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[miltiades]

VP , seems to be dismissing the very fact that Turkey is not only dealing with Cyprus but with the EU.
There is NO where for the "trnc" to go but unite under an agreement that is satisfactory to the people of Cyprus , T/Cs and G/Cs. Turkey has now realized that she is occupying a part of Europe , she will in time accept this reality and allow the T/Cs the freedom to decide their own future.

As far as recognition dreams go , the dream is now over. The EU will not allow a part of its own territory to break away permanently. As for Turkey annexing the occupied part , forget it , she can not do so , not now that the EU conclusively endorsed , as she always did , that the RoC , A MEMBER NATION, has legal authority in the occupied part of Cyprus.

May I ask VP , who was not born in Cyprus , neither did he live through the early 60s conflict , what is it that makes hin adamant that the T/Cs would be at a disadvantage in a united Cyprus. The administrative and legal processess now are not what they once were , bearing in mind that 6 years prior to the invasion of 1974 no conflict erupted , why on earth would a conflict amongst Cypriots watched by Europe should be a threat now.
The T/Cs would be a great deal better off financially and be in receipt of all the benefit entitlements , and very generous they are too , that all Cypriots now are.

The truth of the matter is that VP is NOT a Cypriot , he sees Turkey as his motherland and considers Limassol , Paphos and Stroumbi as foreign areas !!! In a nutshell VP hates the G/Cs and wants nothing whatsoever to do with them !

[yiannisP]

I wish to thank those who offered constructive input into my letter, esp The Cypriot.

[The Cypriot]

I wish to thank those who offered constructive input into my letter, esp The Cypriot.

Not at all yiannis. I only wish more UK Cypriots were like you; and took the trouble to do what you're doing - in a considered way. We may have made further progress.

[kurupetos]

YFred, are you willing to join your fellow Cypriots and fight to death for Cyprus' freedom?

The day RoC stops being racist and treats TCs equal in the eyes of the law, I will be right by your side, till that day arrives, I cannot join you.

RoC police and the justice system leave a hell of a lot to be desired.

Unless of course the first fight is to accomplish the above, and then I am with you.

There is hope then because human-made problems can be corrected by humans.

[Viewpoint]

And you expect us you take your word for it? Please dont be so naive or expect TCs to belive you, has we have said all along safeguards and guarantee under a BBF with politcal equality of the 2 founding states are vital to TCs.

Well you need to bring your ideas to the negotiating table and stop your bullshit demands expecting G/Cs to give up their legal and property rights. Any BBF will be subject to EU and international law with only limited derogations. You cannot get away from that.

You need to realise that Turkey can't help you anymore. It has thrown everything at the "TRNC" but all the roads are now closed: legally, diplomatically and financially. It's over. Either you stand on your own feet in a federal Cyprus or you face economic ruin and isolation. Which is it to be?

Whats over? when? how? just claiming it is doent make it happen. Absolutely nothing has chnaged so far and it appears that it never will as long as both sides do not compromise or understand the other sides concerns.

[Viewpoint]

miltiades

VP , seems to be dismissing the very fact that Turkey is not only dealing with Cyprus but with the EU.

EU half heartidly, South Cyprus no...because they do not recognize you in your current form, that why no ports.

There is NO where for the "trnc" to go but unite under an agreement that is satisfactory to the people of Cyprus , T/Cs and G/Cs. Turkey has now realized that she is occupying a part of Europe , she will in time accept this reality and allow the T/Cs the freedom to decide their own future.

When? Cant see it anytime soon if ever, you are only deluding yourself no one else.

As far as recognition dreams go , the dream is now over. The EU will not allow a part of its own territory to break away permanently. As for Turkey annexing the occupied part , forget it , she can not do so , not now that the EU conclusively endorsed , as she always did , that the RoC , A MEMBER NATION, has legal authority in the occupied part of Cyprus.

Who knows how things will develop never say never, stranger things have happened and if anything I feel you will not be happy with result if GCs continue with their current mindset.

May I ask VP , who was not born in Cyprus , neither did he live through the early 60s conflict , what is it that makes hin adamant that the T/Cs would be at a disadvantage in a united Cyprus. The administrative and legal processess now are not what they once were , bearing in mind that 6 years prior to the invasion of 1974 no conflict erupted , why on earth would a conflict amongst Cypriots watched by Europe should be a threat now

Europe militaary wise is a non entity so its no use trying to sell that angle. As for the "RoC" being different from the discriminative stance of the past well we cases today where the outcome is indexed to an overall solution whereas GCs cases are tailor made to be give the green light. If you cant smell discrimiation you shoudl have your nose checked as it apears to eb disfunctional. Plus if I wanted to live in a GC state all I would have to do is move south to a foreign place where I do not know the language and am looked upon as an outsider.

The T/Cs would be a great deal better off financially and be in receipt of all the benefit entitlements , and very generous they are too , that all Cypriots now are

Provide examples?

The truth of the matter is that VP is NOT a Cypriot , he sees Turkey as his motherland and considers Limassol , Paphos and Stroumbi as foreign areas !!! In a nutshell VP hates the G/Cs and wants nothing whatsoever to do with them !

I do not know the places you quote in south Cyprus all I have really known is the TRNC which with all its faults I love. Yourside is foreign to me. I do not hate anyone but I agree that I do not trust GCs as far as I cna throw them and any union would have to incorporate safeguards and guarantees to makes sure they do not try to push Tcs to one side and turn the whole island into a GC state run by solely by GCs.

[GeorgeV97qaue]

VP you are a mug.

Just accept it your days of stealing GC land is over. What dim wit would now go and buy land in North Greek Cypriot Cyprus (Which is what it is). Turkeys game will be over shortly.

The EU has now taken the side of the GC's and will no longer accept your lies. We are now in the year 2009 not 1963. The greek cypriot has moved on from those dark days but it seems you havent. Even though you werent in Cyprus back then you seem to think you know everything.

Well you dont. I cant wait for the day when Greek Cypriots return to their homes and all the settlers are sent packing. If your not happy with that then I suggest you buy property in Turkey and go their as Cyprus is for all Cypriots and they should never be resticted from going anywhere on the island.

Lets take a look at what Turkey have done to gain GC's trust.

Occupy our land, Raped and killed thousands of GC's. Kidnapped Children in 1974 and sent them to Turkey. Turned our churches into Stables destroyed our grave yards and you say you fear us.

Absoloute ploker.

[yiannisP]

Not at all yiannis. I only wish more UK Cypriots were like you; and took the trouble to do what you're doing - in a considered way. We may have made further progress.

Letter has now been sent. Thanks everyone.

[suetoniuspaulinus]

It must be clear to All by now that the RoC cannot enforce their laws in the North which is why the case went to London in the first place. The "Aquis Communitaire " is suspended in TRNC. What will follow is very open to debate. But I will quote an old addage. "He who laughs last................... laughs the best"

[The Cypriot]

It must be clear to All by now that the RoC cannot enforce their laws in the North which is why the case went to London in the first place. The "Aquis Communitaire " is suspended in TRNC. What will follow is very open to debate. But I will quote an old addage. "He who laughs last................... laughs the best"

Who's laughing Sue?

The ongoing Cyprus tragedy – the seeds of which were sown in the 1950's – is no laughing matter. Geddit?

Only when justice is served, for all this island's people, only when the whole island is finally free from foreign exploitation, will there be rejoicing; on Cyprus and throughout the freedom loving world.

I hope you'll be laughing too. But if you laugh before, on some poor islander's tragic misfortune, I hope you choke on it.