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[T_C]

Politsa...

Little did he know why I was out digging a "whole"...Muhuhahahahahahaha....

[The Cypriot]

They were ACCUSTOMED (ie: adapted) to writing Greek in the syllabic script of Cyprus.

Makes perfect sense to me!

Shouldn't there be a rule prohibiting anyone with an IQ under 85 from contributing to the list on subjects other than how to swipe a street or dig a whole or whatever else these people are supposed to be doing in their daily lives?

I don't like the way you talk to T_C, who happens to be under my witness protection program Politsa, so for your punishment I'll now finish you off once and for all...

From the same link:

"As the Dark Age came to an end, this new writing system made its way from Cyprus to the Greek mainland, where people were illiterate, and it caught on. The Greeks of the homeland began to write again."

You dirty uneducated bastard!

Politsa...

Again!

Yes, the proto-Hellenic alphabet (pre-Cypriot influence), in common usage prior to the Dark Age, was as follows:

α - aghh
β - grrr
γ - ooh-ooh
ε - ugh
ζ - ugh
η - ugh
etc.

Notice the language appears to have got stuck on the same indiscernable grunting noises from Epsilon. But we knew that already.

[Paphitis]

What makes us Greek is the fact we speak Greek, are Greek Orthodox, and have an extremely similar, if not the same culture and customs as mainland Greeks as well as our own regional customs.

Genetics have nothing to do with being Greek.

language and religion alone does not tell anything .There are various examples accross the world who have same language and religion so find other reasons.

If genetics have nothing to do with being Greek then Zimabbowans and Nigerians are also Greek .

Language, religion, culture and custom is the ONLY thing can that determine race these days, and not some genetic biology because even Greeks from diferent regions are genetically not the same. There is no such thing as a pure Greek gene pool, but since your brain can't grasp this concept then I refer you to Oracle's post that proves Genetic similarities between Greeks, Sicilians, Cypriots and North Africans.

Yes my dear , it does seem absurd that people can draw parallels with the Greeks and Sicilians, when we argue so much about how Greek the Cypriots are, even though the similarities there, are so striking. You would think there was no foundation for a Greek-Sicilian link. Oh but look, some silly scientist has checked this out ....

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v17/ ... 8120a.html

"The genetic contribution of Greek chromosomes to the Sicilian gene pool is estimated to be about 37% whereas the contribution of North African populations is estimated to be around 6%."

.... even Cyprus gets a mention. The darling Cypriot, please have a glass of zivania to calm the nerves


(I can't access the paper I had in mind, but the above will do for now.)

[Paphitis]

You really have to understand GR's frustration. I mean in his genetic line, the first occurance of a written record were his own personal clumsy scribblings when he was discovered by civilisation, dragged out of his cave and forced to attend school.

Now you really got me Politsa...

Ever heard of a written historical record, GR, or are you so excited to trace your ancestry back to the Neanderthal you forgot that humans actually learned how to write?

You mean like the Greeks who got their education from the Cypriots?

"This has enormous implications for the history of the alphabet," Woodard says. "I think for the first time we can confidently pinpoint where the Greeks developed the alphabet, which has been a big unknown."



http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 151297.php

Let's have a closer look at your link and at Woodard's research.

A classics and linguistics scholar has found a bridge between the pre-alphabetic scripts of the ancient Greeks of Cyprus and the Greek alphabet

Woodard has made a link between the pre-alphabet scripts of the ancient Greeks of Cyprus (:lol:) and the Greek alphabet....

It has been well documented that the Greeks adapted the familiar script still used today from the alphabet of another people - the Phoenicians.

here he states that the Greeks adapted the familiar script from another people - The Phoenicians of Cyprus!

In it, Woodard, an associate professor of classics and linguistics, places the advent of the alphabet - which was eventually adapted by the Romans from the Greeks - within a continuum of Greek literacy beginning in the Mycenaean era, before 1400 B.C.

Using phonetic evidence, Woodard argues that the scribes who adapted the Greek alphabet from the Phoenician consonantal script were accustomed to writing Greek in the syllabic script of Cyprus.

"This has enormous implications for the history of the alphabet," Woodard said. "I think for the first time we can confidently pinpoint where the Greeks developed the alphabet, which has been a big unknown."

Woodard determined that certain characteristic features of the ancient Cypriot script - particularly its strategy for representing consonant sequences and elements of Cypriot Greek phonology - were transferred to the new alphabetic system.

Proposing a Cypriot origin of the alphabet clarifies several issues, such as the Greek use of Phoenician sibilant letters like "s."

But, Woodard said, "This adaptation process shows that the Greeks were drawing upon their present understanding of writing, and making the most natural use of the Phoenician characters."

The book further makes a case for how this new alphabet was rejected by the post-Bronze Age Mycenaean culture of Cyprus, but was exported west to the Aegean, where it gained a foothold among then-illiterate Greeks emerging from the Dark Age.

"The Greeks in Cyprus were émigrés living on the border of the Greek world and sought to preserve their own writing systems, so this wasn't accepted," Woodard said.

A few other scholars have speculated that the Greeks adopted the alphabet in Cyprus, but Greek Writing From Knossos to Homer is the first work to seriously develop the connections.

Woodard said the first evidence he found that established this "Cypriot connection" involved the letter "x."

Making your factoid a very unstable "house of cards"......

"When you think about it, it's strange we have this letter because almost everything for which you use 'x' could be written 'k+s,'" he said - with the exception of Greek words beginning with "x," which we pronounce with the "z" sound. "We acquired 'x' from the Romans, who acquired it from the Greeks."

Woodard argues that the letter "x" ended up in the Greek alphabet because the early syllabic script of the Cypriot Greeks had a set of symbols for "ks"-plus-vowel sounds. These symbols were necessary to write certain sounds in the Greek Cypriot dialect.

"The symbol (for 'ks') was introduced because the people who were responsible for adapting the Phoenician script were accustomed to writing in a script that had such a symbol," he said. "That's how I first made the link between the Cypriot script and the alphabet."

Woodard stumbled across this connection while trying to understand how the ancient Mycenaean Greek scribes wrote sequences of consonants. The earliest Greek scripts were syllabic scripts, meaning that each symbol represented a syllable rather than an individual consonant or vowel. The earliest Greek script - Linear B - stems from the Minoan civilization, which thrived on Crete. Indeed, Knossos is the major Mycenaean site of the earliest Greek writing, which dates at about 1400 B.C.

Eventually, this script evolved into another syllabic script - the Cypriot Syllabary - which was used by the Greeks of Cyprus and first appeared in the mid-11th century B.C. In both of these scripts, each symbol represented a consonant and vowel sequence.

WOODARD DISCOVERED that the Mycenaean Greek strategy of writing sequences of consonants used a sophisticated sonority hierarchy, in which consonants are ranked according to the amount of air obstruction that occurs when the sound is made. In linguistics, these sounds are known as stops, fricatives, nasals, liquids and glides. Under the strategy, when writing a sequence of two consonants, if the first consonant is equal to or higher than the second, the first consonant is written; otherwise it is not.

A similar system was used in the Cypriot syllabic script, though in Cyprus, every consonant was written.

This, Woodard discovered, involved the sequence of consonants that create the "ks" sound before a stop, which was a possible sound sequence in the Greek Cypriot dialect. In applying the sonority hierarchy strategy, the scribes would have had to "cross over" the symbols - a very awkward way to spell - to write a sound representing a "stop-fricative-stop" sequence using consonant-vowel symbols.

According to Woodard, the scribes' clever solution was to create a separate symbol for these sounds. These symbols in the Cypriot Syllabary, representing the sounds "ksa" and "kse" in the Cypriot dialect, were forerunners of the letter "x."

By the mid-9th century B.C., when the Phoenicians began living in Cyprus, the Greek scribes were entrenched in using the Cypriot syllabic script. Woodard believes some scribes became interested in the Phoenician script, which didn't use vowel characters at all. "The Greeks acquired the Phoenician script at some point and converted it into the Greek alphabet," he said. "My contention is that that happened on Cyprus, when the Greeks and Phoenicians were living next door to each other. The setting was right, and there was close cultural contact."

THE WORK HELPS pinpoint the time that Greeks began to develop the alphabet. Some specialists have tried to push that date back as early as 1200 B.C., Woodard said, but his work shows the Greeks probably did not create the alphabet until they were living side by side with the Phoenicians.

So according to Woodard, the Greeks of Cyprus (Mycenaeans) developed the Greek Alphabet when they were living side by side with the Phoenicians.

Thanks GatTourri!......

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 151297.php

[miltiades]

What makes us Greek is the fact we speak Greek, are Greek Orthodox, and have an extremely similar, if not the same culture and customs as mainland Greeks as well as our own regional customs.

Genetics have nothing to do with being Greek.

language and religion alone does not tell anything .There are various examples accross the world who have same language and religion so find other reasons.

If genetics have nothing to do with being Greek then Zimabbowans and Nigerians are also Greek .

Language, religion, culture and custom is the ONLY thing can that determine race these days, and not some genetic biology because even Greeks from diferent regions are genetically not the same. There is no such thing as a pure Greek gene pool, but since your brain can't grasp this concept then I refer you to Oracle's post that proves Genetic similarities between Greeks, Sicilians, Cypriots and North Africans.

Yes my dear , it does seem absurd that people can draw parallels with the Greeks and Sicilians, when we argue so much about how Greek the Cypriots are, even though the similarities there, are so striking. You would think there was no foundation for a Greek-Sicilian link. Oh but look, some silly scientist has checked this out ....

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v17/ ... 8120a.html

"The genetic contribution of Greek chromosomes to the Sicilian gene pool is estimated to be about 37% whereas the contribution of North African populations is estimated to be around 6%."

.... even Cyprus gets a mention. The darling Cypriot, please have a glass of zivania to calm the nerves


(I can't access the paper I had in mind, but the above will do for now.)

Therefore the Australians who , the majority , share language, religion, culture and custom , along with the Americans and New Zealanders , with the English are ENGLISH !!!
Almost forgot , the Welsh , the Scottish and the Irish are really ENGLISH

[Paphitis]

What makes us Greek is the fact we speak Greek, are Greek Orthodox, and have an extremely similar, if not the same culture and customs as mainland Greeks as well as our own regional customs.

Genetics have nothing to do with being Greek.

language and religion alone does not tell anything .There are various examples accross the world who have same language and religion so find other reasons.

If genetics have nothing to do with being Greek then Zimabbowans and Nigerians are also Greek .

Language, religion, culture and custom is the ONLY thing can that determine race these days, and not some genetic biology because even Greeks from diferent regions are genetically not the same. There is no such thing as a pure Greek gene pool, but since your brain can't grasp this concept then I refer you to Oracle's post that proves Genetic similarities between Greeks, Sicilians, Cypriots and North Africans.

Yes my dear , it does seem absurd that people can draw parallels with the Greeks and Sicilians, when we argue so much about how Greek the Cypriots are, even though the similarities there, are so striking. You would think there was no foundation for a Greek-Sicilian link. Oh but look, some silly scientist has checked this out ....

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v17/ ... 8120a.html

"The genetic contribution of Greek chromosomes to the Sicilian gene pool is estimated to be about 37% whereas the contribution of North African populations is estimated to be around 6%."

.... even Cyprus gets a mention. The darling Cypriot, please have a glass of zivania to calm the nerves


(I can't access the paper I had in mind, but the above will do for now.)

Therefore the Australians who , the majority , share language, religion, culture and custom , along with the Americans and New Zealanders , with the English are ENGLISH !!!
Almost forgot , the Welsh , the Scottish and the Irish are really ENGLISH

I was not talking about the English, Scottish, Welsh or Irish which have a culture very different to the English but was talking about the Greeks and Cypriots which have an almost identical culture and custom. Cypriots are Hellenic because they share a common Hellenic culture, custom, religion, and language. You can't say the same about the English, Welsh, Irish, or Scots. They Irish and Welsh even have their own language. And since you talk about Australia, New Zealand and America, well it is a well known fact that these countries do share a common Anglo/Irish and also Scottish inheritance.

Australians don't share a common religion with New Zealand or America. About a third of all Australians are Irish Catholic, another third is Anglican or Protestant, about 10% have various religions, and the remaining is Atheist.

The only "real" Australians are the native Aboriginals which comprise 0.58% of the Australian population. The remaining 99% have various backgrounds or ethnicities.

This is from the Australian Bureau of Statistics:

* Australian (37.13%)
* English (31.65%)
* Irish (9.08%)
* Scottish (7.56%)
* Italian (4.29%)
* German (4.09%)
* Chinese (3.37%)
* Greek (1.84%)
* Dutch (1.56%)
* Indian (1.18%)
* Lebanese (0.92%)
* Vietnamese (0.87%)
* Polish (0.82%)
* New Zealander (0.81%)
* Filipino (0.81%)
* Maltese (0.77%)
* Croatian (0.59%)
* Australian Aboriginal (0.58%)
* Welsh (0.57%)
* French (0.5%)
* Serbian (0.48%)
* Maori (0.47%)
* Spanish (0.42%)
* Macedonian (0.42%)
* South African (0.4%)
* Sinhalese (0.37%)
* Hungarian (0.3%)
* Russian (0.3%)
* Turkish (0.3%)
* American (0.28%)

[DT.]

What makes us Greek is the fact we speak Greek, are Greek Orthodox, and have an extremely similar, if not the same culture and customs as mainland Greeks as well as our own regional customs.

Genetics have nothing to do with being Greek.

language and religion alone does not tell anything .There are various examples accross the world who have same language and religion so find other reasons.

If genetics have nothing to do with being Greek then Zimabbowans and Nigerians are also Greek .

Language, religion, culture and custom is the ONLY thing can that determine race these days, and not some genetic biology because even Greeks from diferent regions are genetically not the same. There is no such thing as a pure Greek gene pool, but since your brain can't grasp this concept then I refer you to Oracle's post that proves Genetic similarities between Greeks, Sicilians, Cypriots and North Africans.

Yes my dear , it does seem absurd that people can draw parallels with the Greeks and Sicilians, when we argue so much about how Greek the Cypriots are, even though the similarities there, are so striking. You would think there was no foundation for a Greek-Sicilian link. Oh but look, some silly scientist has checked this out ....

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v17/ ... 8120a.html

"The genetic contribution of Greek chromosomes to the Sicilian gene pool is estimated to be about 37% whereas the contribution of North African populations is estimated to be around 6%."

.... even Cyprus gets a mention. The darling Cypriot, please have a glass of zivania to calm the nerves


(I can't access the paper I had in mind, but the above will do for now.)

Therefore the Australians who , the majority , share language, religion, culture and custom , along with the Americans and New Zealanders , with the English are ENGLISH !!!
Almost forgot , the Welsh , the Scottish and the Irish are really ENGLISH

I was not talking about the English, Scottish, Welsh or Irish which have a culture very different to the English but was talking about the Greeks and Cypriots which have an almost identical culture and custom. Cypriots are Hellenic because they share a common Hellenic culture, custom, religion, and language. You can't say the same about the English, Welsh, Irish, or Scots. They Irish and Welsh even have their own language. And since you talk about Australia, New Zealand and America, well it is a well known fact that these countries do share a common Anglo/Irish and also Scottish inheritance.

Australians don't share a common religion with New Zealand or America. About a third of all Australians are Irish Catholic, another third is Anglican or Protestant, about 10% have various religions, and the remaining is Atheist.

The only "real" Australians are the native Aboriginals which comprise 0.58% of the Australian population. The remaining 99% have various backgrounds or ethnicities.

This is from the Australian Bureau of Statistics:

* Australian (37.13%)
* English (31.65%)
* Irish (9.08%)
* Scottish (7.56%)
* Italian (4.29%)
* German (4.09%)
* Chinese (3.37%)
* Greek (1.84%)
* Dutch (1.56%)
* Indian (1.18%)
* Lebanese (0.92%)
* Vietnamese (0.87%)
* Polish (0.82%)
* New Zealander (0.81%)
* Filipino (0.81%)
* Maltese (0.77%)
* Croatian (0.59%)
* Australian Aboriginal (0.58%)
* Welsh (0.57%)
* French (0.5%)
* Serbian (0.48%)
* Maori (0.47%)
* Spanish (0.42%)
* Macedonian (0.42%)
* South African (0.4%)
* Sinhalese (0.37%)
* Hungarian (0.3%)
* Russian (0.3%)
* Turkish (0.3%)
* American (0.28%)

macedonian?

[Paphitis]

What makes us Greek is the fact we speak Greek, are Greek Orthodox, and have an extremely similar, if not the same culture and customs as mainland Greeks as well as our own regional customs.

Genetics have nothing to do with being Greek.

language and religion alone does not tell anything .There are various examples accross the world who have same language and religion so find other reasons.

If genetics have nothing to do with being Greek then Zimabbowans and Nigerians are also Greek .

Language, religion, culture and custom is the ONLY thing can that determine race these days, and not some genetic biology because even Greeks from diferent regions are genetically not the same. There is no such thing as a pure Greek gene pool, but since your brain can't grasp this concept then I refer you to Oracle's post that proves Genetic similarities between Greeks, Sicilians, Cypriots and North Africans.

Yes my dear , it does seem absurd that people can draw parallels with the Greeks and Sicilians, when we argue so much about how Greek the Cypriots are, even though the similarities there, are so striking. You would think there was no foundation for a Greek-Sicilian link. Oh but look, some silly scientist has checked this out ....

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v17/ ... 8120a.html

"The genetic contribution of Greek chromosomes to the Sicilian gene pool is estimated to be about 37% whereas the contribution of North African populations is estimated to be around 6%."

.... even Cyprus gets a mention. The darling Cypriot, please have a glass of zivania to calm the nerves


(I can't access the paper I had in mind, but the above will do for now.)

Therefore the Australians who , the majority , share language, religion, culture and custom , along with the Americans and New Zealanders , with the English are ENGLISH !!!
Almost forgot , the Welsh , the Scottish and the Irish are really ENGLISH

I was not talking about the English, Scottish, Welsh or Irish which have a culture very different to the English but was talking about the Greeks and Cypriots which have an almost identical culture and custom. Cypriots are Hellenic because they share a common Hellenic culture, custom, religion, and language. You can't say the same about the English, Welsh, Irish, or Scots. They Irish and Welsh even have their own language. And since you talk about Australia, New Zealand and America, well it is a well known fact that these countries do share a common Anglo/Irish and also Scottish inheritance.

Australians don't share a common religion with New Zealand or America. About a third of all Australians are Irish Catholic, another third is Anglican or Protestant, about 10% have various religions, and the remaining is Atheist.

The only "real" Australians are the native Aboriginals which comprise 0.58% of the Australian population. The remaining 99% have various backgrounds or ethnicities.

This is from the Australian Bureau of Statistics:

* Australian (37.13%)
* English (31.65%)
* Irish (9.08%)
* Scottish (7.56%)
* Italian (4.29%)
* German (4.09%)
* Chinese (3.37%)
* Greek (1.84%)
* Dutch (1.56%)
* Indian (1.18%)
* Lebanese (0.92%)
* Vietnamese (0.87%)
* Polish (0.82%)
* New Zealander (0.81%)
* Filipino (0.81%)
* Maltese (0.77%)
* Croatian (0.59%)
* Australian Aboriginal (0.58%)
* Welsh (0.57%)
* French (0.5%)
* Serbian (0.48%)
* Maori (0.47%)
* Spanish (0.42%)
* Macedonian (0.42%)
* South African (0.4%)
* Sinhalese (0.37%)
* Hungarian (0.3%)
* Russian (0.3%)
* Turkish (0.3%)
* American (0.28%)

macedonian?

Yes, but the Australian Government only recognises them as FYROM and nothing else.

The statistics are based on a question to all Australians at the last nationwide census asking about our heritage or ethnicity. People were free to answer this question any way they wanted so theoretically even a Greek could have stated that they are Australian and nothing else.

[barouti]

2) The Ionian Revolt is considered the main Greek uprising against the Persian yolk. The Greeks of Cyprus joined in this revolt.

Where did they get that from... a fortune cookie?

You need to live up to your nickname.....

[Get Real!]

2) The Ionian Revolt is considered the main Greek uprising against the Persian yolk. The Greeks of Cyprus joined in this revolt.

Where did they get that from... a fortune cookie?

You need to live up to your nickname.....

Not only have you not bothered to provide a link to your text, but your piece clearly says…

“the Cypriot kings were left undisturbed” and “The GREEK CITIES joined the Ionian revolt”

So where’s the bit about Cypriots joining?

Had they been part of it would they have been left undisturbed?