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[Oracle]

One thing strikes me as odd.

There is talk at the moment about being more sympathetic to the TCs because a lot of them are supposedly Cryptic-Christians i.e. GCs or other Cypriot Christians, who converted and become Muslim, for various reasons.

But then, we have the TCs constantly reminding us that they are NOT religious.

So why would anyone bother to become a "Muslim", if even the TCs are not Muslim?

Surely if a Christian man or woman wanted to marry a Turk-Muslim, it would have been more likely that the Turk-Muslim would convert to Christianity to fit in, as he had less to lose, not being a devout follower of religion.

So who is lying?

1. Are the TCs more Muslim than they admit and not only hang on (cryptically) to their Islamic roots;

or

2. Are the GCs not as religious as they are constantly made out to be (for Turkish-political expediency), because so many of them were reputedly casting aside Christianity to become Muslims (and hence are now amongst our "brothers" the TCs languishing under Turkish Administration!)

Are the TCs Muslim or NOT?

How many TCs have converted to Christianity?

[eracles]

My own unproven tongue-in-cheek theory.
Religion used as a tool to hang on to Greek language, identity and culture, how else could have it survived for so long through so many occupations BUT lots of 'Greek' Cypriots converted to Islam cos they were cheap skate sell-outs looking for a better tax-rate.
That's why the TCs are conditioned to sell everything out to the Turks, obedient dogs on the look out for a bone to lick from the master. Cheers brothers!

[insan]

One thing strikes me as odd.

There is talk at the moment about being more sympathetic to the TCs because a lot of them are supposedly Cryptic-Christians i.e. GCs or other Cypriot Christians, who converted and become Muslim, for various reasons.

But then, we have the TCs constantly reminding us that they are NOT religious.

So why would anyone bother to become a "Muslim", if even the TCs are not Muslim?

Surely if a Christian man or woman wanted to marry a Turk-Muslim, it would have been more likely that the Turk-Muslim would convert to Christianity to fit in, as he had less to lose, not being a devout follower of religion.

So who is lying?

1. Are the TCs more Muslim than they admit and not only hang on (cryptically) to their Islamic roots;

or

2. Are the GCs not as religious as they are constantly made out to be (for Turkish-political expediency), because so many of them were reputedly casting aside Christianity to become Muslims (and hence are now amongst our "brothers" the TCs languishing under Turkish Administration!)

Are the TCs Muslim or NOT?

How many TCs have converted to Christianity?

Do u really cudgel ur brain on such issues or u r trying every possible way to pull TCs into GCs side for ur national cause?

Do u have to be such a ridiculos person, Uracle?

[insan]

My own unproven tongue-in-cheek theory.
Religion used as a tool to hang on to Greek language, identity and culture, how else could have it survived for so long through so many occupations BUT lots of 'Greek' Cypriots converted to Islam cos they were cheap skate sell-outs looking for a better tax-rate.
That's why the TCs are conditioned to sell everything out to the Turks, obedient dogs on the look out for a bone to lick from the master. Cheers brothers!

As simple as that in ur prejudiced mind?

[Oracle]

One thing strikes me as odd.

There is talk at the moment about being more sympathetic to the TCs because a lot of them are supposedly Cryptic-Christians i.e. GCs or other Cypriot Christians, who converted and become Muslim, for various reasons.

But then, we have the TCs constantly reminding us that they are NOT religious.

So why would anyone bother to become a "Muslim", if even the TCs are not Muslim?

Surely if a Christian man or woman wanted to marry a Turk-Muslim, it would have been more likely that the Turk-Muslim would convert to Christianity to fit in, as he had less to lose, not being a devout follower of religion.

So who is lying?

1. Are the TCs more Muslim than they admit and not only hang on (cryptically) to their Islamic roots;

or

2. Are the GCs not as religious as they are constantly made out to be (for Turkish-political expediency), because so many of them were reputedly casting aside Christianity to become Muslims (and hence are now amongst our "brothers" the TCs languishing under Turkish Administration!)

Are the TCs Muslim or NOT?

How many TCs have converted to Christianity?

Do u really cudgel ur brain on such issues or u r trying every possible way to pull TCs into GCs side for ur national cause?

Do u have to be such a ridiculos person, Uracle?

Thank you for the Turkish Nationalist view!

So this is just a ploy to make the TCs think they share kinship to GCs, is it?

And you worry that might make them give up the fight for joining with Mother -Turkey?

Because deep down inside they are really Christians who have converted to TC Muslimhood?

[insan]

One thing strikes me as odd.

There is talk at the moment about being more sympathetic to the TCs because a lot of them are supposedly Cryptic-Christians i.e. GCs or other Cypriot Christians, who converted and become Muslim, for various reasons.

But then, we have the TCs constantly reminding us that they are NOT religious.

So why would anyone bother to become a "Muslim", if even the TCs are not Muslim?

Surely if a Christian man or woman wanted to marry a Turk-Muslim, it would have been more likely that the Turk-Muslim would convert to Christianity to fit in, as he had less to lose, not being a devout follower of religion.

So who is lying?

1. Are the TCs more Muslim than they admit and not only hang on (cryptically) to their Islamic roots;

or

2. Are the GCs not as religious as they are constantly made out to be (for Turkish-political expediency), because so many of them were reputedly casting aside Christianity to become Muslims (and hence are now amongst our "brothers" the TCs languishing under Turkish Administration!)

Are the TCs Muslim or NOT?

How many TCs have converted to Christianity?

Do u really cudgel ur brain on such issues or u r trying every possible way to pull TCs into GCs side for ur national cause?

Do u have to be such a ridiculos person, Uracle?

Thank you for the Turkish Nationalist view!

So this is just a ploy to make the TCs think they share kinship to GCs, is it?

And you worry that might make them give up the fight for joining with Mother -Turkey?

Because deep down inside they are really Christians who have converted to TC Muslimhood?

As far as I know TCs, none of them cudgel their minds on issues like this. They don't care much abt religious issues. The fact is that no matter who our ancestors were or whether we r converted christians or not; we feel ourselves closer to Turkish speaking people. Got it? Or disappointed?

[YFred]

One thing strikes me as odd.

There is talk at the moment about being more sympathetic to the TCs because a lot of them are supposedly Cryptic-Christians i.e. GCs or other Cypriot Christians, who converted and become Muslim, for various reasons.

But then, we have the TCs constantly reminding us that they are NOT religious.

So why would anyone bother to become a "Muslim", if even the TCs are not Muslim?

Surely if a Christian man or woman wanted to marry a Turk-Muslim, it would have been more likely that the Turk-Muslim would convert to Christianity to fit in, as he had less to lose, not being a devout follower of religion.

So who is lying?

1. Are the TCs more Muslim than they admit and not only hang on (cryptically) to their Islamic roots;

or

2. Are the GCs not as religious as they are constantly made out to be (for Turkish-political expediency), because so many of them were reputedly casting aside Christianity to become Muslims (and hence are now amongst our "brothers" the TCs languishing under Turkish Administration!)

Are the TCs Muslim or NOT?

How many TCs have converted to Christianity?

I realised there was a thread coming on about me but really.

Just me, I am the only one that converted. No the muslims are not more than they admit. In Lurucina at peak we had 4000 people and about 20 attended for prayers and they were all crooks.

But I would appreciate it if you can find a picture of my cousin who's name is Andreas Mihail(Mustafa) from Anglisia brigade. Now he has done the opposite, he converted to Christianity for the same reasons. But the reason I think you may have a picture of him is that he used to be a member of first Eoka and then Eoka-b and for all I know now Eoka-c, judging by the hatred he has towards TCs. Just another Kikapu really. I am sure Kiks has also converted the reverse way, only joking Kiks baby.
Sorry E re clismos, we are not cheap skates. We charge good rates for our services. We certainly will not accept any bones, only meat of the fresh kind!

[eracles]

Hehe YFred, Insan, don't worry I'm not really prejudiced, just joking around and a little ignorant.
I would love to know how we came to be split up - I'm sure a lot of our roots are exactly the same.

[YFred]

No of course I know, I am joking too. But not about my cousin.

The real Cypriots do not have a problem with each other. I believe that the rivalry between America and Raymanof's country caused this problem, so they should pay what ever the cost is to correct it.

[T_C]

Maybe it's because those Christians who converted to Islam did so to evade the higher taxes and have over time become less religious than most other Cypriots? Though most TCs I've had this conversation with seem to think it was because of the British influence on the island...

Having said that there are still a lot of TCs who are religious to some degree. My neighbours for instance do not pray 5 times a day but come Ramadan you can be sure their whole family will fast.

I actually prefer TCs being this way as it's not too intrusive on peoples lives...