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1. Is Jesus referred as Christ in the Bible?

Bible answers:

John 1: 19-21

19: And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?
20: And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ.
21: And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.



now.. your turn

Did Jesus Peace and Blessing be upon him. fortold christians about Mohammad ?

my answer is Yes. Do you agree?

You did not answer! Answer with a yes or no to my questions and then I will answer to your question!

I repeat the questions:

1. Is Jesus referred as Christ in the Bible?

2. Is Jesus referred as the son of God in the Bible?


YES OR NO!

1. Is Jesus referred as Christ in the Bible?

Yes, I do believe that Jesus (Peace and Blessing be upon him) is refered as Christ in Arabic "Massieh" in Quran

Excellent, you agree on this. The following, among other New Testament's excerpts, verifies it:

Matthew 1-1

Βίβλος γενέσεως Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ, υἱοῦ Δαυῒδ, υἱοῦ Ἀβραάμ.

Translation:

The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

Since you also mention "Messiah":

Jesus Christ, regarded by Christians as fulfilling this promise and expectation. John 4:25, 26.

One who is anticipated as, regarded as, or professes to be a savior or liberator.

2. Is Jesus referred as the son of God in the Bible?

answer is NO from Bible and NO from Quran and NO from me.

WRONG! The correct answer is YES from BIBLE:

Proof: Matthew's Gospel, Chapter 3:

1 Ἐν δὲ ταῖς ἡμέραις ἐκείναις παραγίνεται Ἰωάννης ὁ βαπτιστὴς κηρύσσων ἐν τῇ ἐρήμῳ τῆς Ἰουδαίας 2 καὶ λέγων· Μετανοεῖτε· ἤγγικεν γὰρ ἡ βασιλεία τῶν οὐρανῶν. 3 οὗτος γάρ ἐστιν ὁ ῥηθεὶς διὰ Ἠσαΐου τοῦ προφήτου λέγοντος· Φωνὴ βοῶντος ἐν τῇ ἐρήμῳ, Ἑτοιμάσατε τὴν ὁδὸν Κυρίου, εὐθείας ποιεῖτε τὰς τρίβους αὐτοῦ. 4 Αὐτὸς δὲ ὁ Ἰωάννης εἶχεν τὸ ἔνδυμα αὐτοῦ ἀπὸ τριχῶν καμήλου καὶ ζώνην δερματίνην περὶ τὴν ὀσφὺν αὐτοῦ, ἡ δὲ τροφὴ ἦν αὐτοῦ ἀκρίδες καὶ μέλι ἄγριον. 5 τότε ἐξεπορεύετο πρὸς αὐτὸν Ἱεροσόλυμα καὶ πᾶσα ἡ Ἰουδαία καὶ πᾶσα ἡ περίχωρος τοῦ Ἰορδάνου, 6 καὶ ἐβαπτίζοντο ἐν τῷ Ἰορδάνῃ ποταμῷ ὑπ' αὐτοῦ ἐξομολογούμενοι τὰς ἁμαρτίας αὐτῶν. 7 Ἰδὼν δὲ πολλοὺς τῶν Φαρισαίων καὶ Σαδδουκαίων ἐρχομένους ἐπὶ τὸ βάπτισμα αὐτοῦ εἶπεν αὐτοῖς· Γεννήματα ἐχιδνῶν, τίς ὑπέδειξεν ὑμῖν φυγεῖν ἀπὸ τῆς μελλούσης ὀργῆς; 8 ποιήσατε οὖν καρπὸν ἄξιον τῆς μετανοίας· 9 καὶ μὴ δόξητε λέγειν ἐν ἑαυτοῖς, Πατέρα ἔχομεν τὸν Ἀβραάμ· λέγω γὰρ ὑμῖν ὅτι δύναται ὁ Θεὸς ἐκ τῶν λίθων τούτων ἐγεῖραι τέκνα τῷ Ἀβραάμ. 10 ἤδη δὲ ἡ ἀξίνη πρὸς τὴν ῥίζαν τῶν δένδρων κεῖται· πᾶν οὖν δένδρον μὴ ποιοῦν καρπὸν καλὸν ἐκκόπτεται καὶ εἰς πῦρ βάλλεται. 11 ἐγὼ μὲν ὑμᾶς βαπτίζω ἐν ὕδατι εἰς μετάνοιαν· ὁ δὲ ὀπίσω μου ἐρχόμενος ἰσχυρότερός μού ἐστιν, οὗ οὐκ εἰμὶ ἱκανὸς τὰ ὑποδήματα βαστάσαι· αὐτὸς ὑμᾶς βαπτίσει ἐν Πνεύματι ἁγίῳ καὶ πυρί· 12 οὗ τὸ πτύον ἐν τῇ χειρὶ αὐτοῦ, καὶ διακαθαριεῖ τὴν ἅλωνα αὐτοῦ, καὶ συνάξει τὸν σῖτον αὐτοῦ εἰς τὴν ἀποθήκην, τὸ δὲ ἄχυρον κατακαύσει πυρὶ ἀσβέστῳ. 13 Τότε παραγίνεται ὁ Ἰησοῦς ἀπὸ τῆς Γαλιλαίας ἐπὶ τὸν Ἰορδάνην πρὸς τὸν Ἰωάννην τοῦ βαπτισθῆναι ὑπ' αὐτοῦ. 14 ὁ δὲ Ἰωάννης διεκώλυεν αὐτὸν λέγων· Ἐγὼ χρείαν ἔχω ὑπὸ σοῦ βαπτισθῆναι, καὶ σὺ ἔρχῃ πρός με; 15 ἀποκριθεὶς δὲ ὁ Ἰησοῦς εἶπεν πρὸς αὐτόν· Ἄφες ἄρτι· οὕτω γὰρ πρέπον ἐστὶν ἡμῖν πληρῶσαι πᾶσαν δικαιοσύνην. τότε ἀφίησιν αὐτόν· 16 καὶ βαπτισθεὶς ὁ Ἰησοῦς ἀνέβη εὐθὺς ἀπὸ τοῦ ὕδατος· καὶ ἰδοὺ ἀνεῴχθησαν αὐτῷ οἱ οὐρανοί, καὶ εἶδεν τὸ Πνεῦμα τοῦ Θεοῦ καταβαῖνον ὡσεὶ περιστερὰν καὶ ἐρχόμενον ἐπ' αὐτόν· 17 καὶ ἰδοὺ φωνὴ ἐκ τῶν οὐρανῶν λέγουσα· Οὗτός ἐστιν ὁ υἱός μου ὁ ἀγαπητός, ἐν ᾧ εὐδόκησα.

Translation:

In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, 2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. 3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. 4 And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey. 5 Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan, 6 And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins. 7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. 10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: 12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire. 13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. 14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

At last, the truth has prevailed!

[kurupetos]

now.. your turn

Did Jesus Peace and Blessing be upon him. fortold christians about Mohammad ?

my answer is Yes. Do you agree?

The answer is NO! Jesus Christ fortold that his Apostles would deliver the message of God throughout the whole mankind, with the blessing of the Holy Ghost! This was fullfilled and is described in the ACTS (of the Apostles), also in the New Testament.

There is no mention of another prophet following Jesus arrival, why would another prophet would be needed after God has sent his Son ?

[offlimits2]

now.. your turn

Did Jesus Peace and Blessing be upon him. fortold christians about Mohammad ?

my answer is Yes. Do you agree?

The answer is NO! Jesus Christ fortold that his Apostles would deliver the message of God throughout the whole mankind, with the blessing of the Holy Ghost! This was fullfilled and is described in the ACTS (of the Apostles), also in the New Testament.

There is no mention of another prophet following Jesus arrival, why would another prophet would be needed after God has sent his Son ?

Deuteronomy 33:1-2 combines references to Moses, Jesus and Muhammad. It speaks of God (i.e. God's revelation) coming from Sinai, rising from Seir (probably the village of Sa'ir near Jerusalem) and shining forth from Paran. According to Genesis 21:21, the wilderness of Paran was the place where Ishmael settled (i.e. Arabia, specifically Mecca).

Indeed the King James version of the Bible mentions the pilgrims passing through the valley of Ba'ca (another name of Mecca) in Psalms 84:4-6.
Isaiah 42:1-13 speaks of the beloved of God. His elect and messenger who will bring down a law to be awaited in the isles and who "shall not fail nor be discouraged till he have set judgement on earth." Verse 11, connects that awaited one with the descendants of Ke'dar. Who is Ke'dar? According to Genesis 25:13, Ke'dar was the second son of Ishmael, the ancestor of prophet Muhammad.


Here are all the verses from Bible also.


Deuteronomy 33:1-2

1: And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death.
2: And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them.

Genesis 21:21

21: And he dwelt in the wilderness of Paran: and his mother took him a wife out of the land of Egypt.

Psalms 84:4-6

4: Blessed are they that dwell in thy house: they will be still praising thee. Selah.
5: Blessed is the man whose strength is in thee; in whose heart are the ways of them.
6: Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools.

Isaiah 42:1-13

1: Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
2: He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
3: A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.
4: He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.
5: Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
6: I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
7: To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
8: I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
9: Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
10: Sing unto the LORD a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth, ye that go down to the sea, and all that is therein; the isles, and the inhabitants thereof.
11: Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains.
12: Let them give glory unto the LORD, and declare his praise in the islands.
13: The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.

Genesis 25:13

13: And these are the names of the sons of Ishmael, by their names, according to their generations: the firstborn of Ishmael, Nebajoth; and Kedar, and Adbeel, and Mibsam

[kurupetos]

now.. your turn

Did Jesus Peace and Blessing be upon him. fortold christians about Mohammad ?

my answer is Yes. Do you agree?

The answer is NO! Jesus Christ fortold that his Apostles would deliver the message of God throughout the whole mankind, with the blessing of the Holy Ghost! This was fullfilled and is described in the ACTS (of the Apostles), also in the New Testament.

There is no mention of another prophet following Jesus arrival, why would another prophet would be needed after God has sent his Son ?

Deuteronomy 33:1-2 combines references to Moses, Jesus and Muhammad. It speaks of God (i.e. God's revelation) coming from Sinai, rising from Seir (probably the village of Sa'ir near Jerusalem) and shining forth from Paran. According to Genesis 21:21, the wilderness of Paran was the place where Ishmael settled (i.e. Arabia, specifically Mecca).

Indeed the King James version of the Bible mentions the pilgrims passing through the valley of Ba'ca (another name of Mecca) in Psalms 84:4-6.
Isaiah 42:1-13 speaks of the beloved of God. His elect and messenger who will bring down a law to be awaited in the isles and who "shall not fail nor be discouraged till he have set judgement on earth." Verse 11, connects that awaited one with the descendants of Ke'dar. Who is Ke'dar? According to Genesis 25:13, Ke'dar was the second son of Ishmael, the ancestor of prophet Muhammad.


Here are all the verses from Bible also.


Deuteronomy 33:1-2

1: And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death.
2: And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them.

Genesis 21:21

21: And he dwelt in the wilderness of Paran: and his mother took him a wife out of the land of Egypt.

Psalms 84:4-6

4: Blessed are they that dwell in thy house: they will be still praising thee. Selah.
5: Blessed is the man whose strength is in thee; in whose heart are the ways of them.
6: Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools.

Isaiah 42:1-13

1: Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
2: He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
3: A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.
4: He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.
5: Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
6: I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
7: To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
8: I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
9: Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
10: Sing unto the LORD a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth, ye that go down to the sea, and all that is therein; the isles, and the inhabitants thereof.
11: Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains.
12: Let them give glory unto the LORD, and declare his praise in the islands.
13: The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.

Genesis 25:13

13: And these are the names of the sons of Ishmael, by their names, according to their generations: the firstborn of Ishmael, Nebajoth; and Kedar, and Adbeel, and Mibsam

Read my previous 2 posts.

[offlimits2]

i read it and that is why i replied...

i would like to have ur comments..


and secondly.... while reading ur post.. it just came to my mind..

that most christians in the world are basically reading translated Bibles. The actual form of Hebrew is not being read.. which means the whole religion is based on translated text. isn't that right?

knowing the fact that Jesus (Peace be upon him) was not greek speaking.

my friend kurupetos, what we muslims say is everything from Quran .. which is the most authentic book in the world . the book is miracle by itself.. we don't give our own person opinions.


as i said before.. Islam as christianity is cousin religions based on Monotheism. but the true essence of Monothiesm which Jesus peace be upon him and Moses and then last Mohammad peace be upon all of them.. got corropted with time coz of translations and other purposes like personal benefits of priests, rabbies.

i will simply say that, don't think muslims are following pure monothiesm correclty, many of them have the wrong concept also.. and since we are going to face the God Almight (The creator) we need to understand that He is one, alone, doesn't need sons to doesn't need sons to die for sins. coz logically if someone else is dieing for your sins .. then why u have to refrain from sins.
this is why if you see how adultory, theft and etc are becoming so normal that no-body thinks that it is a sin anymore.

so.. as Quran says , people of books means. you and me. should not argue but draw common terms
common terms here : is called "understanding God" Understanding purpose of life, understand purpose of Prophets and their message.

[Me Ed]

i read it and that is why i replied...

i would like to have ur comments..


and secondly.... while reading ur post.. it just came to my mind..

that most christians in the world are basically reading translated Bibles. The actual form of Hebrew is not being read.. which means the whole religion is based on translated text. isn't that right?

knowing the fact that Jesus (Peace be upon him) was not greek speaking.

my friend kurupetos, what we muslims say is everything from Quran .. which is the most authentic book in the world . the book is miracle by itself.. we don't give our own person opinions.


as i said before.. Islam as christianity is cousin religions based on Monotheism. but the true essence of Monothiesm which Jesus peace be upon him and Moses and then last Mohammad peace be upon all of them.. got corropted with time coz of translations and other purposes like personal benefits of priests, rabbies.

i will simply say that, don't think muslims are following pure monothiesm correclty, many of them have the wrong concept also.. and since we are going to face the God Almight (The creator) we need to understand that He is one, alone, doesn't need sons to doesn't need sons to die for sins. coz logically if someone else is dieing for your sins .. then why u have to refrain from sins.
this is why if you see how adultory, theft and etc are becoming so normal that no-body thinks that it is a sin anymore.

so.. as Quran says , people of books means. you and me. should not argue but draw common terms
common terms here : is called "understanding God" Understanding purpose of life, understand purpose of Prophets and their message.

Offlimits2, I have observed that the internet and particularly youtube is packed full of islamic propaganda.

The way you pick a tiny fraction of verses from the Word of God that suit your purposes, but conveniently choose to ignore the rest that does not is both laughable and ridiculous.

What you fail to realise is that the provenance of the quran is very shaky and therefore the least authentic of the holy texts, in that the teachings in the Old and New Testaments was revealed directly by God, where as the quran was revealed by an angel claiming to by the Archangel Gabriel.

Gods commandments and teachings to man in the holy texts was done DIRECTLY through the voice of God and not through any Angel.

So why would God reveal what you believe to be the most miracouls truth NOT IN HIS OWN WORDS but through an angel.

It may have taken the evil one six centuries to hatch his decetiful plot and chose the instrument of your so called prophet to deliver this deceit, but satans agenda was to remove man from salvation in Jesus Christ - and has so far suceeded with YOU.

Where it comes to the account of satan in the quran, I agree with, because it was actualy him that was speaking to your so called prophet.

[suegwyn]

all religion is guilt with different holidays!

[Free Spirit]

i my friend kurupetos, what we muslims say is everything from Quran .. which is the most authentic book in the world . the book is miracle by itself.. we don't give our own person opinions.

Who says that it is authentic? you have to be totaly blinkered by blind faith and extremely gullible to believe what is written in a book that uses termonology that is more akin to 'Tales Of The Arabian Nights'.
"Right hand posessions" being one such ridiculous piece of terminology.

[kurupetos]

Let's end this thread with a nice song: