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[Hatter]

Ah, the welcome arms of the Greek! Yet another myth dispelled!

Remember this or write it down so you can read it (or have somebody read it to you) every now and then:

You voted to join the EU, you managed to cheat your way into it and now you have to suffer the concequences of being part of the EU. It is no longer a case of being able pick a bit you like and ignore the bits you don't anymore. Read a little of the constitution you have entered into and let it sink in slowly that any EU citizen from any part of the EU has the right to settle in any part of the EU. Like it or like it not you managed to convince the pratts in Belgum that the whole Island should be in the EU and so it is! It is just that the aquise is not applied to one third of it YET. However, conolisation has happened to everyone within the EU just by being part of it.

Would love to know which village you were born in and when - also which Brit aircraft was bombing you in Cyprus, who knows, it may have been me!

Ah, how quickly the veneer of disinterested openmindedness slips away! You hurl abusive and prejudiced comments like "... EU, you cheated your way into it ..." whilst you claim the moral high ground because of the so-called name calling on this forum? Oracle was right about your fraternising, otherwise where do you get such received "wisdom" from? Unless, of course, you can justify your claim that Cyprus cheated their way into the EU, in which case I would retract "prejudiced". So go on, zgn, enlighten us.

BTW, it was not some faceless bureaucrats in Brussels that were convinced, it was the governments of all the EU member states at the time, including the UK.

Any chance of a reply to the above, zgn?

[zgn]

Do you honestly think that the whole of Cyprus met the conditions of entry?

Conditions

Any European country could in theory apply to join the EU, at which point the Council, would consult Commission, and European Parliament on beginning accession negotiations. The council would either accept or reject the recommendation unanimously. In order to receive a positive recommendation the country would need to meet the following criteria:[10]
It must be a "European State"
It must respect the principles of liberty, democracy, respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms, and the rule of law.

In order to gain membership it must then:
Meet the following Copenhagen criteria established by the European Council in 1993:
Stability of institutions guaranteeing democracy, the rule of law, human rights and respect for and protection of minorities.
The existence of a functioning market economy as well as the capacity to cope with competitive pressure and market forces within the Union.
The ability to take on the obligations of membership including adherence to the aims of political, economic and monetary union.

In December 1995, the Madrid European Council revised the membership criteria to include conditions for member country integration through the appropriate adjustment of its administrative structures: since it is important that European Community legislation be reflected in national legislation, it is critical that the revised national legislation be implemented effectively through appropriate administrative and judicial structures.

Apart from all the bits regarding human rights and the protection of minorites the big lie and failure, which the EU found out about later but disregarded as it would have looked stupid:
"The existence of a functioning market economy as well as the capacity to cope with competitive pressure and market forces within the Union". The RoC fiscal state was not what it should have been - I know it and so do you.

[Hatter]

"The existence of a functioning market economy as well as the capacity to cope with competitive pressure and market forces within the Union". The RoC fiscal state was not what it should have been - I know it and so do you.

I know nothing of the sort, zgn. Would you care to give some evidence to support your view that "the RoC fiscal state was not what it should have been"?

[zgn]

Look into the reports issued by the EU themselves - it is all there in black and white but nobody in the RoC wishs to know about it. It is far easier for you to say you were properly elected into the EU - despite not having held a referendum as required - than it is to argue over how you were elected. Outside of Cyprus it is common knowledge that Cyprus should never have been elected to the EU whilst it remained in a divided state that is why the North voted to join and your political party of the time persuaded the South to vote against it.

How can you agree that you joined leagally when your own vote was against joining?

[Hatter]

Look into the reports issued by the EU themselves - it is all there in black and white but nobody in the RoC wishs to know about it. It is far easier for you to say you were properly elected into the EU - despite not having held a referendum as required - than it is to argue over how you were elected. Outside of Cyprus it is common knowledge that Cyprus should never have been elected to the EU whilst it remained in a divided state that is why the North voted to join and your political party of the time persuaded the South to vote against it.

How can you agree that you joined leagally when your own vote was against joining?

You are still not providing any evidence to back up your view. I challenge you to give a reference to an EU report that says that Cyprus became a member of the EU by cheating. Earlier you tried to justify your claim by saying that the RoC fiscal state was not what it should have been, and the only backup you can give to your generalising remark is some vague allusion to "EU reports". BTW, did you know that RoC is a net contributor to the EU?

I realise you are probably on a fishing expedition or perhaps you are trying to curry favour with your anatolian neighbours, or perhaps both, but on this forum if you wish to be taken seriously you have to backup your views or accept your errors. Changing the subject like you tried to do above will not work. I repeat: I challenge you to give a reference to an EU report that says that Cyprus became a member of the EU by cheating.

[zgn]

Just for you I will retract the word "cheating" and instead, because you obviously have no time nor interest in the debate that occurred world wide following the RoC entry to the EU. I will research the EU records on the entry of the RoC to the EU and why it was allowed, when the RoC did not meet the EU entry requirements.
This will take me some time as you obviously require irrefutable proof of any type of mistake that the RoC could possibly make. Not trying to change the subject at all and trying to have a reasonable and structured discussion.
I prefer to ask direct questions than "fish" as I have nothing to catch out there. As for Anatolian neighbours, I have become well aware of the position in which the members of this board place the Turkish people, but remind you that they are your neighbours as well. Despite this I have no need to curry favour with any of my neighbours.
Leave it with me please - I will get back to you.