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Postby boomerang » Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:46 pm

Paphitis wrote:
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Paphitis wrote:
boomerang wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
boomerang wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
boomerang wrote:
Lit wrote:
boomerang wrote:
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boomerang wrote:This thread should be renamed the assimilation of Cypriots by the Greeks...


The subject of this thread is accurate and should not be renamed.

From the Embassy of the Republic of Cyprus:
http://www.cyprusembassy.net/home/index ... page&pid=8

However the most important event in the history of Cyprus is the arrival of the Achaean settlers at the end of the 12th and during the 11th century B.C.

The new Greek settlers brought a new vigour to the already flourishing culture of the island by establishing new towns and by introducing the Greek language, new techniques in metallurgy, new artistic styles and even religious elements from the Greek world.

In the subsequent Geometric period the hellenization of Cyprus was completed and this is, most probably, the period of the establishment city kingdoms, which are well attested in written sources in the following Archaic and Classical periods.

Cyprus was well-known to the ancients for its copper mines and forests. No wonder its wealth made it the object of contest among the great powers of the Eastern Mediterranean in antiquity: the Assyrians, the Egyptians and the Persians, who in turn became its masters.

During the 5th century B.C. Athens played an important role in Cyprus, cooperating with the main cities of the island against the Persians. It was during this time that Evagoras of Salamis rose to power, a figure of worldwide radiance at the time. On the partition of the empire of Alexander the Great, who finally liberated the island from the Persians, Cyprus became one of the most significant parts of the empire of the Ptolemies of Egypt; later it came under the dominion of the Romans in 58 B.C. Both during the Ptolemies and later under the Romans, the Sanctuary of Aphrodite at Paphos was the centre of the national, religious and cultural life of the island. In 330 A.D. it became a province of the Byzantine Empire.



so nobody was here before the greeks came out here?

it somehow reminds me of when the brits came to australia...

according to you there was no assimilation...is this right?


I am simply providing you with what the Embassy of the Republic of Cyprus is officially stating. If you have any questions, contact the embassy.

BTW somebody tell the French in France that they are not really French but some prehistoric tribe called the Anooka Anooka tribe. Give me a break.


and 30 years ago the australian natives had no say in anything...simply put the white man was wrong as to what the embassy says today in Cyprus...

the day will come...don't you worry about that...


Aborigines have an equal say in Australian affairs as every other Australian citizen.

Are you insinuating that 0.54% of the Australian population is somehow going to take over the whole country?

Australians are not the direct descendants of the natives and only a small portion of the population can claim this inheritance.

The natives of Cyprus were overwhelmed with Phoenician and Hellenic migration just like the Australian aborigines were overwhelmed by European migration.


oh I see the aboriginals weren't overwhelmed...i missed this point :lol:

by the way I wasn't talking about today but 30 years ago...and further 70 years ago they were used as shooting practice and in tassie they were exterminated...

whats to say the greeks didn't do the same as they wrote the history in the first place... :lol:

aren't you complaining of the same history making as lies to what the turks are saying today?...so in 1000 years their history will be correct... judging by what you say...


Fucking hell Boomers. You better lay off the piss because I have no idea what the hell you are trying to say... :lol:

The Aborigines were overwhelmed with European migration and their treatment was at times quite brutal. We all know this.

The Eteocypriots were also overwhelmed with Phoenician and Hellenic migration and most of this thesis was not written by Greeks at all. It was mostly written by German, Swedish and British Archaeologists in the 19th Century after evaluating all the evidence collated from archaeological excavations of Hellenic and Eteocypriot settlements.


lay of the piss...well i just came from eating iskender... :lol: ...while introducing my customers to zivania... :lol:

so your story goes by what some people said in the 19th century?...hmmm interesting...where did they buy their crystal ball I wonder... :lol:


They dug it out from Salamina and Kition. :roll:


and what was there before?...martians?

so according to your logic in 2500 years from today there will be no mention of aboriginal people... :lol: ...because everything they will dig will be brit... :lol:


I don't know Boomers.

Why don't you prove to me the magnitude of the native Cypriot population prior to 1200BC.

Cyprus was mostly uninhabited until the influx of Phoenician and Hellenic settlers which then built their own settlements in Cyprus.


I think you have proven yourself your own point as soon as you said mostly uninhabited...so was australia when the brits came out here...see the connection?... :lol:
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Postby Paphitis » Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:47 pm

Just because there were Aboriginal tribes in Australia does not mean that Australians are direct descendants of these people and the same applies to Modern Cypriots.

Australians are the direct descendants of European settlers as Cypriots are also mostly the descendants of predominantly Mycenaean and Arcadian settlers.
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Postby boomerang » Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:50 pm

Paphitis wrote:Just because there were Aboriginal tribes in Australia does not mean that Australians are direct descendants of these people and the same applies to Modern Cypriots.

Australians are the direct descendants of European settlers as Cypriots are also mostly the descendants of predominantly Mycenaean and Arcadian settlers.


yes mate today you can say this...but here comes the but...what will history say in 3000 years?...

I like how you say mostly...whaty makes you say mostly...any figures perhaps, or you going by what someone says in the 19th century?


assimilation is assimilation either way you see it...mostly means there were others...perhaps the true cypriots...
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Postby Paphitis » Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:52 pm

boomerang wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
boomerang wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
boomerang wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
boomerang wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
boomerang wrote:
Lit wrote:
boomerang wrote:
Lit wrote:
boomerang wrote:This thread should be renamed the assimilation of Cypriots by the Greeks...


The subject of this thread is accurate and should not be renamed.

From the Embassy of the Republic of Cyprus:
http://www.cyprusembassy.net/home/index ... page&pid=8

However the most important event in the history of Cyprus is the arrival of the Achaean settlers at the end of the 12th and during the 11th century B.C.

The new Greek settlers brought a new vigour to the already flourishing culture of the island by establishing new towns and by introducing the Greek language, new techniques in metallurgy, new artistic styles and even religious elements from the Greek world.

In the subsequent Geometric period the hellenization of Cyprus was completed and this is, most probably, the period of the establishment city kingdoms, which are well attested in written sources in the following Archaic and Classical periods.

Cyprus was well-known to the ancients for its copper mines and forests. No wonder its wealth made it the object of contest among the great powers of the Eastern Mediterranean in antiquity: the Assyrians, the Egyptians and the Persians, who in turn became its masters.

During the 5th century B.C. Athens played an important role in Cyprus, cooperating with the main cities of the island against the Persians. It was during this time that Evagoras of Salamis rose to power, a figure of worldwide radiance at the time. On the partition of the empire of Alexander the Great, who finally liberated the island from the Persians, Cyprus became one of the most significant parts of the empire of the Ptolemies of Egypt; later it came under the dominion of the Romans in 58 B.C. Both during the Ptolemies and later under the Romans, the Sanctuary of Aphrodite at Paphos was the centre of the national, religious and cultural life of the island. In 330 A.D. it became a province of the Byzantine Empire.



so nobody was here before the greeks came out here?

it somehow reminds me of when the brits came to australia...

according to you there was no assimilation...is this right?


I am simply providing you with what the Embassy of the Republic of Cyprus is officially stating. If you have any questions, contact the embassy.

BTW somebody tell the French in France that they are not really French but some prehistoric tribe called the Anooka Anooka tribe. Give me a break.


and 30 years ago the australian natives had no say in anything...simply put the white man was wrong as to what the embassy says today in Cyprus...

the day will come...don't you worry about that...


Aborigines have an equal say in Australian affairs as every other Australian citizen.

Are you insinuating that 0.54% of the Australian population is somehow going to take over the whole country?

Australians are not the direct descendants of the natives and only a small portion of the population can claim this inheritance.

The natives of Cyprus were overwhelmed with Phoenician and Hellenic migration just like the Australian aborigines were overwhelmed by European migration.


oh I see the aboriginals weren't overwhelmed...i missed this point :lol:

by the way I wasn't talking about today but 30 years ago...and further 70 years ago they were used as shooting practice and in tassie they were exterminated...

whats to say the greeks didn't do the same as they wrote the history in the first place... :lol:

aren't you complaining of the same history making as lies to what the turks are saying today?...so in 1000 years their history will be correct... judging by what you say...


Fucking hell Boomers. You better lay off the piss because I have no idea what the hell you are trying to say... :lol:

The Aborigines were overwhelmed with European migration and their treatment was at times quite brutal. We all know this.

The Eteocypriots were also overwhelmed with Phoenician and Hellenic migration and most of this thesis was not written by Greeks at all. It was mostly written by German, Swedish and British Archaeologists in the 19th Century after evaluating all the evidence collated from archaeological excavations of Hellenic and Eteocypriot settlements.


lay of the piss...well i just came from eating iskender... :lol: ...while introducing my customers to zivania... :lol:

so your story goes by what some people said in the 19th century?...hmmm interesting...where did they buy their crystal ball I wonder... :lol:


They dug it out from Salamina and Kition. :roll:


and what was there before?...martians?

so according to your logic in 2500 years from today there will be no mention of aboriginal people... :lol: ...because everything they will dig will be brit... :lol:


I don't know Boomers.

Why don't you prove to me the magnitude of the native Cypriot population prior to 1200BC.

Cyprus was mostly uninhabited until the influx of Phoenician and Hellenic settlers which then built their own settlements in Cyprus.


I think you have proven yourself your own point as soon as you said mostly uninhabited...so was australia when the brits came out here...see the connection?... :lol:


The only connection I see is that Australia is predominantly European and not Aboriginal.

The same applies to Cyprus because you can not deny Cyprus' Hellenic inheritance just because their were a few hundred natives.

There were also pre history settlements in Greece dating back to 8,000BC but it does not change the fact that these people were largely assimilated amongst the Greek states as were the Cypriots.
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Postby Paphitis » Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:53 pm

boomerang wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Just because there were Aboriginal tribes in Australia does not mean that Australians are direct descendants of these people and the same applies to Modern Cypriots.

Australians are the direct descendants of European settlers as Cypriots are also mostly the descendants of predominantly Mycenaean and Arcadian settlers.


yes mate today you can say this...but here comes the but...what will history say in 3000 years?...

I like how you say mostly...whaty makes you say mostly...any figures perhaps, or you going by what someone says in the 19th century?


assimilation is assimilation either way you see it...mostly means there were others...perhaps the true cypriots...


In 3,000 years, Cyprus will be mostly Sri Lankan and Indian for all we know.

Who are the True Cypriots and who are the True Australians?
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Postby Get Real! » Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:54 pm

@Oracle, did you whack Paphitis on the head with a frying pan and how hard a whack was it? :D

@Paphitis, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU! The idiot of the year award is winging its way to you! :lol:

@Everyone:

This paper should be made compulsory reading for all Greek Cypriots!

Soon I'll be getting in touch with Natasha to praise her work, minus one or two errors she's made, and hopefully make her a member here even! :D
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Postby boomerang » Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:54 pm

Paphitis wrote:
boomerang wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
boomerang wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
boomerang wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
boomerang wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
boomerang wrote:
Lit wrote:
boomerang wrote:
Lit wrote:
boomerang wrote:This thread should be renamed the assimilation of Cypriots by the Greeks...


The subject of this thread is accurate and should not be renamed.

From the Embassy of the Republic of Cyprus:
http://www.cyprusembassy.net/home/index ... page&pid=8

However the most important event in the history of Cyprus is the arrival of the Achaean settlers at the end of the 12th and during the 11th century B.C.

The new Greek settlers brought a new vigour to the already flourishing culture of the island by establishing new towns and by introducing the Greek language, new techniques in metallurgy, new artistic styles and even religious elements from the Greek world.

In the subsequent Geometric period the hellenization of Cyprus was completed and this is, most probably, the period of the establishment city kingdoms, which are well attested in written sources in the following Archaic and Classical periods.

Cyprus was well-known to the ancients for its copper mines and forests. No wonder its wealth made it the object of contest among the great powers of the Eastern Mediterranean in antiquity: the Assyrians, the Egyptians and the Persians, who in turn became its masters.

During the 5th century B.C. Athens played an important role in Cyprus, cooperating with the main cities of the island against the Persians. It was during this time that Evagoras of Salamis rose to power, a figure of worldwide radiance at the time. On the partition of the empire of Alexander the Great, who finally liberated the island from the Persians, Cyprus became one of the most significant parts of the empire of the Ptolemies of Egypt; later it came under the dominion of the Romans in 58 B.C. Both during the Ptolemies and later under the Romans, the Sanctuary of Aphrodite at Paphos was the centre of the national, religious and cultural life of the island. In 330 A.D. it became a province of the Byzantine Empire.



so nobody was here before the greeks came out here?

it somehow reminds me of when the brits came to australia...

according to you there was no assimilation...is this right?


I am simply providing you with what the Embassy of the Republic of Cyprus is officially stating. If you have any questions, contact the embassy.

BTW somebody tell the French in France that they are not really French but some prehistoric tribe called the Anooka Anooka tribe. Give me a break.


and 30 years ago the australian natives had no say in anything...simply put the white man was wrong as to what the embassy says today in Cyprus...

the day will come...don't you worry about that...


Aborigines have an equal say in Australian affairs as every other Australian citizen.

Are you insinuating that 0.54% of the Australian population is somehow going to take over the whole country?

Australians are not the direct descendants of the natives and only a small portion of the population can claim this inheritance.

The natives of Cyprus were overwhelmed with Phoenician and Hellenic migration just like the Australian aborigines were overwhelmed by European migration.


oh I see the aboriginals weren't overwhelmed...i missed this point :lol:

by the way I wasn't talking about today but 30 years ago...and further 70 years ago they were used as shooting practice and in tassie they were exterminated...

whats to say the greeks didn't do the same as they wrote the history in the first place... :lol:

aren't you complaining of the same history making as lies to what the turks are saying today?...so in 1000 years their history will be correct... judging by what you say...


Fucking hell Boomers. You better lay off the piss because I have no idea what the hell you are trying to say... :lol:

The Aborigines were overwhelmed with European migration and their treatment was at times quite brutal. We all know this.

The Eteocypriots were also overwhelmed with Phoenician and Hellenic migration and most of this thesis was not written by Greeks at all. It was mostly written by German, Swedish and British Archaeologists in the 19th Century after evaluating all the evidence collated from archaeological excavations of Hellenic and Eteocypriot settlements.


lay of the piss...well i just came from eating iskender... :lol: ...while introducing my customers to zivania... :lol:

so your story goes by what some people said in the 19th century?...hmmm interesting...where did they buy their crystal ball I wonder... :lol:


They dug it out from Salamina and Kition. :roll:


and what was there before?...martians?

so according to your logic in 2500 years from today there will be no mention of aboriginal people... :lol: ...because everything they will dig will be brit... :lol:


I don't know Boomers.

Why don't you prove to me the magnitude of the native Cypriot population prior to 1200BC.

Cyprus was mostly uninhabited until the influx of Phoenician and Hellenic settlers which then built their own settlements in Cyprus.


I think you have proven yourself your own point as soon as you said mostly uninhabited...so was australia when the brits came out here...see the connection?... :lol:


The only connection I see is that Australia is predominantly European and not Aboriginal.

The same applies to Cyprus because you can not deny Cyprus' Hellenic inheritance just because their were a few hundred natives.

There were also pre history settlements in Greece dating back to 8,000BC but it does not change the fact that these people were largely assimilated amongst the Greek states as were the Cypriots.


you are too quickkk...i added to my post above yours...

now you say a few hundred....where did this few hundred come from?...crystal ball?... :lol:

who wrote the history?..and most importantly how was this established...
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Postby boomerang » Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:55 pm

Paphitis wrote:
boomerang wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Just because there were Aboriginal tribes in Australia does not mean that Australians are direct descendants of these people and the same applies to Modern Cypriots.

Australians are the direct descendants of European settlers as Cypriots are also mostly the descendants of predominantly Mycenaean and Arcadian settlers.


yes mate today you can say this...but here comes the but...what will history say in 3000 years?...

I like how you say mostly...whaty makes you say mostly...any figures perhaps, or you going by what someone says in the 19th century?


assimilation is assimilation either way you see it...mostly means there were others...perhaps the true cypriots...


In 3,000 years, Cyprus will be mostly Sri Lankan and Indian for all we know.


well atleast we will know what history has installed for us... :lol:
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Postby denizaksulu » Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:55 pm

Paphitis wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
boomerang wrote:
Lit wrote:
boomerang wrote:This thread should be renamed the assimilation of Cypriots by the Greeks...


The subject of this thread is accurate and should not be renamed.

From the Embassy of the Republic of Cyprus:
http://www.cyprusembassy.net/home/index ... page&pid=8

However the most important event in the history of Cyprus is the arrival of the Achaean settlers at the end of the 12th and during the 11th century B.C.

The new Greek settlers brought a new vigour to the already flourishing culture of the island by establishing new towns and by introducing the Greek language, new techniques in metallurgy, new artistic styles and even religious elements from the Greek world.

In the subsequent Geometric period the hellenization of Cyprus was completed and this is, most probably, the period of the establishment city kingdoms, which are well attested in written sources in the following Archaic and Classical periods.

Cyprus was well-known to the ancients for its copper mines and forests. No wonder its wealth made it the object of contest among the great powers of the Eastern Mediterranean in antiquity: the Assyrians, the Egyptians and the Persians, who in turn became its masters.

During the 5th century B.C. Athens played an important role in Cyprus, cooperating with the main cities of the island against the Persians. It was during this time that Evagoras of Salamis rose to power, a figure of worldwide radiance at the time. On the partition of the empire of Alexander the Great, who finally liberated the island from the Persians, Cyprus became one of the most significant parts of the empire of the Ptolemies of Egypt; later it came under the dominion of the Romans in 58 B.C. Both during the Ptolemies and later under the Romans, the Sanctuary of Aphrodite at Paphos was the centre of the national, religious and cultural life of the island. In 330 A.D. it became a province of the Byzantine Empire.



so nobody was here before the greeks came out here?

it somehow reminds me of when the brits came to australia...

according to you there was no assimilation...is this right?



Ethnic cleansing perhaps?

They will say they simply died out, which amounts to the same thing. :lol:


The Turks were not around at the time.

The few hundred native Cypriots just blended in and adopted Hellenic Culture and maintained it for 3500 years.



Well, that is what Boomers said. I agree with him-------for a change. :lol:
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Postby boomerang » Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:56 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
boomerang wrote:
Lit wrote:
boomerang wrote:This thread should be renamed the assimilation of Cypriots by the Greeks...


The subject of this thread is accurate and should not be renamed.

From the Embassy of the Republic of Cyprus:
http://www.cyprusembassy.net/home/index ... page&pid=8

However the most important event in the history of Cyprus is the arrival of the Achaean settlers at the end of the 12th and during the 11th century B.C.

The new Greek settlers brought a new vigour to the already flourishing culture of the island by establishing new towns and by introducing the Greek language, new techniques in metallurgy, new artistic styles and even religious elements from the Greek world.

In the subsequent Geometric period the hellenization of Cyprus was completed and this is, most probably, the period of the establishment city kingdoms, which are well attested in written sources in the following Archaic and Classical periods.

Cyprus was well-known to the ancients for its copper mines and forests. No wonder its wealth made it the object of contest among the great powers of the Eastern Mediterranean in antiquity: the Assyrians, the Egyptians and the Persians, who in turn became its masters.

During the 5th century B.C. Athens played an important role in Cyprus, cooperating with the main cities of the island against the Persians. It was during this time that Evagoras of Salamis rose to power, a figure of worldwide radiance at the time. On the partition of the empire of Alexander the Great, who finally liberated the island from the Persians, Cyprus became one of the most significant parts of the empire of the Ptolemies of Egypt; later it came under the dominion of the Romans in 58 B.C. Both during the Ptolemies and later under the Romans, the Sanctuary of Aphrodite at Paphos was the centre of the national, religious and cultural life of the island. In 330 A.D. it became a province of the Byzantine Empire.



so nobody was here before the greeks came out here?

it somehow reminds me of when the brits came to australia...

according to you there was no assimilation...is this right?



Ethnic cleansing perhaps?

They will say they simply died out, which amounts to the same thing. :lol:


The Turks were not around at the time.

The few hundred native Cypriots just blended in and adopted Hellenic Culture and maintained it for 3500 years.



Well, that is what Boomers said. I agree with him-------for a change. :lol:


ouch... :lol:
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