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The Hellenisation of Cyprus

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Postby denizaksulu » Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:21 pm

YFred wrote:
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Bravo, Fred... with such perfect command of Cypriot why are you golon-je-vrajin with Turkey?

We have no choice re gumbare. Give us a real choice and see who we choose. How may times do I have to say it for you to believe me?


Europe or Turkey. That's your choice, re gumbare. All those years ago your forefathers chose Islam ahead of Christianity because, you figured, that's the side your bread was best buttered. Why can't you choose wisely again now, for everyone's sake?

Gibreomu, it is only a rumour, there is no truth in that. Don't listen to certain elements on this forum. It is very difficult to choose RoC while it is suffocating us. TC will not choose unless friendship begins. The first step has to be removal of isolation, and you just will have to gamble that TCs will do the right thing. Can you not see that they are already with Turkey, given the choice why would they choose Turkey again. Unless they are very happy with the current situation. I do think you realise that majority TC are not happy with the status quo.


or any other band
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Catch-22!! damn Joseph Heller :twisted:
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Postby The Cypriot » Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:35 pm

YFred wrote: It will take at least 10 years of economic improvement in the north for the TCs to stand on their own two feet. The real union will happen then. Now it is simply going to be a pretend union for politics. We will have to depend on Turkey until then, unless of course you are willing to take the Turkish role for financing the north until the economy is raised to the standard it needs to be to support the TCS?


If it's a question of money, how much? Free Cyprus - with the EU's help - would find ways to finance, I'm certain. It's an investment, with major returns. Anything to get Turkey's military out of Cyprus.
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Postby YFred » Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:03 pm

The Cypriot wrote:
YFred wrote: It will take at least 10 years of economic improvement in the north for the TCs to stand on their own two feet. The real union will happen then. Now it is simply going to be a pretend union for politics. We will have to depend on Turkey until then, unless of course you are willing to take the Turkish role for financing the north until the economy is raised to the standard it needs to be to support the TCS?


If it's a question of money, how much? Free Cyprus - with the EU's help - would find ways to finance, I'm certain. It's an investment, with major returns. Anything to get Turkey's military out of Cyprus.

Solve that and you have solved the Cyprus problem.
Aprox 500 million YTL which must make about 200 million Euros for probaply 10 years till the TC economy can support itself and remove 35 years of embargo and lack of investmen.
There we'll have an agreement
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Postby The Cypriot » Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:07 pm

YFred wrote:
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YFred wrote: It will take at least 10 years of economic improvement in the north for the TCs to stand on their own two feet. The real union will happen then. Now it is simply going to be a pretend union for politics. We will have to depend on Turkey until then, unless of course you are willing to take the Turkish role for financing the north until the economy is raised to the standard it needs to be to support the TCS?


If it's a question of money, how much? Free Cyprus - with the EU's help - would find ways to finance, I'm certain. It's an investment, with major returns. Anything to get Turkey's military out of Cyprus.

Solve that and you have solved the Cyprus problem.
Aprox 500 million YTL which must make about 200 million Euros for probaply 10 years till the TC economy can support itself and remove 35 years of embargo and lack of investmen.
There we'll have an agreement


Is that 200 million euros per year, for 10 years, then? If so, I'll check with my investors.
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Postby YFred » Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:10 pm

The Cypriot wrote:
YFred wrote:
The Cypriot wrote:
YFred wrote: It will take at least 10 years of economic improvement in the north for the TCs to stand on their own two feet. The real union will happen then. Now it is simply going to be a pretend union for politics. We will have to depend on Turkey until then, unless of course you are willing to take the Turkish role for financing the north until the economy is raised to the standard it needs to be to support the TCS?


If it's a question of money, how much? Free Cyprus - with the EU's help - would find ways to finance, I'm certain. It's an investment, with major returns. Anything to get Turkey's military out of Cyprus.

Solve that and you have solved the Cyprus problem.
Aprox 500 million YTL which must make about 200 million Euros for probaply 10 years till the TC economy can support itself and remove 35 years of embargo and lack of investmen.
There we'll have an agreement


Is that 200 million euros per year, for 10 years, then? If so, I'll check with my investors.

Surely Mr EasyJet can find the money?
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Postby Nikitas » Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:13 pm

Catch22- the release is to find a way to lift isolation without granting any form of recognition.
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Postby YFred » Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:49 pm

Nikitas wrote:Catch22- the release is to find a way to lift isolation without granting any form of recognition.

Hırsız, hırsızlıktan korkar - A thief is afraid of thievery.
How true that is.
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Postby barouti » Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:37 pm

The Cypriot wrote:How uncultured and unworthy of you to resort to such cheap, childish and uncouth insults. You're a disgrace to the remote, distinctive, sometimes peculiar, ancient Hellenic traditions that you value so highly.


If anyone has proved themselves to be uncultured, unworthy, "uncouth" blah, blah, blah, it is clearly you. My donkey remark was in response to your own moronic reply to the facts I posted. That you cannot accept the facts presented you instead decided to bray like a donkey, hence why my comparison is very appropriate.

Now..

...enough sources have been provided in this thread to prove that Cyprus was colonized by Greeks rather then influenced by Greeks, hence how it became and has remained a Greek island since. But you continue to argue otherwise without providing any sources that prove otherwise. You merely choose to deny and mock the primary sources provided, which shows your own lack of cultural tact. And denying history is one of the hallmarks of a conspiracy theorists, as well as the basis of Ataturk’s Turkish History Thesis. So it’s no surprise you’re being cheered on by the Turks in this thread.

Anyway…

…unless you can provide a credible historical source that contradicts contemporary academia that Cyprus was not colonized by Greeks (my advise is don’t waste your time because one does not exist and even I cannot be that cruel and make you run around fruitlessly like a headless chook trying to find it) then any post you make claiming the opposite is just a moot point; it proves you really have no idea what you’re talking about. So whatever insult you throw at me just proves that’s all you have as counter arguments.

btw you have a Karagioze for an avatar...how appropriate.
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Postby barouti » Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:38 pm

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Postby Get Real! » Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:57 pm

barouti wrote:…unless you can provide a credible historical source that contradicts contemporary academia that Cyprus was not colonized by Greeks...

That’s the very problem! Nobody has provided any credible evidence that Cyprus is “Greek”, or that Greeks ever came here even!

Feel free to enlighten us in a new thread… :)
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