absurd. Now if someone wants to use the logic that a god exists just because it is unprovable he doesn't, I say the same about me being the one true god because I imagined this world into existence is just as likely which we know that possibility is absurd to assume is real, so therefore I dismiss the possibility of the existence of there being gods as being as unlikely of me being the one and only god, creator of the universe.

NOw where did the universe come from scientifically? It is probably just a side effect of another dimension like the Fourth Dimension. Now one will ask where did the other dimensions come from? Well since dimensions go beyond time it is possible the dimensions our universe is an aspect of formed themselves in a sort of mathmateical fluke. There need not be a cognizant being that "created" them, they may just have formed on their own.
There is no reason to think that a being designed jack shit, so therefore the onus is on you to prove the existence of a god FIRST before you can say the atheists are wrong or that they should not speak their minds.

[Get Real!]

This thread is an opportunity for all atheists out there, to convince the rest of us that the presence of the universe can be scientifically explained so that we may see the light too! Hence the question of the thread…

“If God doesn’t exist, then how do you explain the presence of the universe?

NB: You cannot start your theory with an imaginary “big bang” unless you’re prepared to explain how and why this “bang” was triggered. For example, if this “bang” was a release of mechanical, chemical, or nuclear energy, then you must be able to explain WHERE the necessary elements came from, and WHAT triggered this ignition.”

Now… given the atheists’ staunch support of a scientific explanation and concurrent dismissal of a creator, I would’ve thought that the atheists had done their investigation of all relevant scientific research PRIOR to jumping on the early-21st century’s primitive cosmological science bandwagon but it seems like I was wrong!

Now, those of you who want to reverse the question and query the existence of a God should start a dedicated thread on the subject because this thread is EXCLUSIVELY RESERVED for atheists’ theories, which so far have been NON-EXISTENT!

Thank you.

[Novus]

YOur question was answered.
The universe may have come from another dimension or is a side effect of the other dimension and since the dimension of time, the Fourth demension, theoretically does not have to follow a linear time path, existence could have always existed and may not have been formed or created.
There is nothing to suggest that even if the other dimensions had a beginning that there is any reason to think the Flying Spaghetti Monster or other mythical spirit had anything to do with it. So since your question is flawed it is a red herring simply to try and make your claim seem if it has an ounce of merit:

If you cannot explain the presence of the universe, then you’d be well advised to tone down your atheism until you are better informed.

So STFU about atheists because your statement is bogus. There is no expalanation you will accept, there is no explanation of the universe needed because lack of an explanation is simply NOT proof there is a Flying Spaghetti Monster or a CHristian god, and you will continue to be ignorant about the atheist's poisition.

[Get Real!]

YOur question was answered.
The universe may have come from another dimension or is a side effect of the other dimension and since the dimension of time, the Fourth demension, theoretically does not have to follow a linear time path, existence could have always existed and may not have been formed or created.
There is nothing to suggest that even if the other dimensions had a beginning that there is any reason to think the Flying Spaghetti Monster or other mythical spirit had anything to do with it. So since your question is flawed it is a red herring simply to try and make your claim seem if it has an ounce of merit:

Had the thread asked…

“Post your kindergarten fantasy as to how the Universe MIGHT have come about”

…then your stupid story would’ve been brilliant but alas, it's asking for a SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATION!!! Can't you read?

In other words, an intelligible account of how and why, supported by evidence not green horses!

Next idiot please...

[Novus]

YOur question was answered.
The universe may have come from another dimension or is a side effect of the other dimension and since the dimension of time, the Fourth demension, theoretically does not have to follow a linear time path, existence could have always existed and may not have been formed or created.
There is nothing to suggest that even if the other dimensions had a beginning that there is any reason to think the Flying Spaghetti Monster or other mythical spirit had anything to do with it. So since your question is flawed it is a red herring simply to try and make your claim seem if it has an ounce of merit:

Had the thread asked…

“Post your kindergarten fantasy as to how the Universe MIGHT have come about”

…then your stupid story would’ve been brilliant but alas, it's asking for a SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATION!!! Can't you read?

In other words, an intelligible account of how and why, supported by evidence not green horses!

Next idiot please...

The difference between faith and science is that religion makes a claim that something is fact and one has to prove it wrong or else it must be treated as a fact, but science says nothing is fact until it is proven. Even when proven beyond most doubt, there is still room for doubt in case there is new proof that comes along disproving the general theory. The theory of gravity may be revised someday for instnance because science allows for such a possible alteration or change in how gravity is viewed.
For this reason you are asking for something that science will not give, you are asking for something that cannot be proven with today's science beyond all doubt and any scientific theory offered you will claim it is not prof enough.
The thing is that the atheist is not an atheist because they can prove the alternate origin to the universe, or that they can prove there is no god, they just need to show that there is no proof, evidence or rational reason to believe gods created the universe or that they exist to have a strong position, so they have every right to be as toned up about their atheism as they want and you are the one who should consider keeping quiet because you are making a fool of yourself.

The origin of the universe is laid out in possible theories with some scientific basis for them, but they are not facts and they are not proven at this point and may never be proven. One theory is born out of the String theory for instance http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1270726.stm

But like I keep saying, not knowing the origin of the universe has nothing to do with disproving atheists or weakenning their philosophical position because atheism is based on a lack of evidence of a god, not "lack of a lack of" no evidence of a god or gods as how you are trying to make it. YOur statement about atheists is false so like I keep saying, STFU about atheists because you are clueless and it is you who is ill informed.

[umit07]

This one’s for Bananiot who will hopefully apply his quantum mechanics theories to enlighten us…

Bananiot, if the speed of light (which is around 1.08 billion km p/h) is the fastest speed attainable, then what’s the probability that future mankind will be traversing the Universe given that… to travel just from one end of our Galaxy (the Milky Way) to the other at the speed of light, one would need 100,000 Earth years?

Does God exist?, I reckon we will never know. Some may believe while others do not, but what I find disturbing in this thread is that some forum members attack one's belief, making it sound as if it is "stupid" to even think that a God exists.

[Get Real!]

For this reason you are asking for something that science will not give, you are asking for something that cannot be proven with today's science beyond all doubt...

If you cannot prove anything why are you wasting my time?

The thing is that the atheist is not an atheist because they can prove the alternate origin to the universe, or that they can prove there is no god, they just need to show that there is no proof, evidence or rational reason to believe gods created the universe or that they exist to have a strong position, so they have every right to be as toned up about their atheism as they want and you are the one who should consider keeping quiet because you are making a fool of yourself.

What on earth are you mumbling about? Were you asked to define an atheist in this thread, because I'm not the slightest bit interested in your eulogy...

The origin of the universe is laid out in possible theories with some scientific basis for them, but they are not facts and they are not proven at this point and may never be proven. One theory is born out of the String theory for instance http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1270726.stm

Right, so the "Big Splat" preceded the “Big Bang” eh? Well, have you ever considered that you can combine these two fine theories into the BIG FART?

Tell me something, do you atheists have a competition going to see who can come up with the most ridiculous fantasies?

...because atheism is based on a lack of evidence of a god,

The Universe is the BIGGEST TANGIBLE ENTITY shoved right in your FACE… yet you haven’t got a clue how it came about, and you want to claim here that you’ve disproved the existence of an infinite being?

Let’s talk about your IQ…

[miltiades]

Lets talk about YOUR IQ GR , still believing in Father Xmas !!!
So HE picked up some earth spat on it mixed well and made MAN , of course the ignoramus who wrote these mythologies believed in the creator just as you do !!
Did HE create all the imperfections too , Siamese twins , deformed babies , tsunamis , earthquakes etc or he just created the nice things the trees the flowers the birds and the bees , maybe the mobile phones too , how about the flying objects , you know the aircraft that now and again crush , did HE create those too , no I forgot HE created man's brain that discovered so much that is good for the world and also some that are not so good , atomic weapons for one. What a shame HE didn'd give the WEST the oil gave it to the bloody Arabs instead !!!
Yes the Creator created GR to his own image full of air !!

[Get Real!]

Lets talk about YOUR IQ GR , still believing in Father Xmas !!!
So HE picked up some earth spat on it mixed well and made MAN , of course the ignoramus who wrote these mythologies believed in the creator just as you do !!
Did HE create all the imperfections too , Siamese twins , deformed babies , tsunamis , earthquakes etc or he just created the nice things the trees the flowers the birds and the bees , maybe the mobile phones too , how about the flying objects , you know the aircraft that now and again crush , did HE create those too , no I forgot HE created man's brain that discovered so much that is good for the world and also some that are not so good , atomic weapons for one. What a shame HE didn'd give the WEST the oil gave it to the bloody Arabs instead !!!
Yes the Creator created GR to his own image full of air !!

Next idiot please…