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[polis]

So to take an extreme theortical single indivdual case, where the pre 74 owners land was not used in any way upto the point where they lost control of it and the emotional connection to it was negliable vs current usrs that for the last 35 years have invested in it emotionaly and fincially to a great degree...

Wow! So if I keep a statutory tenancy long enough, do I get to keep the property if I can prove that I became more emotionally attached to it than the legal owner?

Where did you get that from? The "Attila the Hun" Code?

[insan]

No I have not.

YOU should the link is a couple of pages back,it was published in 2005 but is very interesting.

Today, an excellent interview made with A. Lordos was published on Kibrisgazetesi. This young man is really a super genius. He has a great knowledge regardin all aspects of Cyprus problem and moreover he has an unbelievably unbiased perspective on evaluating and concluding issues. I miss very much of his contributions to CF. Hope he comes back.

[Viewpoint]

Don't you feel ashamed to have elected a leader that lies in such a provocative manner?

To present the actual agreement made by the two communites post 74 under UN offices to allow anyone on either side who wanted to safely move to the other under UN supervision as the communities having made a population exchange agreement, is a cynical manipulation of reality designed to create a biased impression of the truth as possible about an actual reality.

Pretty much in the same way the claim below seeks to do the same about a different reality.

167.000 GC refugees forced out of north Cyprus at gun point, and 40.000 TCs who moved to the north in order to achieve the dream of partition they had since the 1950s.

Then there are the straight bald face lies not based on any reality at all, like TP's imfamous claim that no TC were killed between 63 and 74.

Both sides have and continue to seek to manipulate truth and reality to present their side as favourably as possible and the other as unfavourably as possible. At the indivdual level and at the highest political levels. This is unlikely to change. If we are ever going to get anywhere in discussions like these then in my opinion we have to stop playing this 'look how bad your side' game is , when in reality we have to know that ours are little different.

Yes the calim re population exchanges is outrageous but please lets not pretend that this is something only one side does.

Erolz do you deny that Taksim (partition) was since the 1950s (and remains until today) the desire of most TCs, and that they view anything else as being a compromise?

In the 1950s, even before the inter-communal conflict started, the TCs were demonstrating in the streets, with Turkish flags and maps showing a divided Cyprus, demanding partition. Do you deny this?

And nothing changed since then. "According to the poll, 80 per cent of Greek Cypriots want a unified state with a central government, while 71 per cent of Turkish Cypriots are in favour of two separate states with international recognition. "
http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=45090

So in what way you dispute what I said?

80% of GCs want a unified state so they can dominate the hole island and reduce to TCs to minority status.

71% of TCs want a 2 state solution becuase they do not want to just another minority in a Gc state run by GCs where they can be discriminted against.

You demanded partition since the 50s, long before the GCs even had the ability to discriminate against your minority. In fact the only discrimination up until that point came from you against us. For 3 plus centuries.

Therefore you can have as many lame excuses as you want as to why you wanted partition. The fact is that you did, and you continue to want partition.

So don't equate those 40.000 TCs that moved to the occupied areas in order to realize their dream of partition, with the 167.000 GCs which were forced at gun point to abandon their homes.

When did the enosis dream start?

On July 9 1821

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

Any other question?

Long before taksim which was to counter your enosis dream meaning our death warrant.

[Viewpoint]

71% of TCs want a 2 state solution becuase they do not want to just another minority in a Gc state run by GCs where they can be discriminted against.

So the way not to be a minority is to kill and ethnically cleanse the majority? This is how a criminal like you thinks! The easiest way not to be a minority in Cyprus is if you didn't keep invading us and bringing your Settlers on our island!

Its called survival against a hostile GC majority hell bent on making Cyprus Greece.

Again VP, when you started your demands for partition in the 50s the only hostility up until that point, 300 years of it, were coming from you against us.

Apparently it was fine for you to make Cyprus part of your empire against the will of the Cypriot people, but you did not recognize the right of the Cypriot people to belong where they democratically choose.

1821 vs 1950 ehhh which came first? enosis has been your down fall the sad part is you dont even realize it.

[boulio]

Today, an excellent interview made with A. Lordos was published on Kibrisgazetesi. This young man is really a super genius. He has a great knowledge regardin all aspects of Cyprus problem and moreover he has an unbelievably unbiased perspective on evaluating and concluding issues. I miss very much of his contributions to CF. Hope he comes back.

Isnan can you give us a brief run down of the interview.

[Viewpoint]

No I have not.

YOU should the link is a couple of pages back,it was published in 2005 but is very interesting.

Why dont you do us all a favour and summerize it?

[Viewpoint]

No I have not.

YOU should the link is a couple of pages back,it was published in 2005 but is very interesting.

Today, an excellent interview made with A. Lordos was published on Kibrisgazetesi. This young man is really a super genius. He has a great knowledge regardin all aspects of Cyprus problem and moreover he has an unbelievably unbiased perspective on evaluating and concluding issues. I miss very much of his contributions to CF. Hope he comes back.

Was it in todays paper, have to read that he gives us hope that there a few GCs who can see and acknowledge realities of the situation. Its people like him and bananiot that I would have no problem trusting with my future but unfortunatelyy they are out numbered by Kifeas Piratis Sotos and Kikapus of Cyprus.

[polis]

No I have not.

YOU should the link is a couple of pages back,it was published in 2005 but is very interesting.

Why dont you do us all a favour and summerize it?

Greeks bad, Turks good, kill Greeks.

[Viewpoint]

No I have not.

YOU should the link is a couple of pages back,it was published in 2005 but is very interesting.

Why dont you do us all a favour and summerize it?

Greeks bad, Turks good, kill Greeks.

seriously please...if you can.

[polis]

No I have not.

YOU should the link is a couple of pages back,it was published in 2005 but is very interesting.

Today, an excellent interview made with A. Lordos was published on Kibrisgazetesi. This young man is really a super genius. He has a great knowledge regardin all aspects of Cyprus problem and moreover he has an unbelievably unbiased perspective on evaluating and concluding issues. :shock: I miss very much of his contributions to CF. Hope he comes back. :)

Was it in todays paper, have to read that he gives us hope that there a few GCs who can see and acknowledge realities of the situation.

VP hasn't read it yet but still knows what it says. I mean, Insan already told us that Lordos is a super genius with an unbelievably unbiased perspective, which is code for his views are in line with VP's.