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Speech by President Talat on the Orams Case

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Hermes » Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:29 pm

Thank you, Mr. Talat. I hope your people are reassured by your warm words. If it was me I'd be waking up screaming in a cold sweat wondering what on earth is going on. It seems a Turk cannot loot and steal in peace anymore. What is the point of it all?
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:34 pm

Hermes wrote:Thank you, Mr. Talat. I hope your people are reassured by your warm words. If it was me I'd be waking up screaming in a cold sweat wondering what on earth is going on. It seems a Turk cannot loot and steal in peace anymore. What is the point of it all?


What is going to change to the current status quo???
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Postby Hermes » Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:51 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Hermes wrote:Thank you, Mr. Talat. I hope your people are reassured by your warm words. If it was me I'd be waking up screaming in a cold sweat wondering what on earth is going on. It seems a Turk cannot loot and steal in peace anymore. What is the point of it all?


What is going to change to the current status quo???


I'm amazed you could ask such a question after everything that has happened in the last few days. Don't you get it? The ECJ judgement has broken the deadlock. No confederation. No two property regimes. No derogations. One sovereignty. EU law is paramount and cannot be over-ridden. Everything that was holding back a solution has melted away. If he didn't know it before I think Talat knows it now. It's over. There is no status-quo.
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Postby YFred » Fri May 01, 2009 12:06 am

Hermes wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Hermes wrote:Thank you, Mr. Talat. I hope your people are reassured by your warm words. If it was me I'd be waking up screaming in a cold sweat wondering what on earth is going on. It seems a Turk cannot loot and steal in peace anymore. What is the point of it all?


What is going to change to the current status quo???


I'm amazed you could ask such a question after everything that has happened in the last few days. Don't you get it? The ECJ judgement has broken the deadlock. No confederation. No two property regimes. No derogations. One sovereignty. EU law is paramount and cannot be over-ridden. Everything that was holding back a solution has melted away. If he didn't know it before I think Talat knows it now. It's over. There is no status-quo.

Dream on. This jugement will effect however many applications there were prior to 2004. Even if it effects all 5000 or so Brits, that makes it about 2.5% of the cases. How do you propose to solve the 97.5% of the cases? Through the same court? and if these people have no property in EU, what will you do? apply to the Uranus CJ or perhaps Mars CJ?
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Postby erolz3 » Fri May 01, 2009 12:09 am

Hermes wrote: There is no status-quo.


Hot dam the ECJ have abolished

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The bastards.

This has to be what you mean for no one would be stupid enough to say 'there is no current state of affairs', even partialy in latin, would they ?
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Postby Hermes » Fri May 01, 2009 12:36 am

YFred wrote:
Hermes wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Hermes wrote:Thank you, Mr. Talat. I hope your people are reassured by your warm words. If it was me I'd be waking up screaming in a cold sweat wondering what on earth is going on. It seems a Turk cannot loot and steal in peace anymore. What is the point of it all?


What is going to change to the current status quo???


I'm amazed you could ask such a question after everything that has happened in the last few days. Don't you get it? The ECJ judgement has broken the deadlock. No confederation. No two property regimes. No derogations. One sovereignty. EU law is paramount and cannot be over-ridden. Everything that was holding back a solution has melted away. If he didn't know it before I think Talat knows it now. It's over. There is no status-quo.

Dream on. This jugement will effect however many applications there were prior to 2004. Even if it effects all 5000 or so Brits, that makes it about 2.5% of the cases. How do you propose to solve the 97.5% of the cases? Through the same court? and if these people have no property in EU, what will you do? apply to the Uranus CJ or perhaps Mars CJ?

You're the one in dreamland. It's not a question of taking anyone to court. Not now anyway. Law works by precedent. If the Turks weren't sure what a European aspect to the Cyprus problem means - they do now. No solution can over-ride the legal interests of the pre-1974 owners. Any proposed solution has to take the ECJ judgement into account. Otherwise it will be challenged in the courts. It's not about suing the English. It's about setting a legal context for a solution. In case you missed it, the ROC joined the EU and is subject to its laws and the jurisdiction of its courts. As will any future T/C federated zone. Bi-zonal, bi-communal, bi-sexual and all. One big happy family in Europe. Get used to it. It's the only game in town.
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Postby YFred » Fri May 01, 2009 12:52 am

Hermes wrote:
YFred wrote:
Hermes wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Hermes wrote:Thank you, Mr. Talat. I hope your people are reassured by your warm words. If it was me I'd be waking up screaming in a cold sweat wondering what on earth is going on. It seems a Turk cannot loot and steal in peace anymore. What is the point of it all?


What is going to change to the current status quo???


I'm amazed you could ask such a question after everything that has happened in the last few days. Don't you get it? The ECJ judgement has broken the deadlock. No confederation. No two property regimes. No derogations. One sovereignty. EU law is paramount and cannot be over-ridden. Everything that was holding back a solution has melted away. If he didn't know it before I think Talat knows it now. It's over. There is no status-quo.

Dream on. This jugement will effect however many applications there were prior to 2004. Even if it effects all 5000 or so Brits, that makes it about 2.5% of the cases. How do you propose to solve the 97.5% of the cases? Through the same court? and if these people have no property in EU, what will you do? apply to the Uranus CJ or perhaps Mars CJ?

You're the one in dreamland. It's not a question of taking anyone to court. Not now anyway. Law works by precedent. If the Turks weren't sure what a European aspect to the Cyprus problem means - they do now. No solution can over-ride the legal interests of the pre-1974 owners. Any proposed solution has to take the ECJ judgement into account. Otherwise it will be challenged in the courts. It's not about suing the English. It's about setting a legal context for a solution. In case you missed it, the ROC joined the EU and is subject to its laws and the jurisdiction of its courts. As will any future T/C federated zone. Bi-zonal, bi-communal, bi-sexual and all. One big happy family in Europe. Get used to it. It's the only game in town.

Beg to differ, in actual fact the whole pupose of this action was to stop the construction by the Brits and other EU people from building on GC land in the North.
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Postby RichardB » Fri May 01, 2009 1:16 am

Yfred wrote
Beg to differ, in actual fact the whole pupose of this action was to stop the construction by the Brits and other EU people from building on GC land in the North.


and hers silly old me thinking it was an action to get a court judgement against the thieving brits (and others) who bought stolen property
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Postby YFred » Fri May 01, 2009 1:18 am

RichardB wrote:Yfred wrote
Beg to differ, in actual fact the whole pupose of this action was to stop the construction by the Brits and other EU people from building on GC land in the North.


and hers silly old me thinking it was an action to get a court judgement against the thieving brits (and others) who bought stolen property

Please read comments from your government spokseman.
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Postby RichardB » Fri May 01, 2009 1:19 am

YFred wrote:
RichardB wrote:Yfred wrote
Beg to differ, in actual fact the whole pupose of this action was to stop the construction by the Brits and other EU people from building on GC land in the North.


and hers silly old me thinking it was an action to get a court judgement against the thieving brits (and others) who bought stolen property

Please read comments from your government spokseman.


well give me a link and i will fred
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