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[Viewpoint]

Just to add to the above post, I think it is about time that TCs accept that rights come alongside obligations... I am afraid that the young generation of TCs has been brought up in an environment and in a culture that enbedded in their minds that they only have rights but no obligations. A TC so far can claim that:
a) he is a Turkish cititzen as he posseses a RoT passport
b) he is a Cypriot cititzen and hence an EU citizen as he posseses a RoC passport
c) he is a "trnc" citizen as he posseses a "trnc" passport

He can also claim:
a) that he is a owner of "exchange" land in the north
b) that he is the owner of TC land in the south

All the above contradict each other, you cannot choose and pick according to what suits you and really its a pity that the young TC generation is brought up in such a culture.
With the above said I do not mean that all the cases are the same as I have quite a few TC friends that are decent and honourable people. However, in my discussion with my TC friends it was obvious that this is one of their main concern about the dynamics in the TC community..

PS: YFred 3 years for the issuing of a kochan is the norm in RoC and believe me its all red tape (well and inefficiency of the Civil Service) and nothing more. I bought my flat in 2006 and still waiting for the title deeds..

Sorry, you misunderstood what I said. 3 years is not for issuing a kochan, its for checking that it exists.

You are a TC what do you expect? now GCs will make a ton of excuses and try and explain it away like they always do, they will never understand what its like being a TC under GC administration, that where the problem itself lays.

[Viewpoint]

VP you are wrong in saying that the RoC courts are discriminitive against TC. There have been cases where GC refugees have been evicted from TC peoperties in order for these to be returned to their rightful owners. The six month clause was set in order to ensure no double dipping takes place.
Now tell me that this is not fair, but hey please use constructive arguments and not bs..

How exactly does it stop double dipping could you kind clarify the details, would it be just quicker to ask the TCs in the north to confrim if they have already exchnaged the land in question?

[YFred]

VP you are wrong in saying that the RoC courts are discriminitive against TC. There have been cases where GC refugees have been evicted from TC peoperties in order for these to be returned to their rightful owners. The six month clause was set in order to ensure no double dipping takes place.
Now tell me that this is not fair, but hey please use constructive arguments and not bs..

How exactly does it stop double dipping could you kind clarify the details, would it be just quicker to ask the TCs in the north to confrim if they have already exchnaged the land in question?

VP you can't keep your deeds for lands in the south and take GC land in the north. It’s very easy they just have to ask for the deeds for the land in the south to be produced. This has nothing to do with double dipping. It’s to do with making it as difficult as possible. You have to live in the south in rented accommodation. Then of course you have to find a job that will pay enough to be able to afford a place to live. It’s very cleverly designed to make it look reasonable to argue in court but make it almost impossible. This is why there are so few cases of people doing that.

[Viewpoint]

VP you are wrong in saying that the RoC courts are discriminitive against TC. There have been cases where GC refugees have been evicted from TC peoperties in order for these to be returned to their rightful owners. The six month clause was set in order to ensure no double dipping takes place.
Now tell me that this is not fair, but hey please use constructive arguments and not bs..

How exactly does it stop double dipping could you kind clarify the details, would it be just quicker to ask the TCs in the north to confrim if they have already exchnaged the land in question?

VP you can't keep your deeds for lands in the south and take GC land in the north. It’s very easy they just have to ask for the deeds for the land in the south to be produced. This has nothing to do with double dipping. It’s to do with making it as difficult as possible. You have to live in the south in rented accommodation. Then of course you have to find a job that will pay enough to be able to afford a place to live. It’s very cleverly designed to make it look reasonable to argue in court but make it almost impossible. This is why there are so few cases of people doing that.

But surely with this orams development TCs will now challenge this discrimination and the number of claims will gradually increase, my father in law has land in the south we can start proceedings and the courts have to produce a verdict rather than defer until a solution is found.

[humanist]

Your father inlaws land in the South as I understand is available to him. Hec if you really want your so called freedom surely six months isn't a long time to be living somwhere so you can sell it off and settle in the occupied areas for ever, of course you will have to buy land from another TC in the occupied or free areas who wishes to sell to you.

I gather though that you and your father inlaw have calculated for the fact the their land in the south is worth a lot more than any land in the occupied areas of Cyprus and are holding onto it like a chicken with golden teeth

[Viewpoint]

Your father inlaws land in the South as I understand is available to him. Hec if you really want your so called freedom surely six months isn't a long time to be living somwhere so you can sell it off and settle in the occupied areas for ever, of course you will have to buy land from another TC in the occupied or free areas who wishes to sell to you.

I gather though that you and your father inlaw have calculated for the fact the their land in the south is worth a lot more than any land in the occupied areas of Cyprus and are holding onto it like a chicken with golden teeth

My family has land all over the south, so we are now considering contesting the 6 months hurdle as discrimination because it is not a demand on GCs only TCs and that GC do not have to go to court to sell their land, we will obviously be asking for damages as well. This is gonna get real messy now as the verdicts of racist courts in the south will be taken to the ECHR and srutinized everytime they attempt to judge dicriminatively against TCs.

[humanist]

VP go for it mate ..... it will be interesting as to how far it will go. Like I said I think your family is cluey enough to hold onto that land.

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VP go for it mate ..... it will be interesting as to how far it will go. Like I said I think your family is cluey enough to hold onto that land.

We are unlike some lucky and have not had to sell as we also have land in the north but there are thousands of TCs who had to exchnage/sell in order to live educate their children pay medical bills debts etc...life goes on even under inhumane embargoes and will keep going on no matter how many rulings or resolutions GCs collect..

[wallace]

VP go for it mate ..... it will be interesting as to how far it will go. Like I said I think your family is cluey enough to hold onto that land.

We are unlike some lucky and have not had to sell as we also have land in the north but there are thousands of TCs who had to exchnage/sell in order to live educate their children pay medical bills debts etc...life goes on even under inhumane embargoes and will keep going on no matter how many rulings or resolutions GCs collect..

I have to educate my children too. 1 is going to university next year. Difficult times.....does that give me the right now to sell your father in laws property?