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[Hermes]

This is why I can't understand the decision of the court, this is not a clear case of stolen property, but then I found out that the two of the judges were GC, then it all makes sense.

Firstly, receiving stolen goods is still a crime. Claiming ignorance is no defence. Secondly, the court is composed of one judge per member state — currently 27 — although it normally hears cases in chambers of three, five or thirteen members. The court is led by a president who since 2003 has been Vassilios Skouris - who is Greek. The court acts as a collegial body: decisions are those of the court rather than of individual judges. Stop being paranoid!

[Viewpoint]

The stupidity, you will find in the EU. First accepting the GCs without an agreement, which now EU accepts was a mistake and now with this case, which gives nothing from TRNC and yet brings the government to the point of collapsing the talks.
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Firstly, admitting Cyprus into the EU was a strategic move designed to pressurise Turkey and validate the sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus. It has achieved everything it was set out to. If Cyprus was not in the EU, Turkey would not even be at the negotiating table. The only people lamenting Cyprus's entry into the EU are Turkey and its (few) supporters in the EU.

Secondly, you are right. This decision by the ECJ has undermined the "TRNC" and its negotiating position. But it will not collapse the talks as Turkey badly needs a deal. This case shows you why.

All in all, a resounding victory for the Greek Cypriots and a significant step in the long struggle to re-unite the country.

What difference will it make? will the GCs be any closer to getting the solution of their dreams? no imo the TC views have hardened and they will be even tougher at the negotiating table demandingall sorts of safeguards to stop the Gcs devious and manipulative ways.

I wonder how the tourism to the south will be affected this year after this publicity. We may actually get some extra tourists just to have a look at the house. Perhaps the Orams can charge for veiwing it and may be get their money back that way?

Now the Orams can go claim the Eşdeğer land in south Cyprusand offset it against any loss they may incurr who knows they may even make a profit.

This is why I can't understand the decision of the court, this is not a clear case of stolen property, but then I found out that the two of the judges were GC, then it all makes sense.

Now we know how could these judges remain unbiased and not work to sway the other judges?? Once again they have gotten their own people to take the decision in their direction lets hope the Brits now outwit the GCs and place a clause linking the verdict to a comprehensive solution.

[YFred]

This is why I can't understand the decision of the court, this is not a clear case of stolen property, but then I found out that the two of the judges were GC, then it all makes sense.

Firstly, receiving stolen goods is still a crime. Claiming ignorance is no defence. Secondly, the court is composed of one judge per member state — currently 27 — although it normally hears cases in chambers of three, five or thirteen members. The court is led by a president who since 2003 has been Vassilios Skouris - who is Greek. The court acts as a collegial body: decisions are those of the court rather than of individual judges. Stop being paranoid!

Come on, this is not a stolen property. This was an esdeger for lost property in the south. So now, the GCs have this TCs property in the south and the North, where is the fairness in that, and please don't insult me any further by saying he can claim his land from the south. Ask some forumers to see what they experince in the hands of the RoC. Three years to establish if a EU TC kotchan exists or not. Who is the Crypto-Pseudo-State here.

[Hermes]

IMO admitting Cyprus in the EU was a strategic move designed to keep Turkey OUT of the EU by using the RoC as a pawn, and if we're lucky the judgement may pressure Turkey into wanting a solution in the first place...

I don't think the Europeans are that clever to hatch such a plan. This was definitely a GC plan to get into the EU and use the EU to extract maximum from Turkey.

Well done. At least you get it.

IMO it aint gona work noway nohow. The GCs underestimate the power the TC cause yields in Turkey, amongst the public and the powerful interests.

I don't think the G/Cs underestimate it at all. But we're counting on the Turks realising they've got nothing more to gain from continuing to occupy Cyprus. And more to lose. Frankly, how the Turks choose to sell a withdrawal from Cyprus is their business.

[YFred]

The stupidity, you will find in the EU. First accepting the GCs without an agreement, which now EU accepts was a mistake and now with this case, which gives nothing from TRNC and yet brings the government to the point of collapsing the talks.
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Firstly, admitting Cyprus into the EU was a strategic move designed to pressurise Turkey and validate the sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus. It has achieved everything it was set out to. If Cyprus was not in the EU, Turkey would not even be at the negotiating table. The only people lamenting Cyprus's entry into the EU are Turkey and its (few) supporters in the EU.

Secondly, you are right. This decision by the ECJ has undermined the "TRNC" and its negotiating position. But it will not collapse the talks as Turkey badly needs a deal. This case shows you why.

All in all, a resounding victory for the Greek Cypriots and a significant step in the long struggle to re-unite the country.

What difference will it make? will the GCs be any closer to getting the solution of their dreams? no imo the TC views have hardened and they will be even tougher at the negotiating table demandingall sorts of safeguards to stop the Gcs devious and manipulative ways.

I wonder how the tourism to the south will be affected this year after this publicity. We may actually get some extra tourists just to have a look at the house. Perhaps the Orams can charge for veiwing it and may be get their money back that way?

Now the Orams can go claim the Eşdeğer land in south Cyprusand offset it against any loss they may incurr who knows they may even make a profit.

This is why I can't understand the decision of the court, this is not a clear case of stolen property, but then I found out that the two of the judges were GC, then it all makes sense.

Now we know how could these judges remain unbiased and not work to sway the other judges?? Once again they have gotten their own people to take the decision in their direction lets hope the Brits now outwit the GCs and place a clause linking the verdict to a comprehensive solution.

If this will have substantial adverse effect in the north like the collapse of the construction industry which is being forcast and its the wish of the RoC I might add, the court in UK has it within its rights to say exactly that, and if they have any sense they will. But who knows anything is possible.

[Hermes]

Come on, this is not a stolen property. This was an esdeger for lost property in the south. So now, the GCs have this TCs property in the south and the North, where is the fairness in that, and please don't insult me any further by saying he can claim his land from the south. Ask some forumers to see what they experince in the hands of the RoC. Three years to establish if a EU TC kotchan exists or not. Who is the Crypto-Pseudo-State here.

Sorry, mate. The Greek Cypriot Courts have decided who the rightful owner is. End of. And they can enforce those judgements anywhere in Europe now. You see what a smart move it was for Cyprus to join the EU?

[YFred]

Come on, this is not a stolen property. This was an esdeger for lost property in the south. So now, the GCs have this TCs property in the south and the North, where is the fairness in that, and please don't insult me any further by saying he can claim his land from the south. Ask some forumers to see what they experince in the hands of the RoC. Three years to establish if a EU TC kotchan exists or not. Who is the Crypto-Pseudo-State here.

Sorry, mate. The Greek Cypriot Courts have decided who the rightful owner is. End of. And they can enforce those judgements anywhere in Europe now. You see what a smart move it was for Cyprus to join the EU?

That is the problem. This unacceptable to 99% of TCs. Square that circle then.

Good night.

[boomerang]

I think everyone missed the point here...the house will not get demolished but the Orams assets will be ceased in the UK...along with the assets with all the other scumbags...

and when there is a solution we can fix everything up..

Now the scumbags will get a taste of what it is like to lose something...

[Hermes]

That is the problem. This unacceptable to 99% of TCs. Square that circle then.

A thief always thinks the law is punishing him unjustly.

[boomerang]

Come on, this is not a stolen property. This was an esdeger for lost property in the south. So now, the GCs have this TCs property in the south and the North, where is the fairness in that, and please don't insult me any further by saying he can claim his land from the south. Ask some forumers to see what they experince in the hands of the RoC. Three years to establish if a EU TC kotchan exists or not. Who is the Crypto-Pseudo-State here.

Sorry, mate. The Greek Cypriot Courts have decided who the rightful owner is. End of. And they can enforce those judgements anywhere in Europe now. You see what a smart move it was for Cyprus to join the EU?

knucklehead is miles away in compehending anything thus rendering discussions with him fruitless...