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[insan]

High Albania is one of these corners. I say High Albania advisedly, for the conditions that prevail in it are very different from those in South Albania, and it is with the wildest parts of High Albania alone that this book deals.

The history of Albania, a complicated tale of extreme interest, remains to be written–strange that it should be so. The claims of Greek, Bulgar, and Serb in the Balkan peninsula are well known; so are the desires of Austria, Russia, and Italy. But it has been the fashion always to ignore the rights and claims of the oldest inhabitant of the land, the Albanian, and every plan for the reformation or reconstruction of the Near East that has done so has failed.

"Constantinople," says the Albanian, "is the key of the Near East, and Albania is the key of Constantinople."

http://digital.library.upenn.edu/women/ ... bania.html

Weird... It seems like European laws don't work against a member of EU; Greece. It's been almost 45 years, when will the government of Greece restitute the lands and properties of Chamerians?

Americans are still seeking to prosecute Nazi solders that took part in heinous crimes. Did you know that? These Chams fought against the Greek State during WW II. They collaborated with fascist Italy and Nazi Germany.

Hmmm... hadn't all Cham suspects been arrested, tried by Greek government and punished?

They fled so i dont know what you are talking about being tried by the Greek government.

I don't think all chams collaborated with Nazis.

I dont care what you think.

Abt 13000 chams who allegedly collaborated with Nazis had been arrested and tried in Greece.

I didn't tell u to care abt what I think.

[Lit]

High Albania is one of these corners. I say High Albania advisedly, for the conditions that prevail in it are very different from those in South Albania, and it is with the wildest parts of High Albania alone that this book deals.

The history of Albania, a complicated tale of extreme interest, remains to be written–strange that it should be so. The claims of Greek, Bulgar, and Serb in the Balkan peninsula are well known; so are the desires of Austria, Russia, and Italy. But it has been the fashion always to ignore the rights and claims of the oldest inhabitant of the land, the Albanian, and every plan for the reformation or reconstruction of the Near East that has done so has failed.

"Constantinople," says the Albanian, "is the key of the Near East, and Albania is the key of Constantinople."

http://digital.library.upenn.edu/women/ ... bania.html

Weird... It seems like European laws don't work against a member of EU; Greece. It's been almost 45 years, when will the government of Greece restitute the lands and properties of Chamerians?

Americans are still seeking to prosecute Nazi solders that took part in heinous crimes. Did you know that? These Chams fought against the Greek State during WW II. They collaborated with fascist Italy and Nazi Germany.

Hmmm... hadn't all Cham suspects been arrested, tried by Greek government and punished?

They fled so i dont know what you are talking about being tried by the Greek government.

I don't think all chams collaborated with Nazis.

I dont care what you think.

Abt 13000 chams who allegedly collaborated with Nazis had been arrested and tried in Greece.

I didn't tell u to care abt what I think.

Provide a link that states 13,000 Chams who collaborated with the Nazis were arrested. I am curious to read the article Insan. Thanks.

[insan]

A few weeks ago, Shefki Hysa published an excellent book: "The diplomacy of self-denial", which raises many important issues of the Cham developments and author's personal attempts to keep up the Cham issue, the spirit of a maltreated, outraged and massacred population.

An unprecedented genocide was practiced over the Cham population at that time, when the Greek state didn't recognize people's rights and freedoms. The terrible crimes of Zerva bands and more, and the silence that the communist regime imposed in Albania, has been enough to press down the Cham population, especially that part of people, which was violently urged to migrate into Albania. It was difficult for the Chams to awake and the difficulties continue even today, after 18 years of democracy, because the politics of the Greek state and Albanian state, too, couldn't converge in a political solution for Cham's properties. When a right is denied for4 a long time, it's difficult to win it completely. Forgetting this issue was intentional and continues being so.

There are Chams in Albania and abroad, distinguished for their achievements in life. Chams are organized in associations, political parties and so on, and they are asking for their rights, which were negated to them in decades. They want back their property in Chameria, in that northwestern part of the neighboring country Greece, where the Chams have their lands. The Greek state isn't yet predisposed to accept the historical truth, although the Cham issue is known by the Greek historians and it is known by the international diplomacy, too, especially by the western countries, by USA and the European Union, which has even initiated a resolution in support of the Cham issue.


http://cokaj.shkoder.net/chameria.htm

[Lit]

A few weeks ago, Shefki Hysa published an excellent book: "The diplomacy of self-denial", which raises many important issues of the Cham developments and author's personal attempts to keep up the Cham issue, the spirit of a maltreated, outraged and massacred population.

An unprecedented genocide was practiced over the Cham population at that time, when the Greek state didn't recognize people's rights and freedoms. The terrible crimes of Zerva bands and more, and the silence that the communist regime imposed in Albania, has been enough to press down the Cham population, especially that part of people, which was violently urged to migrate into Albania. It was difficult for the Chams to awake and the difficulties continue even today, after 18 years of democracy, because the politics of the Greek state and Albanian state, too, couldn't converge in a political solution for Cham's properties. When a right is denied for4 a long time, it's difficult to win it completely. Forgetting this issue was intentional and continues being so.

There are Chams in Albania and abroad, distinguished for their achievements in life. Chams are organized in associations, political parties and so on, and they are asking for their rights, which were negated to them in decades. They want back their property in Chameria, in that northwestern part of the neighboring country Greece, where the Chams have their lands. The Greek state isn't yet predisposed to accept the historical truth, although the Cham issue is known by the Greek historians and it is known by the international diplomacy, too, especially by the western countries, by USA and the European Union, which has even initiated a resolution in support of the Cham issue.


http://cokaj.shkoder.net/chameria.htm

Its an Albanian Cham website.


Do you know that when the Chams fled, they were encouraged to do so by the Brit Military Mission in the Greek State? The Chams who collaborated with the Nazis werent all that popular with the allies.

[insan]

High Albania is one of these corners. I say High Albania advisedly, for the conditions that prevail in it are very different from those in South Albania, and it is with the wildest parts of High Albania alone that this book deals.

The history of Albania, a complicated tale of extreme interest, remains to be written–strange that it should be so. The claims of Greek, Bulgar, and Serb in the Balkan peninsula are well known; so are the desires of Austria, Russia, and Italy. But it has been the fashion always to ignore the rights and claims of the oldest inhabitant of the land, the Albanian, and every plan for the reformation or reconstruction of the Near East that has done so has failed.

"Constantinople," says the Albanian, "is the key of the Near East, and Albania is the key of Constantinople."

http://digital.library.upenn.edu/women/ ... bania.html

Weird... It seems like European laws don't work against a member of EU; Greece. It's been almost 45 years, when will the government of Greece restitute the lands and properties of Chamerians?

Americans are still seeking to prosecute Nazi solders that took part in heinous crimes. Did you know that? These Chams fought against the Greek State during WW II. They collaborated with fascist Italy and Nazi Germany.

Hmmm... hadn't all Cham suspects been arrested, tried by Greek government and punished?

They fled so i dont know what you are talking about being tried by the Greek government.

I don't think all chams collaborated with Nazis.

I dont care what you think.

Abt 13000 chams who allegedly collaborated with Nazis had been arrested and tried in Greece.

I didn't tell u to care abt what I think.

Provide a link that states 13,000 Chams who collaborated with the Nazis were arrested. I am curious to read the article Insan. Thanks.

Sorry, their numbers were 1930.

http://books.google.com.tr/books?id=05M ... &resnum=10

[Lit]

High Albania is one of these corners. I say High Albania advisedly, for the conditions that prevail in it are very different from those in South Albania, and it is with the wildest parts of High Albania alone that this book deals.

The history of Albania, a complicated tale of extreme interest, remains to be written–strange that it should be so. The claims of Greek, Bulgar, and Serb in the Balkan peninsula are well known; so are the desires of Austria, Russia, and Italy. But it has been the fashion always to ignore the rights and claims of the oldest inhabitant of the land, the Albanian, and every plan for the reformation or reconstruction of the Near East that has done so has failed.

"Constantinople," says the Albanian, "is the key of the Near East, and Albania is the key of Constantinople."

http://digital.library.upenn.edu/women/ ... bania.html

Weird... It seems like European laws don't work against a member of EU; Greece. It's been almost 45 years, when will the government of Greece restitute the lands and properties of Chamerians?

Americans are still seeking to prosecute Nazi solders that took part in heinous crimes. Did you know that? These Chams fought against the Greek State during WW II. They collaborated with fascist Italy and Nazi Germany.

Hmmm... hadn't all Cham suspects been arrested, tried by Greek government and punished?

They fled so i dont know what you are talking about being tried by the Greek government.

I don't think all chams collaborated with Nazis.

I dont care what you think.

Abt 13000 chams who allegedly collaborated with Nazis had been arrested and tried in Greece.

I didn't tell u to care abt what I think.

Provide a link that states 13,000 Chams who collaborated with the Nazis were arrested. I am curious to read the article Insan. Thanks.

Sorry, their numbers were 1930.

http://books.google.com.tr/books?id=05M ... &resnum=10

Ah, there is a big difference Insan from 1930 and what you stated which was 13,000, dont you agree?

Interesting Turkish book. Allow me to quote from it:

During the subsequent occupation of Greece by the Axis powers, Albanian speaking Muslims living in the Greek territory of Epirus (the Chams) collaborated with the invaders. They fought fiercely against the Greek partisans, who in 1944 were ordered by the allied forces to push them out of Greece and into Albania.

See what your book states? Why arent we reading these facts from the Cham websites that you are reproducing here? And the allied forces who ordered them out (as your book states) ... can you guess which countries ordered this?



thank you Insan,

In conclusion. The allied forces ordered the Chams, who were Nazi collaborators, to pack up and leave for their cruel crimes committed on Greek civilians and Greek partisans.

[insan]

High Albania is one of these corners. I say High Albania advisedly, for the conditions that prevail in it are very different from those in South Albania, and it is with the wildest parts of High Albania alone that this book deals.

The history of Albania, a complicated tale of extreme interest, remains to be written–strange that it should be so. The claims of Greek, Bulgar, and Serb in the Balkan peninsula are well known; so are the desires of Austria, Russia, and Italy. But it has been the fashion always to ignore the rights and claims of the oldest inhabitant of the land, the Albanian, and every plan for the reformation or reconstruction of the Near East that has done so has failed.

"Constantinople," says the Albanian, "is the key of the Near East, and Albania is the key of Constantinople."

http://digital.library.upenn.edu/women/ ... bania.html

Weird... It seems like European laws don't work against a member of EU; Greece. It's been almost 45 years, when will the government of Greece restitute the lands and properties of Chamerians?

Americans are still seeking to prosecute Nazi solders that took part in heinous crimes. Did you know that? These Chams fought against the Greek State during WW II. They collaborated with fascist Italy and Nazi Germany.

Hmmm... hadn't all Cham suspects been arrested, tried by Greek government and punished?

They fled so i dont know what you are talking about being tried by the Greek government.

I don't think all chams collaborated with Nazis.

I dont care what you think.

Abt 13000 chams who allegedly collaborated with Nazis had been arrested and tried in Greece.

I didn't tell u to care abt what I think.

Provide a link that states 13,000 Chams who collaborated with the Nazis were arrested. I am curious to read the article Insan. Thanks.

Sorry, their numbers were 1930.

http://books.google.com.tr/books?id=05M ... &resnum=10

Ah, there is a big difference Insan from 1930 and what you stated which was 13,000, dont you agree?

Interesting Turkish book. Allow me to quote from it:

During the subsequent occupation of Greece by the Axis powers, Albanian speaking Muslims living in the Greek territory of Epirus (the Chams) collaborated with the invaders. They fought fiercely against the Greek partisans, who in 1944 were ordered by the allied forces to push them out of Greece and into Albania.

See what your book states? Why arent we reading these facts from the Cham websites that you are reproducing here? And the allied forces who ordered them out (as your book states) ... can you guess which countries ordered this?



thank you Insan,

In conclusion. The allied forces ordered the Chams, who were Nazi collaborators, to pack up and leave for their cruel crimes committed on Greek civilians and Greek partisans.

It's not a Turkish book. It's written by Kosta Barjaba and Rusell King.

[Lit]

High Albania is one of these corners. I say High Albania advisedly, for the conditions that prevail in it are very different from those in South Albania, and it is with the wildest parts of High Albania alone that this book deals.

The history of Albania, a complicated tale of extreme interest, remains to be written–strange that it should be so. The claims of Greek, Bulgar, and Serb in the Balkan peninsula are well known; so are the desires of Austria, Russia, and Italy. But it has been the fashion always to ignore the rights and claims of the oldest inhabitant of the land, the Albanian, and every plan for the reformation or reconstruction of the Near East that has done so has failed.

"Constantinople," says the Albanian, "is the key of the Near East, and Albania is the key of Constantinople."

http://digital.library.upenn.edu/women/ ... bania.html

Weird... It seems like European laws don't work against a member of EU; Greece. It's been almost 45 years, when will the government of Greece restitute the lands and properties of Chamerians?

Americans are still seeking to prosecute Nazi solders that took part in heinous crimes. Did you know that? These Chams fought against the Greek State during WW II. They collaborated with fascist Italy and Nazi Germany.

Hmmm... hadn't all Cham suspects been arrested, tried by Greek government and punished?

They fled so i dont know what you are talking about being tried by the Greek government.

I don't think all chams collaborated with Nazis.

I dont care what you think.

Abt 13000 chams who allegedly collaborated with Nazis had been arrested and tried in Greece.

I didn't tell u to care abt what I think.

Provide a link that states 13,000 Chams who collaborated with the Nazis were arrested. I am curious to read the article Insan. Thanks.

Sorry, their numbers were 1930.

http://books.google.com.tr/books?id=05M ... &resnum=10

Ah, there is a big difference Insan from 1930 and what you stated which was 13,000, dont you agree?

Interesting Turkish book. Allow me to quote from it:

During the subsequent occupation of Greece by the Axis powers, Albanian speaking Muslims living in the Greek territory of Epirus (the Chams) collaborated with the invaders. They fought fiercely against the Greek partisans, who in 1944 were ordered by the allied forces to push them out of Greece and into Albania.

See what your book states? Why arent we reading these facts from the Cham websites that you are reproducing here? And the allied forces who ordered them out (as your book states) ... can you guess which countries ordered this?



thank you Insan,

In conclusion. The allied forces ordered the Chams, who were Nazi collaborators, to pack up and leave for their cruel crimes committed on Greek civilians and Greek partisans.

It's not a Turkish book. It's written by Kosta Barjaba and Rusell King.

In your link, i saw Turkish letters to the side of the site right below the book cover. That is why i thought it was a Turkish book.

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High Albania is one of these corners. I say High Albania advisedly, for the conditions that prevail in it are very different from those in South Albania, and it is with the wildest parts of High Albania alone that this book deals.

The history of Albania, a complicated tale of extreme interest, remains to be written–strange that it should be so. The claims of Greek, Bulgar, and Serb in the Balkan peninsula are well known; so are the desires of Austria, Russia, and Italy. But it has been the fashion always to ignore the rights and claims of the oldest inhabitant of the land, the Albanian, and every plan for the reformation or reconstruction of the Near East that has done so has failed.

"Constantinople," says the Albanian, "is the key of the Near East, and Albania is the key of Constantinople."

http://digital.library.upenn.edu/women/ ... bania.html

Weird... It seems like European laws don't work against a member of EU; Greece. It's been almost 45 years, when will the government of Greece restitute the lands and properties of Chamerians?

Americans are still seeking to prosecute Nazi solders that took part in heinous crimes. Did you know that? These Chams fought against the Greek State during WW II. They collaborated with fascist Italy and Nazi Germany.

Hmmm... hadn't all Cham suspects been arrested, tried by Greek government and punished?

They fled so i dont know what you are talking about being tried by the Greek government.

I don't think all chams collaborated with Nazis.

I dont care what you think.

Abt 13000 chams who allegedly collaborated with Nazis had been arrested and tried in Greece.

I didn't tell u to care abt what I think.

Provide a link that states 13,000 Chams who collaborated with the Nazis were arrested. I am curious to read the article Insan. Thanks.

Sorry, their numbers were 1930.

http://books.google.com.tr/books?id=05M ... &resnum=10

Ah, there is a big difference Insan from 1930 and what you stated which was 13,000, dont you agree?

Interesting Turkish book. Allow me to quote from it:

During the subsequent occupation of Greece by the Axis powers, Albanian speaking Muslims living in the Greek territory of Epirus (the Chams) collaborated with the invaders. They fought fiercely against the Greek partisans, who in 1944 were ordered by the allied forces to push them out of Greece and into Albania.

See what your book states? Why arent we reading these facts from the Cham websites that you are reproducing here? And the allied forces who ordered them out (as your book states) ... can you guess which countries ordered this?



thank you Insan,

In conclusion. The allied forces ordered the Chams, who were Nazi collaborators, to pack up and leave for their cruel crimes committed on Greek civilians and Greek partisans.

It's not a Turkish book. It's written by Kosta Barjaba and Rusell King.

Nonetheless it is an interesting book. Thank you for supplying the link.

[insan]

No problem. I'm off to bed. Have a nice day.