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Postby miltiades » Sun May 03, 2009 8:17 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Miltiades can you not see a hardening of views? Do you think the "RoC" courts can now suspend a TC claim until a solution is found? If they do can you kindly tell me if you see any sign of how it would be for us in a united Cyprus?

What I can see is that international laws and more aptly EU laws are adopted and implemented in a part of Europe and specifically in a part of Europe where 40 thousand foreign occupying troops are dictating the policies of a corrupt and unrecognized " government" that tells you and other zombies that when referring to the internationally recognized RoC , inverted commas must be used. It is telling you and your nonsensical statements concerning the President of the TRNC and the Greek Cypriot leader !!!!
VP , Its first class bollocks and you know it .There is one and one only Republic the one that 60 thousand of its citizens living under the occupation of Turkey possess its passports and IDs.
The T/Cs lived amongst the other Cypriots for many years without any conflict . They did then and they will do it again. There is nowhere else to go now , its either to their Cypriot homeland or to Turkey.
The game is up.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun May 03, 2009 8:21 pm

miltiades wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Miltiades can you not see a hardening of views? Do you think the "RoC" courts can now suspend a TC claim until a solution is found? If they do can you kindly tell me if you see any sign of how it would be for us in a united Cyprus?

What I can see is that international laws and more aptly EU laws are adopted and implemented in a part of Europe and specifically in a part of Europe where 40 thousand foreign occupying troops are dictating the policies of a corrupt and unrecognized " government" that tells you and other zombies that when referring to the internationally recognized RoC , inverted commas must be used. It is telling you and your nonsensical statements concerning the President of the TRNC and the Greek Cypriot leader !!!!
VP , Its first class bollocks and you know it .There is one and one only Republic the one that 60 thousand of its citizens living under the occupation of Turkey possess its passports and IDs.
The T/Cs lived amongst the other Cypriots for many years without any conflict . They did then and they will do it again. There is nowhere else to go now , its either to their Cypriot homeland or to Turkey.
The game is up.


You didn't really answer my questions, why? I do not recognize the `RoC`because it has it heart missing and does not represent me in any way shape or form, you only represent yourselves a Gc state run by GCs.
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Try being practical....

Postby cymart » Sun May 03, 2009 8:59 pm

Whilst it is true that most people on either side will probably not choose to go back to where they lived until 1974 for the simple reason that a lot of time has passed and they have familes that grew up where they are now,homes,businesses etc. the principle that persons who own properties should have the first right to decide what will be done with them must be included in any settlement.It is also most unlikely that a Turkish Cypriot who has property in Paphos, or a Greek Cypriot who has property in say Kyrenia or a viilage in Mesaoria would opt to live in the area where the other community is in control and forms the majority,but the right to choose still comes first.Obviously,most will opt for compensation but this must be their decision.Our friend from Lapithos who makes passionate postings on this site wants to go back to his village so he should be allowed to.Of course Greek-Cypriots who have property in areas which are returned to them can go back-if they don't want to and prefer to rent or sell them,that is their affair.
How many people from either the north or the south,would actually want to go back anyway,even if they were assured there would be no security problems etc, after 35 years?
This aspect of the Cyprus problem can be settled,with common-sense,goodwill and compromise.....
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Postby Eurasia » Sun May 03, 2009 9:09 pm

explain to me why it might be seen as ok for brits like the orams to buy land taken from cypriots.be they greek or turkish cypriot. Would it have been ok for the Nazi's in the second world war to sell bits of france poland Greece Russia and many other countries to people from nations they had no problem with?
Is it ok for Jews to build settlements in lands that does not belong to them?
I am sure if the orams home and land in the UK was sold to someone else so they could use it as a holiday home they would be rushing to the European court to get back what was rightfully theirs.
It is time these people realise they cannot profit from the misery of others..
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Postby insan » Sun May 03, 2009 9:29 pm

Eurasia wrote:explain to me why it might be seen as ok for brits like the orams to buy land taken from cypriots.be they greek or turkish cypriot. Would it have been ok for the Nazi's in the second world war to sell bits of france poland Greece Russia and many other countries to people from nations they had no problem with?
Is it ok for Jews to build settlements in lands that does not belong to them?
I am sure if the orams home and land in the UK was sold to someone else so they could use it as a holiday home they would be rushing to the European court to get back what was rightfully theirs.
It is time these people realise they cannot profit from the misery of others..


It's not a matter of profiting from the misery of the others. There r mistakes made in the process. In my opinion, under the defacto situation; refugees that wishes to sell the land or property they have been occupying, should have been given the right to sell the land/property by asking the permission of the legal owner through an impartial bi-communal properties board.

Let's say TC refugee asked permission of Meletis through such a properties board, Meletis and TC refugee negotiated the issue and Meletis agreed the exchange of one piece of his land in North(the land that Orams villa was built on) with one piece of land in the South that belongs to TC refugee. Wouldn't it be more beneficiary and peaceful for all of us?

However as I numerous times stated, in a small island where illiteracy and self-interests rule; the main aim is how much damage we can cause to each other. :lol: Sorry for the laughter but it's really too ridiculous. :lol:
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Postby Eurasia » Sun May 03, 2009 9:43 pm

Very clinical...I see you made no mention of 3rd party nationals in your scheme.It may be funny to you but for many it is not funny or simple.Lands that belong to families for generations are not parted with in such a simple way.
I note that Briton sent an armada to the Falkland to take back a piece of land that had more sheep on it than people.Why?
PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT to keep what is there's if they have no wish to sell it .THE EUROPEAN COURT MADE THIS CLEAR.
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Postby Bananiot » Sun May 03, 2009 9:47 pm

Hozgeldiniz cymart. Where have you been? If you are here to quench our euphoria, I'll get l Syllouris to tell you off.
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Postby insan » Sun May 03, 2009 9:47 pm

Eurasia wrote:Very clinical...I see you made no mention of 3rd party nationals in your scheme.It may be funny to you but for many it is not funny or simple.Lands that belong to families for generations are not parted with in such a simple way.
I note that Briton sent an armada to the Falkland to take back a piece of land that had more sheep on it than people.Why?
PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT to keep what is there's if they have no wish to sell it .THE EUROPEAN COURT MADE THIS CLEAR.


In above case, that i just gave it for an example. Meletis has the right to reject the demand of TC refugee. What's wrong with it? Perhaps some part of properties issue could have been solved through such a properties board for the benefit of refugees in the last 35 years. Wouldn't it be good?
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Postby Eurasia » Sun May 03, 2009 10:00 pm

insan wrote:
Eurasia wrote:Very clinical...I see you made no mention of 3rd party nationals in your scheme.It may be funny to you but for many it is not funny or simple.Lands that belong to families for generations are not parted with in such a simple way.
I note that Briton sent an armada to the Falkland to take back a piece of land that had more sheep on it than people.Why?
PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT to keep what is there's if they have no wish to sell it .THE EUROPEAN COURT MADE THIS CLEAR.


In above case, that i just gave it for an example. Meletis has the right to reject the demand of TC refugee. What's wrong with it? Perhaps some part of properties issue could have been solved through such a properties board for the benefit of refugees in the last 35 years. Wouldn't it be good?

If it is a TC And a GC fine.But the line has to be drawn there.How would you solve the problem if the land belonged to a GC but a settler sold it on?
In an ideal world it would be nice to settle such matters in a just agreed world, but...and it's a big but...This is not the way things are.
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Postby Hermes » Sun May 03, 2009 10:05 pm

insan wrote:It's not a matter of profiting from the misery of the others. There r mistakes made in the process. In my opinion, under the defacto situation; refugees that wishes to sell the land or property they have been occupying, should have been given the right to sell the land/property by asking the permission of the legal owner through an impartial bi-communal properties board.


But most legal owners want to have the right to decide what they do with their properties. It is up to them and no-one else. That is the law and the "facts on the ground" do not change that. This whole mess could have been avoided if the "TRNC" authorities hadn't so brazenly encouraged the sale and exploitation of G/C properties for political ends. If you want to blame anyone then blame your leadership which has so stupidly and criminally misled the people it claims to represent and encouraged illegality on a massive scale.
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