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Loizidou vs Orams

Postby Viewpoint » Fri May 01, 2009 11:16 pm

Does everyone remember all the fuss about the ugly GC lady who won a case against Turkey that was going to change everything, what happened???

The same orgasmic jubiliation took place then as it did with the Orams clarification but was short lived and changed nothing in reality.
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Postby anna-sh » Fri May 01, 2009 11:29 pm

bit different VP, she didnt want her family house knocking down just compo from those occupying it,& it is still hers.. where as Mr A wants the house knocked down so he can do what he wants with HIS land..
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Postby YFred » Fri May 01, 2009 11:35 pm

anna-sh wrote:bit different VP, she didnt want her family house knocking down just compo from those occupying it,& it is still hers.. where as Mr A wants the house knocked down so he can do what he wants with HIS land..

What you want and what you get in life is two different things. If individuals need was over the society’s needs then we are back into jungle rule, I am afraid society comes first, and some will have to make some sacrifices for the good of whole

When it comes to this house, I can't see how it will be knocked down as the court agrees that they have no jurisdiction in TRNC.
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Re: Loizidou vs Orams

Postby T_C » Fri May 01, 2009 11:41 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Does everyone remember all the fuss about the ugly GC lady who won a case against Turkey that was going to change everything, what happened???

The same orgasmic jubiliation took place then as it did with the Orams clarification but was short lived and changed nothing in reality.


:shock: Ouch..!

I do remember the case though, and although I'm all for GCs getting all their properties back I just cannot see it ever happening with Turkey. :(

They have all types of resolutions, judgements and what not on their side but getting Turkey to move even an inch is going to come at a hefty price if the last 40 odd years is anything to go by. The only way I can ever see it happening is through an all out war...
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Re: Loizidou vs Orams

Postby Hermes » Fri May 01, 2009 11:57 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Does everyone remember all the fuss about the ugly GC lady who won a case against Turkey that was going to change everything, what happened???

The same orgasmic jubiliation took place then as it did with the Orams clarification but was short lived and changed nothing in reality.


Sema Sezer, the Cyprus expert for the Eurasian Strategic Research Center, or ASAM, described the court’s decision as the removal of Turkish Cypriot sovereignty over the northern part of the island. "This case will set a precedent and the cost will be incredible," she said, adding that the case was ignored until it was too late. She blamed Turkish Cypriot President Mehmet Ali Talat and his legal advisors for the decision.


http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/dome ... sp?gid=244
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Re: Loizidou vs Orams

Postby T_C » Sat May 02, 2009 12:08 am

Hermes wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Does everyone remember all the fuss about the ugly GC lady who won a case against Turkey that was going to change everything, what happened???

The same orgasmic jubiliation took place then as it did with the Orams clarification but was short lived and changed nothing in reality.


Sema Sezer, the Cyprus expert for the Eurasian Strategic Research Center, or ASAM, described the court’s decision as the removal of Turkish Cypriot sovereignty over the northern part of the island. "This case will set a precedent and the cost will be incredible," she said, adding that the case was ignored until it was too late. She blamed Turkish Cypriot President Mehmet Ali Talat and his legal advisors for the decision.


http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/dome ... sp?gid=244


Yes this is bad news for the TRNC but getting Turkey to up and leave is as unrealistic as getting GCs to sign away 36% of the island...unless through means of war...
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Re: Loizidou vs Orams

Postby YFred » Sat May 02, 2009 12:13 am

Hermes wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Does everyone remember all the fuss about the ugly GC lady who won a case against Turkey that was going to change everything, what happened???

The same orgasmic jubiliation took place then as it did with the Orams clarification but was short lived and changed nothing in reality.


Sema Sezer, the Cyprus expert for the Eurasian Strategic Research Center, or ASAM, described the court’s decision as the removal of Turkish Cypriot sovereignty over the northern part of the island. "This case will set a precedent and the cost will be incredible," she said, adding that the case was ignored until it was too late. She blamed Turkish Cypriot President Mehmet Ali Talat and his legal advisors for the decision.


http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/dome ... sp?gid=244

The stupidity, you will find in the EU. First accepting the GCs without an agreement, which now EU accepts was a mistake and now with this case, which gives nothing from TRNC and yet brings the government to the point of collapsing the talks.
Clever indeed, if they had any brains they would be furkin dangerous, please excuse my french.
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Re: Loizidou vs Orams

Postby Get Real! » Sat May 02, 2009 12:23 am

YFred wrote:The stupidity, you will find in the EU. First accepting the GCs without an agreement,

An agreement with who the TCs? Donktosh walked out! (sounds like a familiar "strategic" move doesn't it? :lol: )

which now EU accepts was a mistake

Incorrect. The only complaint came from Verhoigen whom the EU quickly disposed of. (for good reasons) :lol:
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Re: Loizidou vs Orams

Postby YFred » Sat May 02, 2009 12:31 am

Get Real! wrote:
YFred wrote:The stupidity, you will find in the EU. First accepting the GCs without an agreement,

An agreement with who the TCs? Donktosh walked out! (sounds like a familiar "strategic" move doesn't it? :lol: )

which now EU accepts was a mistake

Incorrect. The only complaint came from Verhoigen whom the EU quickly disposed of. (for good reasons) :lol:

There are those who say it and there are those who think it.
The agreement would have been with UN and Talat.
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Re: Loizidou vs Orams

Postby Get Real! » Sat May 02, 2009 12:49 am

YFred wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
YFred wrote:The stupidity, you will find in the EU. First accepting the GCs without an agreement,

An agreement with who the TCs? Donktosh walked out! (sounds like a familiar "strategic" move doesn't it? :lol: )

which now EU accepts was a mistake

Incorrect. The only complaint came from Verhoigen whom the EU quickly disposed of. (for good reasons) :lol:

There are those who say it and there are those who think it.
The agreement would have been with UN and Talat.

Talat? :? It was Donktosh and Clerides at the time... Cyprus' EU negotiations first started ages ago. There is a UN investigation that ultimately approves... I thought I posted that! :?
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