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[RichardB]

Boomerang wrote

At the same time why was the tc owned land more expensive than the gc owned property in the occupied?...if the properties were on par then I could I agree with you, but that wasn't the case...they knew exactly what they were doing...

Spoton boomers I've made this point a couple of times today already in reply to those who have been defending the carpetbaggers who have been posting

[bill cobbett]

I guess somebody must have wrote this somewhere but I think it deserves its own thread! According to Candunas the lawyer of Apostolides there will be another case similar to Apostolides by the end of May. The case is with property in Karmi. So who is the next lucky bastard to have his life ruined because he was a selfish asshole and bought GC property in occupied Cyprus? Its like winning the lottery in reverse I want to see Talat playing tough some more and then there will be a lot more "winners" in his pseudo state

Sotos, I do not think there is a need to constantly go down to that level of expressions towards these people. After all, the majority of these people were also (primarily) mislead by their own government that failed to inform them properly -in fact it actually did quite the opposite, as well by the TC propaganda of the regime and the "developers" there. I insist that had the British governments been more honest and responsible, only very few of these people would have opted for "investing" in GC properties in the occupied north.

In one way quite right K. I have wanted to say this for a few days. The GB Foreign Office advice was very, very weak on the subject. It was strengthened a few months ago but is still pretty soft on the matter.

Indeed there may be a case for the Arams to sue the GB government for the inadequacy of its warning.

Having said this, they knew what they were doing so - no sympathy from me.

[Mr. T]

I guess somebody must have wrote this somewhere but I think it deserves its own thread! According to Candunas the lawyer of Apostolides there will be another case similar to Apostolides by the end of May. The case is with property in Karmi. So who is the next lucky bastard to have his life ruined because he was a selfish asshole and bought GC property in occupied Cyprus? Its like winning the lottery in reverse I want to see Talat playing tough some more and then there will be a lot more "winners" in his pseudo state

Sotos, I do not think there is a need to constantly go down to that level of expressions towards these people. After all, the majority of these people were also (primarily) mislead by their own government that failed to inform them properly -in fact it actually did quite the opposite, as well by the TC propaganda of the regime and the "developers" there. I insist that had the British governments been more honest and responsible, only very few of these people would have opted for "investing" in GC properties in the occupied north.

I would go on to say that whereas you are quite right, a much more important point in the buyers' decision process is that they are not used to not believing developers, estate agents and even moreso solicitors.
The UK equivalents of these so called professionals are heavily regulated and would quickly be weeded out by the likes of The Law Society
if they were to act dishonestly as is apparently more the norm in Cyprus (North and South).

[bill cobbett]

I must say I had never heard of Karmi before tonight. Seeing as we'll be hearing more about it in the future, there is a little about it here at the Occupied CY project.

http://www.kypros.org/Occupied_Cyprus/karmi/

[Mr. T]

When is the Brıtish Court going to pass judgement and when can they protest in the Lords? How long will all this take..thing the waiting list is 6 years.

There is really nothing to protest to the Lords. The ECJ judgment is binding, final and conclusive.

I think you will find that it IS NOT binding, final and conclusive and this is according to Phedon Nicolaides, Professor, European Institute of Public Administration, Maastricht, The Netherlands and others who I have a feeling have more of an idea of legal matters than you do.

The proverb 'Don't count your chickens before they hatch' is worth bearing in mind until this saga comes to a final conclusion. Shouting 'Victory' could yet make those who do so look very foolish indeed.

Even if the final outcome is the one you hope for please bear in mind that you may yet rue the day.

[donyork]

I am sure that George Arestis, the Greek Cypriot ECJ judge would have warmly congratulated the president of the court, the former Greek Minister of the Interior, Vassilios Skouris on this ruling. George Arestis is, of course, the husband of Myra Arestis, who took Turkey to the ECHR in a similar case and got herself a bundle.

[AWE]

just for info. but from memory in Karmi all the properties are only leasehold - I think that as the village was completely empty for many years and falling apart the TRNC allowed people to buy a long lease on condition that the house was restored properly.

[Sotos]

I guess somebody must have wrote this somewhere but I think it deserves its own thread! According to Candunas the lawyer of Apostolides there will be another case similar to Apostolides by the end of May. The case is with property in Karmi. So who is the next lucky bastard to have his life ruined because he was a selfish asshole and bought GC property in occupied Cyprus? Its like winning the lottery in reverse I want to see Talat playing tough some more and then there will be a lot more "winners" in his pseudo state

Sotos, I do not think there is a need to constantly go down to that level of expressions towards these people. After all, the majority of these people were also (primarily) mislead by their own government that failed to inform them properly -in fact it actually did quite the opposite, as well by the TC propaganda of the regime and the "developers" there. I insist that had the British governments been more honest and responsible, only very few of these people would have opted for "investing" in GC properties in the occupied north.

I disagree with you Kifeas...everyone knows buying stolen goods is illegal, and in actual fact the law gives a heavier sentence to the these people that to the actual thieves...ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law...

At the same time why was the tc owned land more expensive than the gc owned property in the occupied?...if the properties were on par then I could I agree with you, but that wasn't the case...they knew exactly what they were doing...

I agree with Boom. I can not believe somebody would buy a property and would not do even a bit of research about it. Anybody that says this is lying! When they did some research then they would have found what we are saying about this. And when the GC properties in occupied areas are sold so much cheaper than the TC properties then this is something that should make them realize that we are the ones who are saying the truth! Those people believed what suited them to believe! They believed the Turks and they didn't believe us because they are greedy scumbags!

[Sotos]

just for info. but from memory in Karmi all the properties are only leasehold - I think that as the village was completely empty for many years and falling apart the TRNC allowed people to buy a long lease on condition that the house was restored properly.

They are still using the property illegally. If they wanted to rent property that belongs to a GC then they should have rent it from the GC that owns it!

[Paphitis]

I guess somebody must have wrote this somewhere but I think it deserves its own thread! According to Candunas the lawyer of Apostolides there will be another case similar to Apostolides by the end of May. The case is with property in Karmi. So who is the next lucky bastard to have his life ruined because he was a selfish asshole and bought GC property in occupied Cyprus? Its like winning the lottery in reverse I want to see Talat playing tough some more and then there will be a lot more "winners" in his pseudo state

Sotos, I do not think there is a need to constantly go down to that level of expressions towards these people. After all, the majority of these people were also (primarily) mislead by their own government that failed to inform them properly -in fact it actually did quite the opposite, as well by the TC propaganda of the regime and the "developers" there. I insist that had the British governments been more honest and responsible, only very few of these people would have opted for "investing" in GC properties in the occupied north.

The British High Commission does provide the following warning to British Citizens who may plan to purchase property in occupied Cyprus.

The ownership of many properties is disputed in northern Cyprus, with many thousands of claims to ownership of properties from people displaced during the events of 1974. Purchase of these properties could have serious financial and legal implications. The European Court of Human Rights has ruled in a number of cases that owners of property in northern Cyprus prior to 1974 continue to be regarded as the legal owners of that property. Purchasers could face legal proceedings in the courts of the Republic of Cyprus, as well as attempts to enforce judgements from these courts elsewhere in the EU, including the UK. Property owners and potential purchasers should also consider that a future settlement of the Cyprus problem could have serious consequences for property they purchase (including the possible restitution of the property to its original owners). In particular, prospective purchasers should consider the implications of any future settlement on land / property:

* in the north that was Greek Cypriot owned
* that was subsequently classified as exchange land / property by the Turkish Cypriot "authorities"

Other than this, what else could Britain possibly do?

If British Citizens ignore these warnings and proceed to purchase GC land, then they are doing so understanding full well the risks involved and are in all likelihood doing it because the land is cheap as it attracts a certain amount of risk due to legitimate pre-invasion ownership.

Sorry Kifeas, but the Orams got what they deserved and hopefully there will be many more cases such as his in the ECJ. This applies to any EU citizen who has bought stolen GC land and not just the Brits.