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[Hermes]

Just stop for a moment and analyse it for what it is. This poor TC has been given a piece of land for the land that he has in the south. He waited for 30 years and decided to sell it. Do you blame him? How is this theft? This man’s land is being used by a GC as we speak. This is the most hypocritical situation and although I can understand the reaction of your more extreme elements, I find your reaction incredible.

It wasn't his land to sell in the first place. It was irresponsible of your leadership to allow him to do so. In fact, it encouraged him to do so which is worse. I'm sorry but there is no legal or moral case here. You cannot sell what doesn't belong to you. It's a basic principle of law. I'm surprised you think it could be otherwise. That is just the law of the jungle you are advocating.

[YFred]

Just stop for a moment and analyse it for what it is. This poor TC has been given a piece of land for the land that he has in the south. He waited for 30 years and decided to sell it. Do you blame him? How is this theft? This man’s land is being used by a GC as we speak. This is the most hypocritical situation and although I can understand the reaction of your more extreme elements, I find your reaction incredible.

It wasn't his land to sell in the first place. It was irresponsible of your leadership to allow him to do so. In fact, it encouraged him to do so which is worse. I'm sorry but there is no legal or moral case here. You cannot sell what doesn't belong to you. It's a basic principle of law. I'm surprised you think it could be otherwise. That is just the law of the jungle you are advocating.

Jungle rule? not at all. In war, we have agreements. Blame the two governments for dragging this for this long. Blaming the TC or the ormas's is just adding to the injustice. Unfortunatly there are those who belive that if the court say so it must be ok. I've lived long enough to see plenty of injustices in european courts as well as every where else.

[Viewpoint]

I think we have to counter and show GCs that these actions only harden the view of even the most tollerant TC, which in turn does nothing to help find an overall solution. The TCs are moving closer and closer to official union with Turkey, how would the GCs feel then? come claim your land which is now officially part of the country your GCs love and admire so much Turkey.

On the contrary, this judgement makes a solution more likely as there is now greater clarity over the property issue. Christofias cannot go against the ECJ decision. It is not in his power to negotiate away the property rights of the original legal owners. It never was.

Of course it will take time for the implications in the north to sink in. But if anything it will encourage the negotiations rather than bring them to an end. For those in the north who thought that they could just go it alone, it is a reminder that they need a settlement otherwise they face an uncertain future and continued illegality and pariah status in the eyes of the world community.

I disagree and think it will effect the talks negatively as we have heard in the TRNC views are hardening (arrival of UBP) and could mean the TCs walk away from the negotiating table, where would you bee then? no closer to getting your properties back but hey you have the chance of putting some Brit in jail for not paying you money or not having assets in the EU. ....viva la arrests.

[Viewpoint]

...The TCs are moving closer and closer to official union with Turkey, how would the GCs feel then?

I’m very curious to learn just how much “closer” Turkish Cypriots can possibly get with Turkey given that they’ve already done the full anal…

Marriage..

Right, so Turkey shows up one day at an EU meeting and says… “Just to let you guys know that we hereby officially announce our annexation of territory belonging to one of your member states… namely Cyprus!”

And then Barroso gets up, starts a standing ovation and offers Malta too!

Am I on the right track VP?

The EU dream has long passed for Turkey they practically declared this when they refused to open their ports to a country they do nto recognize unless the EU kept its promises. The lack of process in any of the chapters over the past 5 years isanother clear sign that Turkeys EU priorities are not high on their agenda. So annexation is a reality which could happen due to your own actions to trying to strangle the TCs into submission..ho yes we all know its out of love.

[Viewpoint]

YFred, are you willing to join your fellow Cypriots and fight to death for Cyprus' freedom?

The day RoC stops being racist and treats TCs equal in the eyes of the law, I will be right by your side, till that day arrives, I cannot join you.

RoC police and the justice system leave a hell of a lot to be desired.

Unless of course the first fight is to accomplish the above, and then I am with you.

Totally Agree.

[Hermes]

I disagree and think it will effect the talks negatively as we have heard in the TRNC views are hardening (arrival of UBP) and could mean the TCs walk away from the negotiating table, where would you bee then? no closer to getting your properties back but hey you have the chance of putting some Brit in jail for not paying you money or not having assets in the EU. ....viva la arrests.

There is nowhere for the Turkish Cypriots to go with a hard-line stance. Where has it got you after all these years? Isolation, uncertainty and illegality in the eyes of the international community. Especially now, with this latest judgement, your economy will face ruin and it exposes Turkey to the threat of more litigation.

Your only option is back to the negotiating table and to start thinking about how a united federal Cyprus will work within the framework of international law and the rights of all its citizens. The T/C dream of separation is over. You have nothing to fear from Greek Cypriots who are now part of the EU and are subject to its laws. That is all the protection you will need.

[Viewpoint]

I disagree and think it will effect the talks negatively as we have heard in the TRNC views are hardening (arrival of UBP) and could mean the TCs walk away from the negotiating table, where would you bee then? no closer to getting your properties back but hey you have the chance of putting some Brit in jail for not paying you money or not having assets in the EU. ....viva la arrests.

There is nowhere for the Turkish Cypriots to go with a hard-line stance. Where has it got you after all these years? Isolation, uncertainty and illegality in the eyes of the international community. Especially now, with this latest judgement, your economy will face ruin and it exposes Turkey to the threat of more litigation.

Your only option is back to the negotiating table and to start thinking about how a united federal Cyprus will work within the framework of international law and the rights of all its citizens. The T/C dream of separation is over. You have nothing to fear from Greek Cypriots who are now part of the EU and are subject to its laws. That is all the protection you will need.

And you expect us you take your word for it? Please dont be so naive or expect TCs to belive you, has we have said all along safeguards and guarantee under a BBF with politcal equality of the 2 founding states are vital to TCs.

The doom and gloom scenario GCs peddle has never worked you all know where our financial support comes from they have been doing it for 35 years and will continue to do it, the amount may change if there is a slowing down in our economy, as with the opening of the ports issue where GCs were convinced that Turkey whould choose the EU over us again Turkey will suprise you all and do whatever is neccesary to support the TRNC.

[Get Real!]

Christofias cannot go against the ECJ decision. It is not in his power to negotiate away the property rights of the original legal owners. It never was.

Very well said... it's what I've been saying for a long time that all this BBF, BBC, and any other undemocratic political arrangement, can NEVER be implemented in an EU country, or indeed without violating the UN Charter.

[Viewpoint]

Christofias cannot go against the ECJ decision. It is not in his power to negotiate away the property rights of the original legal owners. It never was.

Very well said... it's what I've been saying for a long time that all this BBF, BBC, and any other undemocratic political arrangement, can NEVER be implemented in an EU country, or indeed without violating the UN Charter.

Why? as we have said many times in the past but you choose to ignore GCs will also own property in the TC state under a BBF with political equality of the 2 states.

[Hermes]

And you expect us you take your word for it? Please dont be so naive or expect TCs to belive you, has we have said all along safeguards and guarantee under a BBF with politcal equality of the 2 founding states are vital to TCs.

Well you need to bring your ideas to the negotiating table and stop your bullshit demands expecting G/Cs to give up their legal and property rights. Any BBF will be subject to EU and international law with only limited derogations. You cannot get away from that.

You need to realise that Turkey can't help you anymore. It has thrown everything at the "TRNC" but all the roads are now closed: legally, diplomatically and financially. It's over. Either you stand on your own feet in a federal Cyprus or you face economic ruin and isolation. Which is it to be?