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[Hermes]

The stupidity, you will find in the EU. First accepting the GCs without an agreement, which now EU accepts was a mistake and now with this case, which gives nothing from TRNC and yet brings the government to the point of collapsing the talks.
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Firstly, admitting Cyprus into the EU was a strategic move designed to pressurise Turkey and validate the sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus. It has achieved everything it was set out to. If Cyprus was not in the EU, Turkey would not even be at the negotiating table. The only people lamenting Cyprus's entry into the EU are Turkey and its (few) supporters in the EU.

Secondly, you are right. This decision by the ECJ has undermined the "TRNC" and its negotiating position. But it will not collapse the talks as Turkey badly needs a deal. This case shows you why.

All in all, a resounding victory for the Greek Cypriots and a significant step in the long struggle to re-unite the country.

[Viewpoint]

The stupidity, you will find in the EU. First accepting the GCs without an agreement, which now EU accepts was a mistake and now with this case, which gives nothing from TRNC and yet brings the government to the point of collapsing the talks.
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Firstly, admitting Cyprus into the EU was a strategic move designed to pressurise Turkey and validate the sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus. It has achieved everything it was set out to. If Cyprus was not in the EU, Turkey would not even be at the negotiating table. The only people lamenting Cyprus's entry into the EU are Turkey and its (few) supporters in the EU.

Secondly, you are right. This decision by the ECJ has undermined the "TRNC" and its negotiating position. But it will not collapse the talks as Turkey badly needs a deal. This case shows you why.

All in all, a resounding victory for the Greek Cypriots and a significant step in the long struggle to re-unite the country.

What difference will it make? will the GCs be any closer to getting the solution of their dreams? no imo the TC views have hardened making them more defensive and even tougher at the negotiating table demanding all sorts of safeguards to stop the GCs devious and manipulative ways.

[YFred]

The stupidity, you will find in the EU. First accepting the GCs without an agreement, which now EU accepts was a mistake and now with this case, which gives nothing from TRNC and yet brings the government to the point of collapsing the talks.
.

Firstly, admitting Cyprus into the EU was a strategic move designed to pressurise Turkey and validate the sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus. It has achieved everything it was set out to. If Cyprus was not in the EU, Turkey would not even be at the negotiating table. The only people lamenting Cyprus's entry into the EU are Turkey and its (few) supporters in the EU.

Secondly, you are right. This decision by the ECJ has undermined the "TRNC" and its negotiating position. But it will not collapse the talks as Turkey badly needs a deal. This case shows you why.

All in all, a resounding victory for the Greek Cypriots and a significant step in the long struggle to re-unite the country.

What difference will it make? will the GCs be any closer to getting the solution of their dreams? no imo the TC views have hardened and they will be even tougher at the negotiating table demandingall sorts of safeguards to stop the Gcs devious and manipulative ways.

I wonder how the tourism to the south will be affected this year after this publicity. We may actually get some extra tourists just to have a look at the house. Perhaps the Orams can charge for veiwing it and may be get their money back that way?

[Hermes]

What difference will it make? will the GCs be any closer to getting the solution of their dreams? no imo the TC views have hardened and they will be even tougher at the negotiating table demandingall sorts of safeguards to stop the Gcs devious and manipulative ways.

You can have all the safeguards you want as long as they comply with EU law. And we will demand the withdrawal of all Turkish troops, the majority of settlers and an end to Turkey's "guarantee". Have we got a deal?

[Viewpoint]

The stupidity, you will find in the EU. First accepting the GCs without an agreement, which now EU accepts was a mistake and now with this case, which gives nothing from TRNC and yet brings the government to the point of collapsing the talks.
.

Firstly, admitting Cyprus into the EU was a strategic move designed to pressurise Turkey and validate the sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus. It has achieved everything it was set out to. If Cyprus was not in the EU, Turkey would not even be at the negotiating table. The only people lamenting Cyprus's entry into the EU are Turkey and its (few) supporters in the EU.

Secondly, you are right. This decision by the ECJ has undermined the "TRNC" and its negotiating position. But it will not collapse the talks as Turkey badly needs a deal. This case shows you why.

All in all, a resounding victory for the Greek Cypriots and a significant step in the long struggle to re-unite the country.

What difference will it make? will the GCs be any closer to getting the solution of their dreams? no imo the TC views have hardened and they will be even tougher at the negotiating table demandingall sorts of safeguards to stop the Gcs devious and manipulative ways.

I wonder how the tourism to the south will be affected this year after this publicity. We may actually get some extra tourists just to have a look at the house. Perhaps the Orams can charge for veiwing it and may be get their money back that way?

Now the Orams can go claim the Eşdeğer land in south Cyprusand offset it against any loss they may incurr who knows they may even make a profit.

[YFred]

The stupidity, you will find in the EU. First accepting the GCs without an agreement, which now EU accepts was a mistake and now with this case, which gives nothing from TRNC and yet brings the government to the point of collapsing the talks.
.

Firstly, admitting Cyprus into the EU was a strategic move designed to pressurise Turkey and validate the sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus. It has achieved everything it was set out to. If Cyprus was not in the EU, Turkey would not even be at the negotiating table. The only people lamenting Cyprus's entry into the EU are Turkey and its (few) supporters in the EU.

Secondly, you are right. This decision by the ECJ has undermined the "TRNC" and its negotiating position. But it will not collapse the talks as Turkey badly needs a deal. This case shows you why.

All in all, a resounding victory for the Greek Cypriots and a significant step in the long struggle to re-unite the country.

What difference will it make? will the GCs be any closer to getting the solution of their dreams? no imo the TC views have hardened and they will be even tougher at the negotiating table demandingall sorts of safeguards to stop the Gcs devious and manipulative ways.

I wonder how the tourism to the south will be affected this year after this publicity. We may actually get some extra tourists just to have a look at the house. Perhaps the Orams can charge for veiwing it and may be get their money back that way?

Now the Orams can go claim the Eşdeğer land in south Cyprusand offset it against any loss they may incurr who knows they may even make a profit.

This is why I can't understand the decision of the court, this is not a clear case of stolen property, but then I found out that the two of the judges were GC, then it all makes sense.

[T_C]

IMO admitting Cyprus in the EU was a strategic move designed to keep Turkey OUT of the EU by using the RoC as a pawn, and if we're lucky the judgement may pressure Turkey into wanting a solution in the first place...

[Hermes]

We may actually get some extra tourists just to have a look at the house. Perhaps the Orams can charge for veiwing it and may be get their money back that way?

I wouldn't count on it.

[Hermes]

IMO admitting Cyprus in the EU was a strategic move designed to keep Turkey OUT of the EU by using the RoC as a pawn, and if we're lucky the judgement may pressure Turkey into wanting a solution in the first place...

Nothing can really stop Turkey joining the EU as long as it fulfills all the criteria of its candidacy. As you probably know, it has to fulfill certain conditions. In fact, Greece and Cyprus are amongst the strongest supporters of Turkey's candidacy. It's in their interest to see Turkey adapt to European values. Whether they can, or are prepared to, is another matter. But the door is open.

[YFred]

IMO admitting Cyprus in the EU was a strategic move designed to keep Turkey OUT of the EU by using the RoC as a pawn, and if we're lucky the judgement may pressure Turkey into wanting a solution in the first place...

I don't think the Europeans are that clever to hatch such a plan. This was definitely a GC plan to get into the EU and use the EU to extract maximum from Turkey. IMO it aint gona work noway nohow. The GCs underestimate the power the TC cause yields in Turkey, amongst the public and the powerful interests.
The day Argentina gives up on Malvinas, Turkey will give up on TCs.