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Postby insan » Sun May 03, 2009 10:12 pm

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Eurasia wrote:Very clinical...I see you made no mention of 3rd party nationals in your scheme.It may be funny to you but for many it is not funny or simple.Lands that belong to families for generations are not parted with in such a simple way.
I note that Briton sent an armada to the Falkland to take back a piece of land that had more sheep on it than people.Why?
PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT to keep what is there's if they have no wish to sell it .THE EUROPEAN COURT MADE THIS CLEAR.


In above case, that i just gave it for an example. Meletis has the right to reject the demand of TC refugee. What's wrong with it? Perhaps some part of properties issue could have been solved through such a properties board for the benefit of refugees in the last 35 years. Wouldn't it be good?

If it is a TC And a GC fine.But the line has to be drawn there.How would you solve the problem if the land belonged to a GC but a settler sold it on?
In an ideal world it would be nice to settle such matters in a just agreed world, but...and it's a big but...This is not the way things are.


If it was a settler that legally gained citizenship of TRNC, the relevant TRNC authorities should negotiate issue with the legal owner. In such a case, a piece of land under possession of Evkaf(State land share of TCs) could be offered to legal owner for exchange. Still the legal owner has the right to accept or reject this offer or demand any other piece of TC land located in South.
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Postby T_C » Sun May 03, 2009 10:22 pm

The GCs have to realise that they are so lucky to even be in a position that they are negotiating with an invader and realise that the most this fight is going to get them is a better deal, not the perfect one...

With this judgement I'm sure their losses will be down to a bare minimum and while everyone should get their properties back I hope that the loss of some land will not make them vote no in the next referandum. :?
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Postby Hermes » Sun May 03, 2009 10:31 pm

T_C wrote:The GCs have to realise that they are so lucky to even be in a position that they are negotiating with an invader and realise that the most this fight is going to get them is a better deal, not the perfect one...

With this judgement I'm sure their losses will be down to a bare minimum and while everyone should get their properties back I hope that the loss of some land will not make them vote no in the next referandum. :?


I don't think luck has much to do with it. It's been a patient and steadfast belief in the justness of their cause, a willingness to use the international courts to establish precedents and some very clever strategic decisions designed to pressurise Turkey.

Not bad for a small country faced with a much larger and implacable opponent. Of course, some compromise is necessary on both sides to reach a settlement that both communities can accept. But the balance has tipped in favour of the Greek Cypriot cause and they will certainly use the ECJ decision to their advantage.
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Postby T_C » Sun May 03, 2009 11:09 pm

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T_C wrote:The GCs have to realise that they are so lucky to even be in a position that they are negotiating with an invader and realise that the most this fight is going to get them is a better deal, not the perfect one...

With this judgement I'm sure their losses will be down to a bare minimum and while everyone should get their properties back I hope that the loss of some land will not make them vote no in the next referandum. :?


I don't think luck has much to do with it. It's been a patient and steadfast belief in the justness of their cause, a willingness to use the international courts to establish precedents and some very clever strategic decisions designed to pressurise Turkey.

Not bad for a small country faced with a much larger and implacable opponent. Of course, some compromise is necessary on both sides to reach a settlement that both communities can accept. But the balance has tipped in favour of the Greek Cypriot cause and they will certainly use the ECJ decision to their advantage.


YES! The fight you put up is commendable, and I can only hope you do use it to your advantage, thats my point. Knowing the GCs I fear they will go in with all guns blazing and end up leaving with nothing...again... :?
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Postby YFred » Sun May 03, 2009 11:53 pm

T_C wrote:
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T_C wrote:The GCs have to realise that they are so lucky to even be in a position that they are negotiating with an invader and realise that the most this fight is going to get them is a better deal, not the perfect one...

With this judgement I'm sure their losses will be down to a bare minimum and while everyone should get their properties back I hope that the loss of some land will not make them vote no in the next referandum. :?


I don't think luck has much to do with it. It's been a patient and steadfast belief in the justness of their cause, a willingness to use the international courts to establish precedents and some very clever strategic decisions designed to pressurise Turkey.

Not bad for a small country faced with a much larger and implacable opponent. Of course, some compromise is necessary on both sides to reach a settlement that both communities can accept. But the balance has tipped in favour of the Greek Cypriot cause and they will certainly use the ECJ decision to their advantage.


YES! The fight you put up is commendable, and I can only hope you do use it to your advantage, thats my point. Knowing the GCs I fear they will go in with all guns blazing and end up leaving with nothing...again... :?

The worst aspect is that this case will harden the stance of the GCs, and the talks will come to nothing. Back to square one.
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Postby The Cypriot » Mon May 04, 2009 12:47 am

YFred wrote:Back to square one.


Great. Square one was a united Cyprus!
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Postby cymart » Mon May 04, 2009 1:14 pm

Actually I was hiding in Maras but they have no electricity or internet there so I couldn't keep in touch!The weather is warming up now and it will be too hot without air-conditioning so I came back!!Seriously though,it would be very interesting to see how things are there-in the Cyprus Sunday Mail yesterday there was an article about how nature has taken over the buffer zone and there are many species of wildlife now in control there!Maras must be the same!I read about it in a book called' The world without us' by Andrew Weissman but his account is several years out of date.He wrote that most buidings have gone rotten and will have to be pulled down anyway.The Turkish Army still refuses to even let U.N. surveyors and Observers in there-it just seems so stupid!
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Postby Sotos » Mon May 04, 2009 1:31 pm

T_C wrote:The GCs have to realise that they are so lucky to even be in a position that they are negotiating with an invader and realise that the most this fight is going to get them is a better deal, not the perfect one...

With this judgement I'm sure their losses will be down to a bare minimum and while everyone should get their properties back I hope that the loss of some land will not make them vote no in the next referandum. :?


But we didn't even talk about the perfect deal ;)
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Postby YFred » Mon May 04, 2009 2:27 pm

The Cypriot wrote:
YFred wrote:Back to square one.


Great. Square one was a united Cyprus!

It's the second square you need to think about.
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Postby Eurasia » Mon May 04, 2009 3:14 pm

Well whatever the outcome the struggle will continue for a unified Cyprus.It is what all Cypriots deserve a lasting and fair solution for all.
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