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Do you believe in Old testament or New testament or both?

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Do you believe in Old testament or New testament or both?

Old Testament
3
14%
New Testament
1
5%
Both
5
23%
None
13
59%
 
Total votes : 22

Postby Me Ed » Thu May 07, 2009 1:56 pm

1- 325 AD was decided by council wether to declare Jesus as son of God or not


No it did not - you need to read the article very carefully. It was discussing the nature of Christ, the fact that He was the son of God was never in dispute.
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Postby offlimits2 » Thu May 07, 2009 2:01 pm

Me Ed wrote:
1- 325 AD was decided by council wether to declare Jesus as son of God or not


No it did not - you need to read the article very carefully. It was discussing the nature of Christ, the fact that He was the son of God was never in dispute.
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how can you discuss nature of Jesus. after 325 years of his actuall life..
we are not talk about decades, we are talking about centuries..


nowadays.. people fight over .. one firend saying somehting to other friends. and this firend goes and tell to someone else. the meaning changes and dispute starts

even then Jesus Birth day which Xmas and celebrated because contatine's pagan rituals were on this day.

and

most important:



after you read this docuemnt.. my quesiton will be..
where in Bible God says "Jesus is only Son of God"
Bible says God has sons in tons, and Adam was his son. all good poeple mentioned in Bible are all sons.


no offense but .. one thing leads to other..and creates lot of doubts.
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Postby Me Ed » Thu May 07, 2009 2:37 pm

offlimits2 wrote:how can you discuss nature of Jesus. after 325 years of his actuall life..
we are not talk about decades, we are talking about centuries..


I'm not going to give you a history lesson, but it was the first time that Christianity was not under oppression.

offlimits2 wrote:even then Jesus Birth day which Xmas and celebrated because contatine's pagan rituals were on this day.


I have no issue with this, nobody knows exactly what date Christ was born, so replacing an existing holiday with this is political genius on Saint Constantines part.


offlimits2 wrote:and

most important:



after you read this docuemnt.. my quesiton will be..
where in Bible God says "Jesus is only Son of God"
Bible says God has sons in tons, and Adam was his son. all good poeple mentioned in Bible are all sons.


no offense but .. one thing leads to other..and creates lot of doubt


I am in no doubt and seeing as you are a fan of Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_god

but please don't miss-read or miss-interpret it like the other article.
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Postby offlimits2 » Thu May 07, 2009 2:51 pm

Me Ed wrote:
offlimits2 wrote:how can you discuss nature of Jesus. after 325 years of his actuall life..
we are not talk about decades, we are talking about centuries..


I'm not going to give you a history lesson, but it was the first time that Christianity was not under oppression.

offlimits2 wrote:even then Jesus Birth day which Xmas and celebrated because contatine's pagan rituals were on this day.


I have no issue with this, nobody knows exactly what date Christ was born, so replacing an existing holiday with this is political genius on Saint Constantines part.


offlimits2 wrote:and

most important:



after you read this docuemnt.. my quesiton will be..
where in Bible God says "Jesus is only Son of God"
Bible says God has sons in tons, and Adam was his son. all good poeple mentioned in Bible are all sons.


no offense but .. one thing leads to other..and creates lot of doubt


I am in no doubt and seeing as you are a fan of Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_god

but please don't miss-read or miss-interpret it like the other article.



i m copy pasting from the document you sent me



Christians consider Jesus to be the unigenitus Dei Filius (lat. "only-begotten Son of God"),


i would like you to now open the dictionary and check the meaning of begotten :

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/begotten

be⋅get   /bɪˈgɛt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [bi-get] Show IPA
–verb (used with object), be⋅got or (Archaic) be⋅gat; be⋅got⋅ten or be⋅got; be⋅get⋅ting. 1. (esp. of a male parent) to procreate or generate (offspring).



sire   /saɪər/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [sahyuhr] Show IPA noun, verb, sired, sir⋅ing.
–noun 1. the male parent of a quadruped.
2. a respectful term of address, now used only to a male sovereign.


we should not attribute God Almighty to such things.

after God (Father of all) keeps warning..

in Quran...

these four verses tells exactly what God is by his own words.


Say you, He is Allah, the one.
Allah the Independent, Care free.
He begot none' nor was He begotten.
And nor anyone is equal to Him.
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Postby Me Ed » Thu May 07, 2009 3:06 pm

offlimits2 wrote:we should not attribute God Almighty to such things.

after God (Father of all) keeps warning..

in Quran...

these four verses tells exactly what God is by his own words.


Say you, He is Allah, the one.
Allah the Independent, Care free.
He begot none' nor was He begotten.
And nor anyone is equal to Him.


God spoke DIRECTLY and in His own words to Adam and the Old Testament Prophets and to anyone who came in direct contact with Jesus Christ.

The Quran was revealed via a third party who 'claimed' to be the Archangel Gabriel, and did not come DIRECTLY from God.
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Postby offlimits2 » Thu May 07, 2009 3:31 pm

Have you read Quran?
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Postby Me Ed » Thu May 07, 2009 3:45 pm

offlimits2 wrote:Have you read Quran?


I've read enough to understand that verses like...

offlimits2 wrote:Say you, He is Allah, the one.
Allah the Independent, Care free.
He begot none' nor was He begotten.
And nor anyone is equal to Him.


That deny the existence of the only begotten Son of God, may be the work of the one that said ...

And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
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Postby Free Spirit » Thu May 07, 2009 5:34 pm

offlimits2 wrote:
Bible says God has sons in tons, and Adam was his son. all good poeple mentioned in Bible are all sons.
no offense but .. one thing leads to other..and creates lot of doubts.
So who was the father of 'Osama Bin laden' ?
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Postby MariaEvri » Fri May 08, 2009 3:12 pm

offlimits2 wrote:i m shocked..... really


coz if you see churches in easter and christmas they are filled up . no place even out side





keep in mind some go to church only at easter and/or xmass because of tradition and not a belief in a god
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Postby kurupetos » Fri May 08, 2009 7:23 pm

MariaEvri wrote:
offlimits2 wrote:i m shocked..... really


coz if you see churches in easter and christmas they are filled up . no place even out side





keep in mind some go to church only at easter and/or xmass because of tradition and not a belief in a god


what? :?
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