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[Kifeas]

My question to the many (so called) learned friends in this forum will be: DOES THAT MEAN THAT ALL PROPERTY ILLEGALY BUILT UPON TURKISH LAND IN THE SOUTH HAS TO BE DEMOLISHED TOO?

C'os if it does not, I am about to start a case against the Cyprus Government for doing exactly the same to my family's property in Alektora! And it is worth at least 10 times more than Oram's one! Let me see how the Greek Judge who is presiding over these hearings will wiggle out of that one!

What is it with all the GCs that make them think in terms of a single track! Re boys (and girls?) - thay have since invented Stereo, Quadrophonic and even Surround system with noise blasting out of at least half a dozen sources! WAKE UP FOR FLUCK's SAKE!

BigOz, I happen to know Greek Cypriot refugees living in Alektora village and thus get to visit the place once in a while. I have to tell you that you are a lier and not a single new house was build by GCs on any of the TC properties there! Show us from Google Earth the coordinates of your property in Alektora, in which a house or any other brick/cement construction (outside perhaps the occasional makeshift storage shanty, here and there) was built in your property, after 1974. I challenge you!

[YFred]

Evgaff? Some of you boys are "evinalarf" . I know I am....

Ye re Bullaga evgaf. Evgafın tavığı hikayesini duydumung re gumbaro hiç sen?

I haven't Insan, please tell us.

[Kikapu]

Does anyone know, it was not plucked out of the sky.....this figue is nearly always quoted and the GC leaders do not object. It has alway intrigued me to find out and meeting a friend who took part I asked and he explained the formula, the deciding factor was the state land which was the key, the 50% being allowed for the return of GCs wanting to reside in the TC state.

So what if the GC's choose not to live in the north state and want to remain in the south state with their land, does that not mean then, you can only have what GR has worked out for you, minus what ever percentage of land for all the TC's who will choose to live in the south state and not in the north state.!

60.9% - Greek/Armenian/Maronite Cypriots
12.3% - Turkish Cypriots
0.5% - Others
26.3% - State

Then…

a. Privately owned land: 100 - 26.3 = 73.7%

b. TC ethnic ratio: Based on private ownership strength…

(12.3 x 100) / 73.7 = 16.69%

c. TC share of State land: (16.69 x 26.3) / 100 = 4.39

d. Total TC land entitlement: 12.3+ 4.39 = 16.69%

Also, you were asking the question as to how many GC's will want to come and live under the TC administration but you got no answers. Can you give us some estimation as to how many GC's will come to live in the north.?

[Viewpoint]

Amongst other things, the events of this week have reaffirmed that any equation is a pollocks calculation.

One of the Realities on the Real Ground is that Legal property owners, as per the Legal Kochans, have free use of their property to do with it as they wish.

Can they come over and throw out the current occupants?

Respect for ownership (leaving aside double-dipping of course) works both ways as an increasing number of our northern friends who have reclaimed their lands in the Free Areas have shown us.

Let me try again will this ruling allow GCs to come to the TRNC and throw current occupants out and live in the north???

Yes your're very trying Vp. Where the feck is the tnct?

Do you fear that I'm a few steps closer to a Free Kyrenia this week?




(thanks z4)

Do any of you ever answer the questions asked, you al appear to be jokers, obviously you are chocking on this, after this ruling regarding the Orams can GCs march into the TRNC throw the current occupants out and reclaim the property?

Ill answer for you as it apears your are incapable of a straight answer...NO.

So whats changed?

Why are you avoiding answering my question vp?.......

Do you fear that I'm a few steps closer to a Free Kyrenia this week?

NO now your turn.

We're going to have to rename you VPinnochio ....

To answer your question - NO - cos some of us don't go around violently throwing people out in to the streets. We prefer the Courts to judge who is right and who is in the wrong and the Scamming Land Thieves in the Occupied North certainly got a beating this week didn't they????

So nothing will change, at last an honest answer.

I didn't say that nothing will change. Please stop putting words in other peoples' mouths But I gave you an honest answer.

You know an awful lot changed this week don't you VP? Why don't you admit it.

What has really changed? can you please clarify?

[Viewpoint]

My question to the many (so called) learned friends in this forum will be: DOES THAT MEAN THAT ALL PROPERTY ILLEGALY BUILT UPON TURKISH LAND IN THE SOUTH HAS TO BE DEMOLISHED TOO?

C'os if it does not, I am about to start a case against the Cyprus Government for doing exactly the same to my family's property in Alektora! And it is worth at least 10 times more than Oram's one! Let me see how the Greek Judge who is presiding over these hearings will wiggle out of that one!

What is it with all the GCs that make them think in terms of a single track! Re boys (and girls?) - thay have since invented Stereo, Quadrophonic and even Surround system with noise blasting out of at least half a dozen sources! WAKE UP FOR FLUCK's SAKE!

bigOz the courts in the south are GC and biased as was seen in the Yagmurlar village case' do you think they will give you a judgement and hen enforce it???

[Viewpoint]

My question to the many (so called) learned friends in this forum will be: DOES THAT MEAN THAT ALL PROPERTY ILLEGALY BUILT UPON TURKISH LAND IN THE SOUTH HAS TO BE DEMOLISHED TOO?

C'os if it does not, I am about to start a case against the Cyprus Government for doing exactly the same to my family's property in Alektora! And it is worth at least 10 times more than Oram's one! Let me see how the Greek Judge who is presiding over these hearings will wiggle out of that one!

What is it with all the GCs that make them think in terms of a single track! Re boys (and girls?) - thay have since invented Stereo, Quadrophonic and even Surround system with noise blasting out of at least half a dozen sources! WAKE UP FOR FLUCK's SAKE!

BigOz, I happen to know Greek Cypriot refugees living in Alektora village and thus get to visit the place once in a while. I have to tell you that you are a lier and not a single new house was build by GCs on any of the TC properties there! Show us from Google Earth the coordinates of your property in Alektora, in which a house or any other brick/cement construction (outside perhaps the occasional makeshift storage shanty, here and there) was built in your property, after 1974. I challenge you!

Whos land was the Church built on?

[Viewpoint]

Does anyone know, it was not plucked out of the sky.....this figue is nearly always quoted and the GC leaders do not object. It has alway intrigued me to find out and meeting a friend who took part I asked and he explained the formula, the deciding factor was the state land which was the key, the 50% being allowed for the return of GCs wanting to reside in the TC state.

So what if the GC's choose not to live in the north state and want to remain in the south state with their land, does that not mean then, you can only have what GR has worked out for you, minus what ever percentage of land for all the TC's who will choose to live in the south state and not in the north state.!

60.9% - Greek/Armenian/Maronite Cypriots
12.3% - Turkish Cypriots
0.5% - Others
26.3% - State

Then…

a. Privately owned land: 100 - 26.3 = 73.7%

b. TC ethnic ratio: Based on private ownership strength…

(12.3 x 100) / 73.7 = 16.69%

c. TC share of State land: (16.69 x 26.3) / 100 = 4.39

d. Total TC land entitlement: 12.3+ 4.39 = 16.69%

Also, you were asking the question as to how many GC's will want to come and live under the TC administration but you got no answers. Can you give us some estimation as to how many GC's will come to live in the north.?

The 50% state land split represents the portion of GC land that will remain in the TC state.

Imo no more than 40% will return but many will keep their peoperty rights.

[Kikapu]

Does anyone know, it was not plucked out of the sky.....this figue is nearly always quoted and the GC leaders do not object. It has alway intrigued me to find out and meeting a friend who took part I asked and he explained the formula, the deciding factor was the state land which was the key, the 50% being allowed for the return of GCs wanting to reside in the TC state.

So what if the GC's choose not to live in the north state and want to remain in the south state with their land, does that not mean then, you can only have what GR has worked out for you, minus what ever percentage of land for all the TC's who will choose to live in the south state and not in the north state.!

60.9% - Greek/Armenian/Maronite Cypriots
12.3% - Turkish Cypriots
0.5% - Others
26.3% - State

Then…

a. Privately owned land: 100 - 26.3 = 73.7%

b. TC ethnic ratio: Based on private ownership strength…

(12.3 x 100) / 73.7 = 16.69%

c. TC share of State land: (16.69 x 26.3) / 100 = 4.39

d. Total TC land entitlement: 12.3+ 4.39 = 16.69%

Also, you were asking the question as to how many GC's will want to come and live under the TC administration but you got no answers. Can you give us some estimation as to how many GC's will come to live in the north.?

The 50% state land split represents the portion of GC land that will remain in the TC state.

Imo no more than 40% will return but many will keep their peoperty rights.

So, 40% of 180,000 displaced GC refugees will return in your estimation, which will be around 70,000, therefore, you think the GC's will agree to give the north state 50% of all state land, additional 13% on top of TC's share of state land at approx. 4%, when 70,000 GC's only make up about 10% of all GC population. They may let you have an additional 2-3% more land on top of GR's figures of 16.69 to make it around 19-20%, but I can't see you getting more than that, and that is assuming that 70,000 GC's will want to live with you, and if not, then we are back to GR's figures of 16.69% minus departure of TC's from north to the south state.!

[Viewpoint]

Does anyone know, it was not plucked out of the sky.....this figue is nearly always quoted and the GC leaders do not object. It has alway intrigued me to find out and meeting a friend who took part I asked and he explained the formula, the deciding factor was the state land which was the key, the 50% being allowed for the return of GCs wanting to reside in the TC state.

So what if the GC's choose not to live in the north state and want to remain in the south state with their land, does that not mean then, you can only have what GR has worked out for you, minus what ever percentage of land for all the TC's who will choose to live in the south state and not in the north state.!

60.9% - Greek/Armenian/Maronite Cypriots
12.3% - Turkish Cypriots
0.5% - Others
26.3% - State

Then…

a. Privately owned land: 100 - 26.3 = 73.7%

b. TC ethnic ratio: Based on private ownership strength…

(12.3 x 100) / 73.7 = 16.69%

c. TC share of State land: (16.69 x 26.3) / 100 = 4.39

d. Total TC land entitlement: 12.3+ 4.39 = 16.69%

Also, you were asking the question as to how many GC's will want to come and live under the TC administration but you got no answers. Can you give us some estimation as to how many GC's will come to live in the north.?

The 50% state land split represents the portion of GC land that will remain in the TC state.

Imo no more than 40% will return but many will keep their peoperty rights.

So, 40% of 180,000 displaced GC refugees will return in your estimation, which will be around 70,000, therefore, you think the GC's will agree to give the north state 50% of all state land, additional 13% on top of TC's share of state land at approx. 4%, when 70,000 GC's only make up about 10% of all GC population. They may let you have an additional 2-3% more land on top of GR's figures of 16.69 to make it around 19-20%, but I can't see you getting more than that, and that is assuming that 70,000 GC's will want to live with you, and if not, then we are back to GR's figures of 16.69% minus departure of TC's from north to the south state.!

No deal' this maybe viable if total seperation were being negotiated by if a 2 state BBF solution then no chance.

[Kikapu]