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Re: Non-EU buyers not safe from long arm of ECJ ruling

Postby YFred » Sun May 03, 2009 3:33 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Piratis wrote:
Hermes wrote:Not often I find myself in agreement with the Cyprus Mail but they are spot on this time:

If Mr Talat’s vision of a settlement is one that rides roughshod over Greek Cypriot property rights, then he must realise that it will fail. If he feels so strongly that unscrupulous British buyers should have a right to plunder Greek Cypriot property, then it should fail.

If that is the premise on which he is negotiating, then the two sides are talking at cross-purposes, and the European Court ruling is indeed a blow to the entire process. But if he is genuine in his desire for a solution, he will realise that a solution must recognise the property rights of all Cypriots. He will not waste his sympathy on undeserving expats, he will play to the gallery for a week or two, and he will return to the process with ever-greater urgency, spurred by the realisation that a legal limbo can only be to the detriment of all.


I agree. And I will admit that this is a point I was trying to make here in the forum but couldn't put it as good as the author of this article.

Like Kafenes I also wonder why the author of the article is not listed.


He has been placed in the witness protection program for his safety.! :lol:

Yes, the truth hurts.
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Re: Non-EU buyers not safe from long arm of ECJ ruling

Postby Kikapu » Sun May 03, 2009 6:50 pm

YFred wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Piratis wrote:
Hermes wrote:Not often I find myself in agreement with the Cyprus Mail but they are spot on this time:

If Mr Talat’s vision of a settlement is one that rides roughshod over Greek Cypriot property rights, then he must realise that it will fail. If he feels so strongly that unscrupulous British buyers should have a right to plunder Greek Cypriot property, then it should fail.

If that is the premise on which he is negotiating, then the two sides are talking at cross-purposes, and the European Court ruling is indeed a blow to the entire process. But if he is genuine in his desire for a solution, he will realise that a solution must recognise the property rights of all Cypriots. He will not waste his sympathy on undeserving expats, he will play to the gallery for a week or two, and he will return to the process with ever-greater urgency, spurred by the realisation that a legal limbo can only be to the detriment of all.


I agree. And I will admit that this is a point I was trying to make here in the forum but couldn't put it as good as the author of this article.

Like Kafenes I also wonder why the author of the article is not listed.


He has been placed in the witness protection program for his safety.! :lol:

Yes, the truth hurts.


YFred,

Can I ask you a question.?

Why is it lately, that almost all of your posts are very irrelevant to what the topic is. In some strange way, you have picked up Zan's bad habits. It was a way for him to try and re-direct the topic or post another irrelevant "new" topic that had been discussed to death many times in the past, which you have been doing the same lately. I had some respect for you when you first joined the forum by being open minded, but lately, you have become very antagonistic with annoying topics and irrelevant posts, just as the one above which is hard to know what is it that you want to say. Speak up man. Don't talk in riddles like Zan did, or else, pretty soon, you will be labelled as Zan in disguise.!
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Re: Non-EU buyers not safe from long arm of ECJ ruling

Postby CBBB » Sun May 03, 2009 6:56 pm

Kikapu wrote:
YFred wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Piratis wrote:
Hermes wrote:Not often I find myself in agreement with the Cyprus Mail but they are spot on this time:

If Mr Talat’s vision of a settlement is one that rides roughshod over Greek Cypriot property rights, then he must realise that it will fail. If he feels so strongly that unscrupulous British buyers should have a right to plunder Greek Cypriot property, then it should fail.

If that is the premise on which he is negotiating, then the two sides are talking at cross-purposes, and the European Court ruling is indeed a blow to the entire process. But if he is genuine in his desire for a solution, he will realise that a solution must recognise the property rights of all Cypriots. He will not waste his sympathy on undeserving expats, he will play to the gallery for a week or two, and he will return to the process with ever-greater urgency, spurred by the realisation that a legal limbo can only be to the detriment of all.


I agree. And I will admit that this is a point I was trying to make here in the forum but couldn't put it as good as the author of this article.

Like Kafenes I also wonder why the author of the article is not listed.


He has been placed in the witness protection program for his safety.! :lol:

Yes, the truth hurts.


YFred,

Can I ask you a question.?

Why is it lately, that almost all of your posts are very irrelevant to what the topic is. In some strange way, you have picked up Zan's bad habits. It was a way for him to try and re-direct the topic or post another irrelevant "new" topic that had been discussed to death many times in the past, which you have been doing the same lately. I had some respect for you when you first joined the forum by being open minded, but lately, you have become very antagonistic with annoying topics and irrelevant posts, just as the one above which is hard to know what is it that you want to say. Speak up man. Don't talk in riddles like Zan did, or else, pretty soon, you will be labelled as Zan in disguise.!


Unfortunately Kikapu there are too many people who post irrelevancies to divert the substance of a thread, instead of discussing things in a reasonable and logical way.
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Re: Non-EU buyers not safe from long arm of ECJ ruling

Postby Kikapu » Sun May 03, 2009 7:07 pm

CBBB wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
YFred wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Piratis wrote:
Hermes wrote:Not often I find myself in agreement with the Cyprus Mail but they are spot on this time:

If Mr Talat’s vision of a settlement is one that rides roughshod over Greek Cypriot property rights, then he must realise that it will fail. If he feels so strongly that unscrupulous British buyers should have a right to plunder Greek Cypriot property, then it should fail.

If that is the premise on which he is negotiating, then the two sides are talking at cross-purposes, and the European Court ruling is indeed a blow to the entire process. But if he is genuine in his desire for a solution, he will realise that a solution must recognise the property rights of all Cypriots. He will not waste his sympathy on undeserving expats, he will play to the gallery for a week or two, and he will return to the process with ever-greater urgency, spurred by the realisation that a legal limbo can only be to the detriment of all.


I agree. And I will admit that this is a point I was trying to make here in the forum but couldn't put it as good as the author of this article.

Like Kafenes I also wonder why the author of the article is not listed.


He has been placed in the witness protection program for his safety.! :lol:

Yes, the truth hurts.


YFred,

Can I ask you a question.?

Why is it lately, that almost all of your posts are very irrelevant to what the topic is. In some strange way, you have picked up Zan's bad habits. It was a way for him to try and re-direct the topic or post another irrelevant "new" topic that had been discussed to death many times in the past, which you have been doing the same lately. I had some respect for you when you first joined the forum by being open minded, but lately, you have become very antagonistic with annoying topics and irrelevant posts, just as the one above which is hard to know what is it that you want to say. Speak up man. Don't talk in riddles like Zan did, or else, pretty soon, you will be labelled as Zan in disguise.!


Unfortunately Kikapu there are too many people who post irrelevancies to divert the substance of a thread, instead of discussing things in a reasonable and logical way.



Usually by those who refuses to face reality and facts. They somehow believe, that if they post irrelevant material to the topic, people will just go away from that thread. I can't understand their though process really. Zan was a master in posting irrelevant crap and would even copy paste material or open "new" topics that was done many times before, mostly by himself. YFred has picked up the same bad habit I'm afraid.
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Postby The Cypriot » Sun May 03, 2009 7:10 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Let the TC counter claims begin, the discrimination of the GC courts in the south will take them to the ECHR everytime they make a judgements linking the TCs property in the south to a comprehensive solution. Viva la legal system.


I agree. Let the rule of law apply equally throughout Cyprus.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun May 03, 2009 8:18 pm

The Cypriot wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Let the TC counter claims begin, the discrimination of the GC courts in the south will take them to the ECHR everytime they make a judgements linking the TCs property in the south to a comprehensive solution. Viva la legal system.


I agree. Let the rule of law apply equally throughout Cyprus.


Do you support that your courts link TC claims to their properties to find a solution rather than giving them restitution or compensation now?
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Re: Non-EU buyers not safe from long arm of ECJ ruling

Postby EricSeans » Sun May 03, 2009 8:30 pm

As in, tell the truth in the north of Cyprus and you can expect to be hurt?
YFred wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Piratis wrote:
Hermes wrote:Not often I find myself in agreement with the Cyprus Mail but they are spot on this time:

If Mr Talat’s vision of a settlement is one that rides roughshod over Greek Cypriot property rights, then he must realise that it will fail. If he feels so strongly that unscrupulous British buyers should have a right to plunder Greek Cypriot property, then it should fail.

If that is the premise on which he is negotiating, then the two sides are talking at cross-purposes, and the European Court ruling is indeed a blow to the entire process. But if he is genuine in his desire for a solution, he will realise that a solution must recognise the property rights of all Cypriots. He will not waste his sympathy on undeserving expats, he will play to the gallery for a week or two, and he will return to the process with ever-greater urgency, spurred by the realisation that a legal limbo can only be to the detriment of all.


I agree. And I will admit that this is a point I was trying to make here in the forum but couldn't put it as good as the author of this article.

Like Kafenes I also wonder why the author of the article is not listed.


He has been placed in the witness protection program for his safety.! :lol:

Yes, the truth hurts.
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Postby bill cobbett » Sun May 03, 2009 8:30 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
The Cypriot wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Let the TC counter claims begin, the discrimination of the GC courts in the south will take them to the ECHR everytime they make a judgements linking the TCs property in the south to a comprehensive solution. Viva la legal system.


I agree. Let the rule of law apply equally throughout Cyprus.


Do you support that your courts link TC claims to their properties to find a solution rather than giving them restitution or compensation now?


Any property owner has the right to enjoy their property.

Would you agree with this sentence VP?
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Postby YFred » Sun May 03, 2009 8:36 pm

bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
The Cypriot wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Let the TC counter claims begin, the discrimination of the GC courts in the south will take them to the ECHR everytime they make a judgements linking the TCs property in the south to a comprehensive solution. Viva la legal system.


I agree. Let the rule of law apply equally throughout Cyprus.


Do you support that your courts link TC claims to their properties to find a solution rather than giving them restitution or compensation now?


Any property owner has the right to enjoy their property.

Would you agree with this sentence VP?

Please explain how that works in the RoC when a GC applies for their property it leads to EU courts and when a TC applies he gets not until the solution. Is this the new EU way?
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Postby CBBB » Sun May 03, 2009 8:45 pm

YFred wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
The Cypriot wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Let the TC counter claims begin, the discrimination of the GC courts in the south will take them to the ECHR everytime they make a judgements linking the TCs property in the south to a comprehensive solution. Viva la legal system.


I agree. Let the rule of law apply equally throughout Cyprus.


Do you support that your courts link TC claims to their properties to find a solution rather than giving them restitution or compensation now?


Any property owner has the right to enjoy their property.

Would you agree with this sentence VP?

Please explain how that works in the RoC when a GC applies for their property it leads to EU courts and when a TC applies he gets not until the solution. Is this the new EU way?


I seem to think a number of TCs have been given their property back in the RoC when they had lived here for 6 months.
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