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Court Ruling Complicates Cyprus Peace Talks

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Postby boomerang » Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:17 pm

Get Real! wrote:
rawk wrote:This is an interesting view from an North Cyprus Forum. If this court judgement pushes the north into Turkish annexation, the EU writ will therefore no longer apply.

Turkey doesn’t have the spine (financial, military, or influential) to annex anything without EU and US support and approval.


I wonder if Turkey annexes the occupied area how many tcs will move to the EU free areas...

They should have a referendum in the occupied on this...
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Postby umit07 » Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:01 pm

boomerang wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
rawk wrote:This is an interesting view from an North Cyprus Forum. If this court judgement pushes the north into Turkish annexation, the EU writ will therefore no longer apply.

Turkey doesn’t have the spine (financial, military, or influential) to annex anything without EU and US support and approval.


I wonder if Turkey annexes the occupied area how many tcs will move to the EU free areas...

They should have a referendum in the occupied on this...


Official annexation is out of question, nobody would want to give up their "preferred sibling" treatment. Not even the settlers want it.
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Postby boomerang » Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:04 pm

umit07 wrote:
boomerang wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
rawk wrote:This is an interesting view from an North Cyprus Forum. If this court judgement pushes the north into Turkish annexation, the EU writ will therefore no longer apply.

Turkey doesn’t have the spine (financial, military, or influential) to annex anything without EU and US support and approval.


I wonder if Turkey annexes the occupied area how many tcs will move to the EU free areas...

They should have a referendum in the occupied on this...


Official annexation is out of question, nobody would want to give up their "preferred sibling" treatment. Not even the settlers want it.


Then is assimilation to the max Umit...and as kikapu said the next step is community disappearance as we know it...not good in the ling term, not thats good now..

When are people going to realise that we have a lot in common...
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Postby umit07 » Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:00 pm

boomerang wrote:
umit07 wrote:
boomerang wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
rawk wrote:This is an interesting view from an North Cyprus Forum. If this court judgement pushes the north into Turkish annexation, the EU writ will therefore no longer apply.

Turkey doesn’t have the spine (financial, military, or influential) to annex anything without EU and US support and approval.


I wonder if Turkey annexes the occupied area how many tcs will move to the EU free areas...

They should have a referendum in the occupied on this...


Official annexation is out of question, nobody would want to give up their "preferred sibling" treatment. Not even the settlers want it.


Then is assimilation to the max Umit...and as kikapu said the next step is community disappearance as we know it...not good in the ling term, not thats good now..

When are people going to realise that we have a lot in common...



Yep it is assimilation to the max and it is progressing very quickly. Boomers my family and I moved to Cyprus in 1998 while I was grade 6. For the time i was there (1998-2008 ) things did change a lot. I don't want to think about the changes in demographics in the next 10 years. I don't think there's ever gonna be a solution in Cyprus ever coz however frekin unstble the TRNC looks like in the outside it's what is keeping it together, at least 1/3 of the pop. is some sort of public servant (we got shit loads of em and definitely the most inefficient in the world ) :lol: , we also have shit loads of developed GC land with nice villa's on em. To top it off we also have sheisser loads of settlers, some of which have come to the third generation ( they reproduce like Ipods ). I'd say the situation is totally f**ked. Another thing I found pretty weird was that why are all GC's here going psycho about brits owning houses on GC land, when far more TC's have done the same. Although the practice has not been as intense as in the north, GC's have parceled land up often including TC land in between ( once talked to a Brit from Paphos who had bits of TC land in his title deeds ).
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Postby boomerang » Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:10 pm

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Postby umit07 » Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:17 pm

boomerang wrote:I forgot to ask you umit...all is well?


Yep all is well. Don't have the time to stay out of focus, studying for an exam, lookin around whats going on around here and searching the net for a full-time jobat the same time. :lol:
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Postby boomerang » Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:27 pm

umit07 wrote:
boomerang wrote:I forgot to ask you umit...all is well?


Yep all is well. Don't have the time to stay out of focus, studying for an exam, lookin around whats going on around here and searching the net for a full-time jobat the same time. :lol:


Very good umit...you want a full time job?...how about studying?

I had dinner with a mate, a buyer at crazy john...you want me to ask him if anything is available?

good luck on your exam...
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Postby Hermes » Thu Apr 30, 2009 8:12 pm

I don't see how the ECJ ruling complicates anything. In fact, it makes it much simpler. It validates the ownership of property as it existed prior to the Turkish invasion of 1974. It establishes the inalienable rights of the lawful Greek and Turkish Cypriots to their properties and dismisses the "facts on the ground" brought on by the invasion and subsequent colonisation of northern Cyprus. It takes out of the equation the notion that Greek Cypriots, in particular, should sacrifice this right in order to establish a racially-pure Turkish statelet in the north.

What has complicated the talks thus far is the morally repellent and now clearly illegal Turkish insistence on a confederation or two-state solution. The ECJ has effectively imposed a solution on Cyprus in line with Greek Cypriot expectations and European law and upheld the sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus and the rights of its citizens. The framework for a solution is now much clearer. This judgement will surely concentrate Turkish minds. At least I hope it does. We will see hissy fits and threats and a lot of bluster. But they are fast running out of options.
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Postby insan » Thu Apr 30, 2009 8:34 pm

Hermes wrote:I don't see how the ECJ ruling complicates anything. In fact, it makes it much simpler. It validates the ownership of property as it existed prior to the Turkish invasion of 1974. It establishes the inalienable rights of the lawful Greek and Turkish Cypriots to their properties and dismisses the "facts on the ground" brought on by the invasion and subsequent colonisation of northern Cyprus. It takes out of the equation the notion that Greek Cypriots, in particular, should sacrifice this right in order to establish a racially-pure Turkish statelet in the north.

What has complicated the talks thus far is the morally repellent and now clearly illegal Turkish insistence on a confederation or two-state solution. The ECJ has effectively imposed a solution on Cyprus in line with Greek Cypriot expectations and European law and upheld the sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus and the rights of its citizens. The framework for a solution is now much clearer. This judgement will surely concentrate Turkish minds. At least I hope it does. We will see hissy fits and threats and a lot of bluster. But they are fast running out of options.


... and it destroys one of the basic principles of BBF... that's what complicates the talks even makes it meaningless...
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Postby boulio » Thu Apr 30, 2009 8:37 pm

which one is that insan
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