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[insan]

which one is that insan

Bi-zonality ofc...

[boulio]

how does it effect bi zonal?cyorus will have a two zones one northern and southern,if cypriots go along and grant administration of the north to the t/c then whats the problem?

Are you saying you dont want to live with g/c??

[insan]

how does it effect bi zonal?cyorus will have a two zones one northern and southern,if cypriots go along and grant administration of the north to the t/c then whats the problem?

Are you saying you dont want to live with g/c??

Boulio,

It has nothing to do with wishing to live with GCs or not. We ask bi-zonality just because we wish to protect our political-equality(as a community) in a federal state.Though we know it is unacceptable to GCs. They consider TCs as a minority.

Please answer these questions in order to see how it complicates the ongoing talks.

1- What's the difference between a TC refugee occupying a GC property or land and a foreigner who bought that property or land from a TC regugee or his/her heir(s)?

2- What's the difference between a TC refugee occupying a GC property or land and a non refugee TC who bought that property or land from a TC refugee or his/her heir(s)?

There r no difference between them and the verdict of Orams Case condemns all TC refugees and even all TCs who occupy properties and lands belong to GCs.

We know that all GC refugees wish restitution of their properties no matter whether they would return to their properties or not. All GC refugees were promised for this and their dreams kept alive by GC ruling class.

In my opinion this court verdict strengthen their hopes regarding the restitution of their properties. As I said maybe most of them wouldn't return their properties and lands but be sure most of them would like to inherit those properties to their heirs or sell them to rich GCs(refugee and non refugee).

In such a case vast majority of TC refugees would have to abandon/demolish all their investments built on GC land or property and move to their own properties in South Cyprus. So where's bi-zonality?

As I previously stated the circumstances of partition r being prepared. The first step of final stage of partition has been accomplished.

[boulio]

It has nothing to do with wishing to live with GCs or not. We ask bi-zonality just because we wish to protect our political-equality(as a community) in a federal state.Though we know it is unacceptable to GCs. They consider TCs as a minority.

YOU CAN HAVE POLITICAL EQUALITY if all the g/c move to the north,g/c will vote for g/c senators to the federal govt.t/c will vote for t/c senators.

or g/c vote will be a proportional vote electing t/c senators.

[insan]

It has nothing to do with wishing to live with GCs or not. We ask bi-zonality just because we wish to protect our political-equality(as a community) in a federal state.Though we know it is unacceptable to GCs. They consider TCs as a minority.

YOU CAN HAVE POLITICAL EQUALITY if all the g/c move to the north,g/c will vote for g/c senators to the federal govt.t/c will vote for t/c senators.

or g/c vote will be a proportional vote electing t/c senators.

So where's bi-zonality if 2/3 TCs would be in South State and 1/3 of TCs in North State? Total nonsense.

And what is ur political equality comprehension, btw? Proportional in lower house and 50/50 in upper house?

[Hermes]

... and it destroys one of the basic principles of BBF... that's what complicates the talks even makes it meaningless...

I don't think many Greek Cypriots envisaged a BBF that was predicated on them having to abandon their property rights, their sovereignty or their rights as European citizens to free movement in their own country! Those are the facts on the ground as ratified by the ECJ. It leaves us with a concept of a BBF that is a lot more fluid than the Turks want. In fact, it blows it out of the water. But that's Europe for you. They will occasionally stand up for freedom and justice. It's a nuisance I know. But you can't have all the benefits of European membership without some of the pain.

Why does this make the talks meaningless? It means there's a lot less to argue about. The parameters of a solution are a lot clearer. European law cannot be derogated away and property rights are inviolable. The Greek Cypriots have been saying this for years. Only you chose not to listen.

[Oracle]

... and it destroys one of the basic principles of BBF... that's what complicates the talks even makes it meaningless...

The RoC doesn't need BBF ... The RoC doesn't need TCs. TCs need the RoC!

If you want to rejoin the RoC (key to the world), you have to do it via a re-unified Cyprus under Democratic principles with no nonsense!

[Oracle]

Sorry Hermes ... I didn't copy your sub-quote! ... Coincidence ...

[insan]

... and it destroys one of the basic principles of BBF... that's what complicates the talks even makes it meaningless...

The RoC doesn't need BBF ... The RoC doesn't need TCs. TCs need the RoC!

If you want to rejoin the RoC (key to the world), you have to do it via a re-unified Cyprus under Democratic principles with no nonsense!

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[insan]

... and it destroys one of the basic principles of BBF... that's what complicates the talks even makes it meaningless...

I don't think many Greek Cypriots envisaged a BBF that was predicated on them having to abandon their property rights, their sovereignty or their rights as European citizens to free movement - especially in their own country! Those are the new facts on the ground as ratified by the ECJ. It leaves us with a concept of a BBF that is a lot more fluid than the Turks want. But that's Europe for you. They will occasionally stand up for freedom and justice. It's a nuisance I know. But you can't have all the benefits of European membership without some of the pain.

Why does this make the talks meaningless? It means there's a lot less to argue about. The parameters of a solution are a lot clearer. European law cannot be derogated away and property rights are inviolable. The Greek Cypriots have been saying this for years. Only you chose not to listen.

Please answer these questions in order to see how it complicates the ongoing talks.

1- What's the difference between a TC refugee occupying a GC property or land and a foreigner who bought that property or land from a TC regugee or his/her heir(s)?

2- What's the difference between a TC refugee occupying a GC property or land and a non refugee TC who bought that property or land from a TC refugee or his/her heir(s)?

There r no difference between them and the verdict of Orams Case condemns all TC refugees and even all TCs who occupy properties and lands belong to GCs.

We know that all GC refugees wish restitution of their properties no matter whether they would return to their properties or not. All GC refugees were promised for this and their dreams kept alive by GC ruling class.

In my opinion this court verdict strengthen their hopes regarding the restitution of their properties. As I said maybe most of them wouldn't return their properties and lands but be sure most of them would like to inherit those properties to their heirs or sell them to rich GCs(refugee and non refugee).

In such a case vast majority of TC refugees would have to abandon/demolish all their investments built on GC land or property and move to their own properties in South Cyprus. So where's bi-zonality?

As I previously stated the circumstances of partition r being prepared. The first step of final stage of partition has been accomplished.