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[Free Spirit]

What happened to the Turkish land in the South of Cyprus.?

Is Ali's Bar in Episkopi village still there and is it still run by Ali's descendents?

Turkish Cypriot land in the RoC remains the property of the registered legal owner , ie the T/C who has the legal deeds as issued by the RoC.
Their right to their property is above question. It is theirs and theirs only .
In view of the political situation the RoC government has made some important provisions regarding the acquisition of the right to property owned by T/Cs in that any T/C who owns land in the Republic and was not a Cypriot resident prior to the 1974 invasion may possess his property and dispose or retain without any legal constrains.
A T/C residing in the "trnc"who wishes to utilise his property in the RoC may do so by registering his wish to his property six months after becoming or rather reverting back to his original nationality as a Cypriot citizen.
Presumably the government wishes to avoid a situation where the T/C now living in the "trnc" ,more than likely in G/C owned property , does not become the "user " of both his own property and that of the displaced G/C in whose land or house the T/C is living.

Recently an old T/C that I know in South London , in his late 80s and in the UK prior to 1974 , sold property , land in the ROC in the sum of half a million pounds.
I believe Dinisazoglu knows of this man's family and may well be aware of the story I related above.

Many thanks John BTW I was told Paphos airport is built on Turkish land; is this so? can just imagine 'Little Arif' firing up his Kebab stand on the main runway.

[miltiades]

I dont know on whose land Paphos airport is built on , land presumably expropriated by the authorities following the legal avenues that all other world governments have to when private land is expropriated.
Dont tell me you know the Arifi brothers too , lovely bunch of fellows but I wouldn't mess around with them , they are ...deadly serious !
Sorry Huss just joking mate !!

[The Cypriot]

Dear Baroness Ludford

British MEP slams Orams Cyprus ruling

I refer to the article in today's Famagusta Gazette (see link above) reporting on your press release on the Orams/Apostolides case. I am taking the liberty of copying this email to Lynne Featherstone MP who I voted for in the last election and who has a large number of other constituents of Cypriot origin in the hope that she might take this serious matter up with your party leadership.

As a firm believer in the principles I thought your party adhered to I was dismayed that a prominent MEP such as yourself should publicly declare that a decision of the European Court of Justice (ECJ) – one enabling a Cypriot refugee to seek recourse from the opportunist buyers of his stolen property – was strange.

I was even more dismayed that a Liberal Democrat politician, specialising in human rights and justice, should have such a flawed understanding of the admittedly complex Cyprus problem. I should like therefore to point out some fundamental misperceptions you appear to have about Cyprus which may have led to your 'strange' declaration.

EU law is suspended in the north of Cyprus not simply because of the 'division of the island' – as you claim – but because the legitimate government of the entire territory is unable to exercise effective control there. This is due to Turkey's huge military presence. Only aggressive might therefore prevents a court judgement from being enforced on the island and so there can be no justifiable reason why a refugee victim of such might should not pursue justice in another part of the EU, where Turkey's military does not interfere with the rule of law.

This being so the only parties the ECJ judgment is likely to 'bewilder', aside from yourself, are:

a) Turkey, together with its subordinate regime, which since 1974 has adhered to the entirely 'anti-liberal' philosophy of 'might-is-right' in the north of Cyprus and which has encouraged the sale of stolen property belonging to refugees who fled their homes in fear of their lives;

b) Unscrupulous buyers of these stolen properties – now rendered entirely worthless by the ECJ decision.

In regards to the Annan Plan – which you're still harking back to a full five years after the event – you really ought to consider why the overwhelming majority of the people of Cyprus, taken as a whole, exercised their democratic right to reject it. A plan suddenly presented to them, after decades of intransigence by Turkey, with the aim of exonerating this invading power for its crimes, just before Cyprus – having met all the accession criteria – joined the EU.

It was rejected because it sought to restrict the rights of Cypriots to have their property restored and to settle freely within their own homeland. It was rejected because it would have entrenched a repulsive system of apartheid on a tiny island and legitimised the presence of foreign occupation troops in perpetuity. No freedom-loving people in Europe, or the world, would have accepted such a settlement – except perhaps through desperation of a kind faced by Cypriots in the north, isolated from the world and dominated by a foreign military.

That over 75% of the electorate in the area of Cyprus free from Turkey's iron grip said "No" is an irrefutable indicator of the plan's merits as an equitable solution. It's time you let it go.

While I agree with you that it is very important that the EU finally weighs in to help push forward a political settlement on the island it can only work and will only be acceptable to the majority of Cypriots if it is fully in accordance with EU laws and democratic principles – not a rehash of the totally discredited Annan Plan.

Unfortunately, such a settlement, by Cypriots and for Cypriots, is unlikely ever to be acceptable to Turkey, or the settlers it has imported to the island (now outnumbering indigenous Cypriots by 2 to 1 in the north); settlers who have been given the right by Turkey's subordinate regime to vote on any such settlement plan.

This is why Cypriot refugees feel they have no option but to pursue justice through the only means available to them, the EU courts.

And if you were true to your principles as a Liberal Democrat MEP, specialising in human rights and justice, you would support them.

An illiterate response from the Lib 'nice but' Dims

Dear Mr Cypriot

Thank you for your email and for your support for the Liberal Democats.
I am soy you did not eceive a reply to you previous email and I can only
assume this was a simple error - Sarah Ludfford is usually very go about
responding to everyone.
I will foward your email to sarah again and also to our second placed
candidate, Jonathan Fryer whom I'm sure will respond!
Best wishes

Flick Rea
Regional Administrator
London Liberal Democrats

[bill cobbett]

Yes anna-sh ... I am sure your suspicions must be correct. She has been woo-ed by the Turk-TCs for a number of years and frequently visits the occupied north with her TC 'friends' ...

It's obvious from how selectively misinformed she sounds in the Famagusta gazette that she is skilled with the use of the forked-tongue thanks to being taught by the master liars.

Baroness Sarah Ludford MEP and Cllr Meral Ece to visit Northern Cyprus
2.55.54pm GMT Tue 1st Feb 2005

Baroness Sarah Ludford MEP, Liberal Democrat Member of the European Parliament for London, is visiting Northern Cyprus this week to meet with representatives from politics, business and local government.

She will be accompanied by Councillor Meral Ece, a leading Liberal Democrat local councillor of Turkish-Cypriot background in the London Borough of Islington.

Baroness Ludford said: "It is extremely important that EU representatives including MEPs maintain dialogue with leaders and decision-makers in both parts of Cyprus in the aftermath of the referendum on the Annan plan, in order to work effectively towards re-unification of the island."

"Having been several times to Cyprus in the past, I am concentrating particularly in this visit on meeting opinion-formers in the North, specifically so I can learn about the issues in the forthcoming elections."

Cllr Ece added: "We must continue to do all that we can to bring Turkish Cypriots out of the economic and political isolation that they currently experience. I'm delighted about EU plans to facilitate trade and that the European Parliament endorsed the [b]giving of €259 million in financial support to the Turkish Cypriot community."

Note: Baroness Ludford and Cllr Ece will arrive on Friday morning, February 4th, and leave on the morning of Monday February 7th.[/b]

From her webpage.

I wonder whether the EP would still make over this money if the illegal authorites in tnuc-land showed any practical contempt for the ECJ/Harems judgement?



"BillC"!

"Yes mate"

"You can be a right shite-stirrer sometimes"

"Thanks mate"

[The Cypriot]

An illiterate response from the Lib 'nice but' Dims

Dear Mr Cypriot

Thank you for your email and for your support for the Liberal Democats.
I am soy you did not eceive a reply to you previous email and I can only
assume this was a simple error - Sarah Ludfford is usually very go about
responding to everyone.
I will foward your email to sarah again and also to our second placed
candidate, Jonathan Fryer whom I'm sure will respond!
Best wishes

Flick Rea
Regional Administrator
London Liberal Democrats

Letter to LibDem leader.......

Dear Mr Klegg

Please note, despite repeated requests for a response of some kind – over a month later – I have not even received an acknowledgment from Baroness Ludford (see original email below, also copied to my MP Lynne Featherstone, for whom I voted at the last general election).

I fully appreciate why the Baroness might be lost for words. I certainly would be. But, I'm sure you'd agree, such discourtesy from a LibDem MEP over such a serious issue – especially in the run up to a Euro election is worrying – especially at a time when politicians of all parties should be doing all they can to restore public confidence.

I draw this to your attention one final time, in the hope that, even at this late hour, you might restore my faith in at least one mainstream party.

A dismayed former LibDem supporter

[Oracle]

An illiterate response from the Lib 'nice but' Dims

Dear Mr Cypriot

Thank you for your email and for your support for the Liberal Democats.
I am soy you did not eceive a reply to you previous email and I can only
assume this was a simple error - Sarah Ludfford is usually very go about
responding to everyone.
I will foward your email to sarah again and also to our second placed
candidate, Jonathan Fryer whom I'm sure will respond!
Best wishes

Flick Rea
Regional Administrator
London Liberal Democrats

Letter to LibDem leader.......

Dear Mr Klegg

Please note, despite repeated requests for a response of some kind – over a month later – I have not even received an acknowledgment from Baroness Ludford (see original email below, also copied to my MP Lynne Featherstone, for whom I voted at the last general election).

I fully appreciate why the Baroness might be lost for words. I certainly would be. But, I'm sure you'd agree, such discourtesy from a LibDem MEP over such a serious issue – especially in the run up to a Euro election is worrying – especially at a time when politicians of all parties should be doing all they can to restore public confidence.

I draw this to your attention one final time, in the hope that, even at this late hour, you might restore my faith in at least one mainstream party.

A dismayed former LibDem supporter

I am in exactly the same boat May I copy your letter and send it, signed from me also, regarding my Lib Dem MP who has had my vote for over a dozen years ..... apart from tonight! ... I went Green.

[The Cypriot]

I am in exactly the same boat May I copy your letter and send it, signed from me also, regarding my Lib Dem MP who has had my vote for over a dozen years ..... apart from tonight! ... I went Green.

By all means! I went Green too!

[miltiades]

I went blue in the face .... with anger .Bloody crooks all of them !

[Floda]

I went blue in the face .... with anger .Bloody crooks all of them !

Yeah, and you nearly ended up BROWN last night when you flirted with Kamy.

[Oracle]

I am in exactly the same boat May I copy your letter and send it, signed from me also, regarding my Lib Dem MP who has had my vote for over a dozen years ..... apart from tonight! ... I went Green.

By all means! I went Green too!

Baby ... ... thank you!

Here's Nick Clegg's e-mail in case anybody else wants to complain:

[email protected]


I've heard there are at least two LibDem MPs with "homes" in the occupied north ... and we need to find out who they are!