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Postby Oracle » Tue May 05, 2009 11:39 pm

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Oracle wrote:Have you read any of his stuff on ATCA? :shock:


:shock: If he an ATCA member that would explain a lot! Is this the ATCA forum http://www.atcanews.org/index.php?optio ... &Itemid=55 It looks like a comments system :?


Erm ... I thought Erol was the Admin on ATCA ... GR! knows.
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Postby Sotos » Tue May 05, 2009 11:41 pm

DT. wrote:
polis wrote:
Sotos wrote:
polis wrote:
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erolz3 wrote:In short my approach is not a 'legalistic' one but a 'humanistic' one that seeks to solve a very complex situation whilst minimising the harm done to indivduals as much as is possible in such a senario.


The complex situation being that living in someone else's property doesn't make the property yours unless, a. you never paid rent for the property, b. the owner has either being murdered or ethnically cleansed, and c. you don't think that the owner will ever be able to evict you. Attila the Hun Code, Volume II, Article 125.


I think erolz3 is using Greek Cypriot property in the north. I asked him about it and he avoided answering. And I think that if he has any property in the south it is too little compared to what they gave him in the north. Think about it and then you will understand why he talks in this way! He is like all those British who bought GC land in the north. He is trying to find ways to avoid legality and keep what he took from us and give us much less than what our property worth.


I think he's just torn between being a Turk (ie supporting the "turkish cause") and being civilized.


Maybe. But I got the impression that there is something personal for him in this also.


I think being Turkish is personal enough for him.


Its good to have someone of TC background who debates back by using arguments and not insults. DO you prefer Eric Dayi and runaway?


What arguments? Telling us that he knows better than the ECHR about what is humane? You find this argument better than the runaway arguments? :?
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Postby Get Real! » Tue May 05, 2009 11:41 pm

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Oracle wrote:Have you read any of his stuff on ATCA? :shock:


:shock: If he an ATCA member that would explain a lot! Is this the ATCA forum http://www.atcanews.org/index.php?optio ... &Itemid=55 It looks like a comments system :?


Erm ... I thought Erol was the Admin on ATCA ... GR! knows.

:lol: No, the ATCA admin is another member here who went by the alias... "??????????Turk" (memory dead!)
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Postby DT. » Tue May 05, 2009 11:42 pm

Sotos wrote:
DT. wrote:
polis wrote:
Sotos wrote:
polis wrote:
Sotos wrote:
polis wrote:
erolz3 wrote:In short my approach is not a 'legalistic' one but a 'humanistic' one that seeks to solve a very complex situation whilst minimising the harm done to indivduals as much as is possible in such a senario.


The complex situation being that living in someone else's property doesn't make the property yours unless, a. you never paid rent for the property, b. the owner has either being murdered or ethnically cleansed, and c. you don't think that the owner will ever be able to evict you. Attila the Hun Code, Volume II, Article 125.


I think erolz3 is using Greek Cypriot property in the north. I asked him about it and he avoided answering. And I think that if he has any property in the south it is too little compared to what they gave him in the north. Think about it and then you will understand why he talks in this way! He is like all those British who bought GC land in the north. He is trying to find ways to avoid legality and keep what he took from us and give us much less than what our property worth.


I think he's just torn between being a Turk (ie supporting the "turkish cause") and being civilized.


Maybe. But I got the impression that there is something personal for him in this also.


I think being Turkish is personal enough for him.


Its good to have someone of TC background who debates back by using arguments and not insults. DO you prefer Eric Dayi and runaway?


What arguments? Telling us that he knows better than the ECHR about what is humane? You find this argument better than the runaway arguments? :?


Its much easier to argue with someone who quotes an ECHR argument to back his case up than someone who says F*** You Greeks every time you get him in a tight spot.
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Postby insan » Tue May 05, 2009 11:43 pm

polis wrote:
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Sotos wrote:
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Thats an interview with Metin Hakkı not with A Lordos.


I thought Metin Hakkı was the interviewer. :shock:


Wait a second! Either VP or Insan can't read Turkish! So who is the fake Turk? :shock:


Fake Turks my foot. Let me see them fake being anything else.



Full of hatred and prejudice towards Turks, eh? Welcome to ur hell then. :lol:


Not really actually. Wouldn't have bothered you any more I'd bother with a Somalian or an Iraqi, had you not been occupying my back yard.


Same old galimatias. The so-called occupation that EOKA-B and desire of majority rules caused.
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Postby polis » Tue May 05, 2009 11:45 pm

insan wrote:
polis wrote:
insan wrote:
polis wrote:
Sotos wrote:
insan wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:


Thats an interview with Metin Hakkı not with A Lordos.


I thought Metin Hakkı was the interviewer. :shock:


Wait a second! Either VP or Insan can't read Turkish! So who is the fake Turk? :shock:


Fake Turks my foot. Let me see them fake being anything else.



Full of hatred and prejudice towards Turks, eh? Welcome to ur hell then. :lol:


Not really actually. Wouldn't have bothered you any more I'd bother with a Somalian or an Iraqi, had you not been occupying my back yard.


Same old galimatias. The so-called occupation that EOKA-B and desire of majority rules caused.


Whatever. Still I would not have bothered with you any more I'd bother with a Somalian or an Iraqi, had you not been occupying my back yard.
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Postby insan » Tue May 05, 2009 11:47 pm

polis wrote:
insan wrote:
polis wrote:
insan wrote:
polis wrote:
Sotos wrote:
insan wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:


Thats an interview with Metin Hakkı not with A Lordos.


I thought Metin Hakkı was the interviewer. :shock:


Wait a second! Either VP or Insan can't read Turkish! So who is the fake Turk? :shock:


Fake Turks my foot. Let me see them fake being anything else.



Full of hatred and prejudice towards Turks, eh? Welcome to ur hell then. :lol:


Not really actually. Wouldn't have bothered you any more I'd bother with a Somalian or an Iraqi, had you not been occupying my back yard.


Same old galimatias. The so-called occupation that EOKA-B and desire of majority rules caused.


Whatever. Still I would not have bothered with you any more I'd bother with a Somalian or an Iraqi, had you not been occupying my back yard.

GO! GO! GO! GO! FIRE IN DA HOLEEEEE!!!!! :lol:
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Postby erolz3 » Tue May 05, 2009 11:47 pm

polis wrote:The complex situation being that living in someone else's property doesn't make the property yours unless, a. you never paid rent for the property, b. the owner has either being murdered or ethnically cleansed, and c. you don't think that the owner will ever be able to evict you. Attila the Hun Code, Volume II, Article 125.


The complex situations is WHY today there are TC using land that was GC pre to 74 in the North and GC using land that was TC in the South pre 74.

I realise that for you the 'why' we are in this situation today is answered by the response 'because TC and Turks are barbaric greedy murdering thieves and gc are pure innocents who have done nothing at all to cause the situation in Cyprus as it exits today'. However the reality of why we ended up in the situation we are in today is in fact a lot more complex than this.

As I have said before childish approaches along the lines of 'my side is totaly innocent and your side is totaly guilty' will get us no where.

Both sides have played their parts in creating the conditions that have led us to where we are today, including us having people on both sides that are currently using property that before 74 was owned and controlled by someone else. I think a settlement should seek to rectify this situation in ways that cause the minimum additional new harm to all of use as is possible.

Giving a property comnission the power to rule that in given indivdual cases under pre agreed criteria they can place current users rights over those of pre 74 owners is no more denying the rights of indivduals than agreeing that the state can under specific conditions and after paying proper compensation compulsary purchase land from private indivduals against their wishes for a greater good.
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Postby polis » Tue May 05, 2009 11:49 pm

insan wrote:
Whatever. Still I would not have bothered with you any more I'd bother with a Somalian or an Iraqi, had you not been occupying my back yard.

GO! GO! GO! GO! FIRE IN DA HOLEEEEE!!!!! :lol:


So then, you like being a clown?
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Postby Sotos » Tue May 05, 2009 11:51 pm

DT. wrote:
Sotos wrote:
DT. wrote:
polis wrote:
Sotos wrote:
polis wrote:
Sotos wrote:
polis wrote:
erolz3 wrote:In short my approach is not a 'legalistic' one but a 'humanistic' one that seeks to solve a very complex situation whilst minimising the harm done to indivduals as much as is possible in such a senario.


The complex situation being that living in someone else's property doesn't make the property yours unless, a. you never paid rent for the property, b. the owner has either being murdered or ethnically cleansed, and c. you don't think that the owner will ever be able to evict you. Attila the Hun Code, Volume II, Article 125.


I think erolz3 is using Greek Cypriot property in the north. I asked him about it and he avoided answering. And I think that if he has any property in the south it is too little compared to what they gave him in the north. Think about it and then you will understand why he talks in this way! He is like all those British who bought GC land in the north. He is trying to find ways to avoid legality and keep what he took from us and give us much less than what our property worth.


I think he's just torn between being a Turk (ie supporting the "turkish cause") and being civilized.


Maybe. But I got the impression that there is something personal for him in this also.


I think being Turkish is personal enough for him.


Its good to have someone of TC background who debates back by using arguments and not insults. DO you prefer Eric Dayi and runaway?


What arguments? Telling us that he knows better than the ECHR about what is humane? You find this argument better than the runaway arguments? :?


Its much easier to argue with someone who quotes an ECHR argument to back his case up than someone who says F*** You Greeks every time you get him in a tight spot.


His case is that courts and ECHR should be circumvent. You accept that? This is like what Talat wants isn't it? Aren't they all just repeating their official position here?
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