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[michalis5354]

What makes us Greek is the fact we speak Greek, are Greek Orthodox, and have an extremely similar, if not the same culture and customs as mainland Greeks as well as our own regional customs.

Genetics have nothing to do with being Greek.

language and religion alone does not tell anything .There are various examples accross the world who have same language and religion so find other reasons.

If genetics have nothing to do with being Greek then Zimabbowans and Nigerians are also Greek .

Language, religion, culture and custom is the ONLY thing can that determine race these days, and not some genetic biology because even Greeks from diferent regions are genetically not the same. There is no such thing as a pure Greek gene pool, but since your brain can't grasp this concept then I refer you to Oracle's post that proves Genetic similarities between Greeks, Sicilians, Cypriots and North Africans.

Yes my dear , it does seem absurd that people can draw parallels with the Greeks and Sicilians, when we argue so much about how Greek the Cypriots are, even though the similarities there, are so striking. You would think there was no foundation for a Greek-Sicilian link. Oh but look, some silly scientist has checked this out ....

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v17/ ... 8120a.html

"The genetic contribution of Greek chromosomes to the Sicilian gene pool is estimated to be about 37% whereas the contribution of North African populations is estimated to be around 6%."

.... even Cyprus gets a mention. The darling Cypriot, please have a glass of zivania to calm the nerves


(I can't access the paper I had in mind, but the above will do for now.)

And you are sure we have the same customs as Greeks ? We have our own traditional dancing , food , own customs. Visit one day the market and you may realise how different we are with Greeks regarding attitudes , behaviour living style !!!!BTW I have this talent to find who is Greek and who is a Cypriot from miles . Even Greeks can do this too.

[barouti]

And you are sure we have the same customs as Greeks ? We have our own traditional dancing , food , own customs. Visit one day the market and you may realise how different we are with Greeks regarding attitudes , behaviour living style !!!!BTW I have this talent to find who is Greek and who is a Cypriot from miles . Even Greeks can do this too.

This is a weak and very unconvincing argument. Different regions of Greece have different customs, foods, dances etc as well. Going by your view this would denote a different ethnos with each different prefecture. Come on now.

Away from the standard Evzone and foustanella, each region also has its own traditional costume. But just refer to the pic below and you’ll notice the uncanny resemblance between Cypriot, Pontian, Cretan and Aegean.



Btw do you know any Pontians? Their dialect sounds like a completely different language to me and most likely yourself. But try telling a Pontian they’re not really Greek. I can assure you’ll start running even before you finish your sentence.

Fine, you have your own country, flag and national identity. No one is arguing otherwise. Greeks have always expressed a strong regional loyalty. But to deny the same genos with the Elladites, especially by using Skopian-style denial and revisionism, makes for an absurd argument as well as makes you do stupid things:



Anyway, the national anthem of Cyprus is the Hymn of Liberty same as Greece’s, and you also celebrate 25th March. So whom I’m arguing with in this thread are actually a minority of GC’s . Because the world's best known Cypriot certainly knows what he is…



….as do the Greeks, both Elladites and Kyproi, who come out every year to support him at the Australian Open.



Btw, the only way I can differentiate between Elladites and Kyproi is by the accent when they speak Greek. I think this applies to most of us as well.

[EPSILON]

What makes us Greek is the fact we speak Greek, are Greek Orthodox, and have an extremely similar, if not the same culture and customs as mainland Greeks as well as our own regional customs.

Genetics have nothing to do with being Greek.

language and religion alone does not tell anything .There are various examples accross the world who have same language and religion so find other reasons.

If genetics have nothing to do with being Greek then Zimabbowans and Nigerians are also Greek .

Language, religion, culture and custom is the ONLY thing can that determine race these days, and not some genetic biology because even Greeks from diferent regions are genetically not the same. There is no such thing as a pure Greek gene pool, but since your brain can't grasp this concept then I refer you to Oracle's post that proves Genetic similarities between Greeks, Sicilians, Cypriots and North Africans.

Yes my dear , it does seem absurd that people can draw parallels with the Greeks and Sicilians, when we argue so much about how Greek the Cypriots are, even though the similarities there, are so striking. You would think there was no foundation for a Greek-Sicilian link. Oh but look, some silly scientist has checked this out ....

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v17/ ... 8120a.html

"The genetic contribution of Greek chromosomes to the Sicilian gene pool is estimated to be about 37% whereas the contribution of North African populations is estimated to be around 6%."

.... even Cyprus gets a mention. The darling Cypriot, please have a glass of zivania to calm the nerves


(I can't access the paper I had in mind, but the above will do for now.)

And you are sure we have the same customs as Greeks ? We have our own traditional dancing , food , own customs. Visit one day the market and you may realise how different we are with Greeks regarding attitudes , behaviour living style !!!!BTW I have this talent to find who is Greek and who is a Cypriot from miles . Even Greeks can do this too.

Likewise i can understand from miles who is from Rhodes and who is from Ipirus!!So what? It seems that either you are too young or either ......

[Paphitis]

….as do the Greeks, both Elladites and Kyproi, who come out every year to support him at the Australian Open.

Too right mate.

And I will be at the next Aussie Open myself.

C'mon Baghdatis...

[michalis5354]

And you are sure we have the same customs as Greeks ? We have our own traditional dancing , food , own customs. Visit one day the market and you may realise how different we are with Greeks regarding attitudes , behaviour living style !!!!BTW I have this talent to find who is Greek and who is a Cypriot from miles . Even Greeks can do this too.

This is a weak and very unconvincing argument. Different regions of Greece have different customs, foods, dances etc as well. Going by your view this would denote a different ethnos with each different prefecture. Come on now.

Away from the standard Evzone and foustanella, each region also has its own traditional costume. But just refer to the pic below and you’ll notice the uncanny resemblance between Cypriot, Pontian, Cretan and Aegean.



Btw do you know any Pontians? Their dialect sounds like a completely different language to me and most likely yourself. But try telling a Pontian they’re not really Greek. I can assure you’ll start running even before you finish your sentence.

Fine, you have your own country, flag and national identity. No one is arguing otherwise. Greeks have always expressed a strong regional loyalty. But to deny the same genos with the Elladites, especially by using Skopian-style denial and revisionism, makes for an absurd argument as well as makes you do stupid things:



Anyway, the national anthem of Cyprus is the Hymn of Liberty same as Greece’s, and you also celebrate 25th March. So whom I’m arguing with in this thread are actually a minority of GC’s . Because the world's best known Cypriot certainly knows what he is…



….as do the Greeks, both Elladites and Kyproi, who come out every year to support him at the Australian Open.



Btw, the only way I can differentiate between Elladites and Kyproi is by the accent when they speak Greek. I think this applies to most of us as well.

As long you dont use the majority to back your arguments then I have no problem with what you say as there is no evidence that the majority come from this ethnos as you suggest . Even the historians prove how the Godess of this island has been renamed as Aphrodite to make the island look more hellenic . When it was inhabited by many different races near the region . No one has proved so far that the island was empty when the Greek Imiigrants came to settle in so my argumenst are still valid.

The island was independent when coins were issued and coins had foreigned symbols not Greek Symbols If there were Greeks living why egyptians symbols were used.

[EPSILON]

The island was independent when coins were issued and coins had foreigned symbols not Greek Symbols If there were Greeks living why egyptians symbols were used.

Re esy Kypriotaki tis dekaras. afou den xereis giati den rotas?

[michalis5354]

Cyprus gained independence around 669/663. Cemeteries of this period are chiefly rock-cut tombs. They have been found, among others, at Tamassos, Soloi, Patriki and Trachonas. The rock-cut 'Royal' tombs at Tamassos, built ca. 600 BC imitate wooden houses. The pillars show Phoenician influence. Some graves contain remains of horses and chariots.

The main deity on the Island was the Great Goddess, Phoenician Astarte, later known under the Greek name of Aphrodite, who was called 'the Cypriote' by Homer. Paphian inscriptions call her the Queen. Pictures of Aphrodite appear on coins of Salamis as well, demonstrating that her cult was of more than local importance. The king of Paphos was high Priest of Aphrodite as well. Other Gods venerated were the Phoenician Anat, Baal, Eshmun, Reshef, Mikal and Melkart and the Egyptian Hathor, Thoeris, Bes and Ptah, as attested by amulets. Animal sacrifices are attested by terracotta-votives. The Sanctuary of Ayia Irini contained over 2000 figurines.

Some information about Astarte the godess of the island that was later known as Aphrodite :

Astarte is also known as Astarat and Astoreth. She is an incarnation of Ishtar and Inanna. This Semitic Goddess was worshipped by the Syrians, Canaanites (today called Palestinians), Phoenicians, Egyptians and other Semitic Tribes. King Solomon built a Temple to Her as Astoreth, near Jerusalem.

Astarte was worshipped as many things, to the Egyptians, She was honored as a Goddess of War and tenacity, to the Semites, She was a Goddess of Love and Fertility. Among the Greeks She was transposed into the Goddess of Love Aphrodite. In the Bible, She is referred to as "the abomination". Considering Her widespread devotion in Biblical times, the attempts to discredit the Goddess are not surprising.




http://www.spiralgoddess.com/Astarte.html

King Evelthon of Salamis (560 BC-525 BC), probably the first one to cast silver or bronze coins in Cyprus, shows a ram on the obverse and an "ankh" (Egyptian symbol of good luck) on the reverse.

An ankh look like this

The ankh was the Egyptian hieroglyphic character that read "eternal life", a triliteral sign for the consonants ˁ-n-ḫ. Egyptian gods are often portrayed carrying it by its loop, or bearing one in each hand, arms crossed over their chest. It is also known as the key of life, the key of the Nile, or as crux ansata, Latin for "cross with a handle".

If Cyprus gained Independence back in 669 as the above article suggest then it need to be treated like any other country in the world with own ethnicity not a Banana Dependent country .

[EPSILON]

Cyprus gained independence around 669/663. Cemeteries of this period are chiefly rock-cut tombs. They have been found, among others, at Tamassos, Soloi, Patriki and Trachonas. The rock-cut 'Royal' tombs at Tamassos, built ca. 600 BC imitate wooden houses. The pillars show Phoenician influence. Some graves contain remains of horses and chariots.

The main deity on the Island was the Great Goddess, Phoenician Astarte, later known under the Greek name of Aphrodite, who was called 'the Cypriote' by Homer. Paphian inscriptions call her the Queen. Pictures of Aphrodite appear on coins of Salamis as well, demonstrating that her cult was of more than local importance. The king of Paphos was high Priest of Aphrodite as well. Other Gods venerated were the Phoenician Anat, Baal, Eshmun, Reshef, Mikal and Melkart and the Egyptian Hathor, Thoeris, Bes and Ptah, as attested by amulets. Animal sacrifices are attested by terracotta-votives. The Sanctuary of Ayia Irini contained over 2000 figurines.

Some information about Astarte the godess of the island that was later known as Aphrodite :

Astarte is also known as Astarat and Astoreth. She is an incarnation of Ishtar and Inanna. This Semitic Goddess was worshipped by the Syrians, Canaanites (today called Palestinians), Phoenicians, Egyptians and other Semitic Tribes. King Solomon built a Temple to Her as Astoreth, near Jerusalem.

Astarte was worshipped as many things, to the Egyptians, She was honored as a Goddess of War and tenacity, to the Semites, She was a Goddess of Love and Fertility. Among the Greeks She was transposed into the Goddess of Love Aphrodite. In the Bible, She is referred to as "the abomination". Considering Her widespread devotion in Biblical times, the attempts to discredit the Goddess are not surprising.




http://www.spiralgoddess.com/Astarte.html

King Evelthon of Salamis (560 BC-525 BC), probably the first one to cast silver or bronze coins in Cyprus, shows a ram on the obverse and an "ankh" (Egyptian symbol of good luck) on the reverse.

An ankh look like this

The ankh was the Egyptian hieroglyphic character that read "eternal life", a triliteral sign for the consonants ˁ-n-ḫ. Egyptian gods are often portrayed carrying it by its loop, or bearing one in each hand, arms crossed over their chest. It is also known as the key of life, the key of the Nile, or as crux ansata, Latin for "cross with a handle".

If Cyprus gained Independence as the above article suggest then it need to be treated like any other country in the world with own ethnicity not a Banana Dependent country .

OK.Very good paid books and writers.But unfortunatetly for you and your clever internet sourses the Ethnicity of a population is not a subject of history itself but affect of the history. The result of the history is create an Ethnicity not the certain times of it. Greek Cypriots are Greeks -some times more and better Greeks than mainland - this is a fact which face the internal war because of certain policies and particularly because of certain foreign interests policies which paid and still pay lot of money to succeeed this distance between Cyprus and Hellenism - target is clear/ An Annan plan can be accepted by Cypriots in general but not by Greek Cypriots. Lets take the Greek out and we will have the signature of brothers (Turks/settlers/T/cs/G/cs) all are same just Cypriots therefore no problem-when we will succeed this everything will be clear in Cyprus.
Why they do not name us Elephants-all of us- just to save time and money- i do not know.

[Lit]

If Cyprus gained Independence back in 669 as the above article suggest then it need to be treated like any other country in the world with own ethnicity not a Banana Dependent country .

Are you claiming to now be a Phoenician or an Egyptian?

Phoenicians also made their way to Southern Crete. So what?

And many people have visited Cyprus... we have latins, Armenians, Maronites, Turkish Cypriots and we recognize them as such. No discrimination here. But there is also the majority who are Greek Cypriots and you must recognize that as well. Dont tell us how the majority of Cypriots think because you dont even live on this island.

[polis]

Cyprus gained independence around 669/663. Cemeteries of this period are chiefly rock-cut tombs. They have been found, among others, at Tamassos, Soloi, Patriki and Trachonas. The rock-cut 'Royal' tombs at Tamassos, built ca. 600 BC imitate wooden houses. The pillars show Phoenician influence. Some graves contain remains of horses and chariots.

If Cyprus gained Independence back in 669 as the above article suggest then it need to be treated like any other country in the world with own ethnicity not a Banana Dependent country .

Does the article have an author one can take seriously? Otherwise the discussion is pointless, don't you think?