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[The Cypriot]

Its in the method. What is being asked is impossible? The TCs will not vote for it, it's not just the leaders.

Perhaps with some assurances and friendly persuasion from Turkey – that it really is in your best interests, and the best interests of the motherland – they will vote for it. Alternatively, I hear votes come at a price in the north. And the price may well be worth paying to prevent the EU door from shutting on Turkey.

What I am suggesting is 5 years maybe 10 years down line where TCs will not depend on Turkey for handouts, and then it will work.

Maybe? An agreement based on maybe?

Why should the TCs depend on anyone for handouts? With the whole of Cyprus in the EU, they will benefit immediately from trade, tourism and investment opportunities; including with Turkey. No ifs or buts or maybes.

The TCs cannot compete with Turkey on anything because Turkey produces better quality at cheaper prices anything you care to name. That is why in time TCs will choose GCs as a partner as opposed to Turkey. That is of course assuming that the GCs wish to trade with the TCs, if not then in VP’s words we’ll have to look at alternatives.

They will have the whole of the EU with whom to trade, with whom to develop partnerships.

I'll give you one simple example, RoC pays better price for grain then Turkey, however fertiliser is cheaper from Turkey.

And you've been buying their horse shit for years, I know...

So you see there is money to be made by trading with both communities.

What's to stop trade with Turkey from continuing. What's to stop all of Cyprus buying fertiliser from Turkey if it's at the right price?

[YFred]

Its in the method. What is being asked is impossible? The TCs will not vote for it, it's not just the leaders.

Perhaps with some assurances and friendly persuasion from Turkey – that it really is in your best interests, and the best interests of the motherland – they will vote for it. Alternatively, I hear votes come at a price in the north. And the price may well be worth paying to prevent the EU door from shutting on Turkey.

What I am suggesting is 5 years maybe 10 years down line where TCs will not depend on Turkey for handouts, and then it will work.

Maybe? An agreement based on maybe?

Why should the TCs depend on anyone for handouts? With the whole of Cyprus in the EU, they will benefit immediately from trade, tourism and investment opportunities; including with Turkey. No ifs or buts or maybes.

The TCs cannot compete with Turkey on anything because Turkey produces better quality at cheaper prices anything you care to name. That is why in time TCs will choose GCs as a partner as opposed to Turkey. That is of course assuming that the GCs wish to trade with the TCs, if not then in VP’s words we’ll have to look at alternatives.

They will have the whole of the EU with whom to trade, with whom to develop partnerships.

I'll give you one simple example, RoC pays better price for grain then Turkey, however fertiliser is cheaper from Turkey.

And you've been buying their horse shit for years, I know...

So you see there is money to be made by trading with both communities.

What's to stop trade with Turkey from continuing. What's to stop all of Cyprus buying fertiliser from Turkey if it's at the right price?

The reason the TCs depend on handouts is because their hands have been tied behind their backs and their economy has been devastated over 35 years of embargo particularly investment in the tourist industry.
Now we will have to have a few 5 year plans before we can get anywhere near you guys in percentage terms.

I knew you would come up with the “shit” comment, we have plenty of cows, sheep and bulls of our own. I was referring to Libazma reh.

[The Cypriot]

The reason the TCs depend on handouts is because their hands have been tied behind their backs and their economy has been devastated over 35 years of embargo particularly investment in the tourist industry.
Now we will have to have a few 5 year plans before we can get anywhere near you guys in percentage terms.

I knew you would come up with the “shit” comment, we have plenty of cows, sheep and bulls of our own. I was referring to Libazma reh.

I agree it will take some time for parity, but when East Germany reunited with West Germany, East Germany didn't rely on the Soviet Union for support in the interim. TCs can rely on the rest of Cyprus and the EU for support and investment, as well as, where it makes sense, Turkey. But Turkey must relinquish control from day 1.

[EPSILON]

The reason the TCs depend on handouts is because their hands have been tied behind their backs and their economy has been devastated over 35 years of embargo particularly investment in the tourist industry.
Now we will have to have a few 5 year plans before we can get anywhere near you guys in percentage terms.

I knew you would come up with the “shit” comment, we have plenty of cows, sheep and bulls of our own. I was referring to Libazma reh.

I agree it will take some time for parity, but when East Germany reunited with West Germany, East Germany didn't rely on the Soviet Union for support in the interim. TCs can rely on the rest of Cyprus and the EU for support and investment, as well as, where it makes sense, Turkey. But Turkey must relinquish control from day 1.

Do you really believe that this will happen? Do you really believe that Turkey,after it won a war, after it spend billions of Dollars to secure its interests (not T/cs of course) is going to sign any agreement for a trully indepedent Cyprus? I am not. I also like a Purche but i do not have the money to buy it.Then i have either to wait to be reach or to buy a cheaper car.Is just for us to decide.

[The Cypriot]

I agree it will take some time for parity, but when East Germany reunited with West Germany, East Germany didn't rely on the Soviet Union for support in the interim. TCs can rely on the rest of Cyprus and the EU for support and investment, as well as, where it makes sense, Turkey. But Turkey must relinquish control from day 1.

Do you really believe that this will happen?

This is what is expected of Turkey by free Cypriots, the EU and the rest of the world.

Do you really believe that Turkey,after it won a war, after it spend billions of Dollars to secure its interests (not T/cs of course) is going to sign any agreement for a trully indepedent Cyprus?

Not if Turkey's military holds sway.

I am not. I also like a Purche but i do not have the money to buy it.Then i have either to wait to be reach or to buy a cheaper car.Is just for us to decide.

So which is it for you, E? Cheap car or keep saving?

[Viewpoint]

If TCs in power act in the interests of Cyprus and its people as a whole rather than for a foreign power why would that happen? It hasn't happened to Armenians or Maronites in power. So here's my proposal: cut the umbilical chord between TCs and Turkey, ie. remove the troops, the guarantees and the intervention rights. I know you won't like it but it's the only way to ensure TCs act for Cyprus not as Turkey's proxy; and so won't be brushed aside.

How will you guarantee that

[The Cypriot]

If TCs in power act in the interests of Cyprus and its people as a whole rather than for a foreign power why would that happen? It hasn't happened to Armenians or Maronites in power. So here's my proposal: cut the umbilical chord between TCs and Turkey, ie. remove the troops, the guarantees and the intervention rights. I know you won't like it but it's the only way to ensure TCs act for Cyprus not as Turkey's proxy; and so won't be brushed aside.

How will you guarantee that

I think we can safely guarantee this could go on forever...

[Kikapu]

If TCs in power act in the interests of Cyprus and its people as a whole rather than for a foreign power why would that happen? It hasn't happened to Armenians or Maronites in power. So here's my proposal: cut the umbilical chord between TCs and Turkey, ie. remove the troops, the guarantees and the intervention rights. I know you won't like it but it's the only way to ensure TCs act for Cyprus not as Turkey's proxy; and so won't be brushed aside.

How will you guarantee that

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... 717#478717

[Viewpoint]

If TCs in power act in the interests of Cyprus and its people as a whole rather than for a foreign power why would that happen? It hasn't happened to Armenians or Maronites in power. So here's my proposal: cut the umbilical chord between TCs and Turkey, ie. remove the troops, the guarantees and the intervention rights. I know you won't like it but it's the only way to ensure TCs act for Cyprus not as Turkey's proxy; and so won't be brushed aside.

How will you guarantee that

I think we can safely guarantee this could go on forever...

You are not giving me an real answers, why?

[Viewpoint]

If TCs in power act in the interests of Cyprus and its people as a whole rather than for a foreign power why would that happen? It hasn't happened to Armenians or Maronites in power. So here's my proposal: cut the umbilical chord between TCs and Turkey, ie. remove the troops, the guarantees and the intervention rights. I know you won't like it but it's the only way to ensure TCs act for Cyprus not as Turkey's proxy; and so won't be brushed aside.

How will you guarantee that

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... 717#478717

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