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Court Ruling Complicates Cyprus Peace Talks

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Postby Get Real! » Thu Apr 30, 2009 9:55 pm

insan wrote:We ask bi-zonality just because we wish to protect our political-equality(as a community) in a federal state.

You can't protect what you never had... :lol:
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Postby Oracle » Thu Apr 30, 2009 9:56 pm

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insan wrote:... and it destroys one of the basic principles of BBF... that's what complicates the talks even makes it meaningless...


The RoC doesn't need BBF ... The RoC doesn't need TCs. TCs need the RoC!

If you want to rejoin the RoC (key to the world), you have to do it via a re-unified Cyprus under Democratic principles with no nonsense!

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Postby insan » Thu Apr 30, 2009 9:57 pm

Get Real! wrote:
insan wrote:We ask bi-zonality just because we wish to protect our political-equality(as a community) in a federal state.

You can't protect what you never had... :lol:


I wish to hear this from Christofias mouth to cut the painter and 35 years lasted nonsense. :lol: Would he dare? Or could u force him to do that? :lol:
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Postby insan » Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:00 pm

Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:... and it destroys one of the basic principles of BBF... that's what complicates the talks even makes it meaningless...


The RoC doesn't need BBF ... The RoC doesn't need TCs. TCs need the RoC!

If you want to rejoin the RoC (key to the world), you have to do it via a re-unified Cyprus under Democratic principles with no nonsense!

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Postby Get Real! » Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:02 pm

insan wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
insan wrote:We ask bi-zonality just because we wish to protect our political-equality(as a community) in a federal state.

You can't protect what you never had... :lol:


I wish to hear this from Christofias mouth to cut the painter and 35 years lasted nonsense. :lol: Would he dare? Or could u force him to do that? :lol:

You put too much weight on who is in power but who cares? Have a look at the constitution... does 30% vs 70% of the House of Reps look like equality to you? :roll:

And it was of course, 12% more than you deserved!
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Postby insan » Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:07 pm

Get Real! wrote:
insan wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
insan wrote:We ask bi-zonality just because we wish to protect our political-equality(as a community) in a federal state.

You can't protect what you never had... :lol:


I wish to hear this from Christofias mouth to cut the painter and 35 years lasted nonsense. :lol: Would he dare? Or could u force him to do that? :lol:

You put too much weight on who is in power but who cares? Have a look at the constitution... does 30% vs 70% of the House of Reps look like equality to you? :roll:

And it was of course, 12% more than you deserved!


It was based on the fact that in the begining of the Brit rule TCs constituted 1/3 of total population. There was a hope of return of TCs who emigrated due to uneasiness of Brit Rule and inter communal, political/armed clashes.

As for the political equality, it was binded to veto power of president and vice president, unde the then circumstances.
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Postby Hermes » Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:24 pm

insan wrote:... the verdict of Orams Case condemns all TC refugees and even all TCs who occupy properties and lands belong to GCs.

We know that all GC refugees wish restitution of their properties no matter whether they would return to their properties or not. All GC refugees were promised for this and their dreams kept alive by GC ruling class.

In my opinion this court verdict strengthen their hopes regarding the restitution of their properties. As I said maybe most of them wouldn't return their properties and lands but be sure most of them would like to inherit those properties to their heirs or sell them to rich GCs(refugee and non refugee).

In such a case vast majority of TC refugees would have to abandon/demolish all their investments built on GC land or property and move to their own properties in South Cyprus. So where's bi-zonality?

As I previously stated the circumstances of partition r being prepared. The first step of final stage of partition has been accomplished.


You just don't get it. The ECJ is not a Greek Cypriot court. It upholds European law. That is its function. In this case it upholds the legal rights of Greek and Turkish Cypriots to their properties prior to the Turkish invasion. It's blindingly simple. The "facts on the ground" have not changed that. It was unbelievably stupid and reckless of the T/C authorities to allow building and development on land they don't own. Did they think they could get away with it for good? The Turkish Cypriots have no-one to blame but themselves. Bi-zonality never meant you get to keep what you pilfered. Is that all you understand by BBF? No wonder you lot are so confused.
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Postby insan » Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:38 pm

Hermes wrote:
insan wrote:... the verdict of Orams Case condemns all TC refugees and even all TCs who occupy properties and lands belong to GCs.

We know that all GC refugees wish restitution of their properties no matter whether they would return to their properties or not. All GC refugees were promised for this and their dreams kept alive by GC ruling class.

In my opinion this court verdict strengthen their hopes regarding the restitution of their properties. As I said maybe most of them wouldn't return their properties and lands but be sure most of them would like to inherit those properties to their heirs or sell them to rich GCs(refugee and non refugee).

In such a case vast majority of TC refugees would have to abandon/demolish all their investments built on GC land or property and move to their own properties in South Cyprus. So where's bi-zonality?

As I previously stated the circumstances of partition r being prepared. The first step of final stage of partition has been accomplished.


You just don't get it. The ECJ is not a Greek Cypriot court. It upholds European law. That is its function. In this case it upholds the legal rights of Greek and Turkish Cypriots to their properties prior to the Turkish invasion. It's blindingly simple. The "facts on the ground" have not changed that. It was unbelievably stupid and reckless of the T/C authorities to allow building and development on land they don't own. Did they think they could get away with it for good? The Turkish Cypriots have no-one to blame but themselves. Bi-zonality never meant you get to keep what you pilfered. Is that all you understand by BBF? No wonder you lot are so confused.


What should TC authorities have done under economic isolations, during 35 years lasted and still ongoing defacto situation. U sound like very smart. Put urself in place of TC leadership and enlighten us what would u do under such circumstances.
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Postby Oracle » Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:39 pm

insan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:... and it destroys one of the basic principles of BBF... that's what complicates the talks even makes it meaningless...


The RoC doesn't need BBF ... The RoC doesn't need TCs. TCs need the RoC!

If you want to rejoin the RoC (key to the world), you have to do it via a re-unified Cyprus under Democratic principles with no nonsense!

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Battle of Agincourt springs to mind ... 8)
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Postby Oracle » Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:08 pm

I have a sneaking suspicion that insan is Googling "Battle of Agincourt" and trying to add to his "Knowledge" .... :lol:

... enjoy the peace! 8)
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