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Postby miltiades » Sun May 17, 2009 12:01 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Lets see the British verdict first it can be linked to an overall solution siting the GC courts own verdicts against TC claimants.

VP , the vertict has allready been issued , all that the UK courts will do is endorse the ECJ , they have no other option but to accept the judjement .
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Postby YFred » Sun May 17, 2009 12:10 pm

miltiades wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Lets see the British verdict first it can be linked to an overall solution siting the GC courts own verdicts against TC claimants.

VP , the vertict has allready been issued , all that the UK courts will do is endorse the ECJ , they have no other option but to accept the judjement .

No Milt, UK government can authorise the court to ignore the judgement from the EU on the grounds that it is a political trial, which it is.
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Postby Get Real! » Sun May 17, 2009 12:16 pm

YFred wrote:
miltiades wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Lets see the British verdict first it can be linked to an overall solution siting the GC courts own verdicts against TC claimants.

VP , the vertict has allready been issued , all that the UK courts will do is endorse the ECJ , they have no other option but to accept the judjement .

No Milt, UK government can authorise the court to ignore the judgement from the EU on the grounds that it is a political trial, which it is.

Reading this will help you make a sensible post... :lol:

• Actions for failure to fulfil obligations

These actions enable the Court of Justice to determine whether a Member State has fulfilled its obligations under Community law. Before bringing the case before the Court of Justice, the Commission conducts a preliminary procedure in which the Member State is given the opportunity to reply to the complaints against it. If that procedure does not result in the Member State terminating the failure, an action for infringement of Community law may be brought before the Court of Justice.

The action may be brought by the Commission — as, in practice, is usually the case — or by a Member State. If the Court finds that an obligation has not been fulfilled, the State must bring the failure to an end without delay. If, after a further action is brought by the Commission, the Court of Justice finds that the Member State concerned has not complied with its judgment, it may impose on it a fixed or periodic financial penalty.


http://curia.europa.eu/en/instit/presen ... ex_cje.htm
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Postby YFred » Sun May 17, 2009 12:25 pm

Get Real! wrote:
YFred wrote:
miltiades wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Lets see the British verdict first it can be linked to an overall solution siting the GC courts own verdicts against TC claimants.

VP , the vertict has allready been issued , all that the UK courts will do is endorse the ECJ , they have no other option but to accept the judjement .

No Milt, UK government can authorise the court to ignore the judgement from the EU on the grounds that it is a political trial, which it is.

Reading this will help you make a sensible post... :lol:

• Actions for failure to fulfil obligations

These actions enable the Court of Justice to determine whether a Member State has fulfilled its obligations under Community law. Before bringing the case before the Court of Justice, the Commission conducts a preliminary procedure in which the Member State is given the opportunity to reply to the complaints against it. If that procedure does not result in the Member State terminating the failure, an action for infringement of Community law may be brought before the Court of Justice.

The action may be brought by the Commission — as, in practice, is usually the case — or by a Member State. If the Court finds that an obligation has not been fulfilled, the State must bring the failure to an end without delay. If, after a further action is brought by the Commission, the Court of Justice finds that the Member State concerned has not complied with its judgment, it may impose on it a fixed or periodic financial penalty.


http://curia.europa.eu/en/instit/presen ... ex_cje.htm

This article says otherwise.

http://www.starkibris.net/index.asp?haberID=28519

Donald Crawford the owner of "Parliamentary Brief" magazine and an advisor to the UK Government is stating that the UK Government can go against the ruling of the ECJ based on it being used as a "Political Instrument". He states the UK Government can send a "Certificate" to the Court stating that the case is against public policy.

The question is which will it be?
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Postby Get Real! » Sun May 17, 2009 12:39 pm

YFred wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
YFred wrote:No Milt, UK government can authorise the court to ignore the judgement from the EU on the grounds that it is a political trial, which it is.

Reading this will help you make a sensible post... :lol:

• Actions for failure to fulfil obligations

These actions enable the Court of Justice to determine whether a Member State has fulfilled its obligations under Community law. Before bringing the case before the Court of Justice, the Commission conducts a preliminary procedure in which the Member State is given the opportunity to reply to the complaints against it. If that procedure does not result in the Member State terminating the failure, an action for infringement of Community law may be brought before the Court of Justice.

The action may be brought by the Commission — as, in practice, is usually the case — or by a Member State. If the Court finds that an obligation has not been fulfilled, the State must bring the failure to an end without delay. If, after a further action is brought by the Commission, the Court of Justice finds that the Member State concerned has not complied with its judgment, it may impose on it a fixed or periodic financial penalty.


http://curia.europa.eu/en/instit/presen ... ex_cje.htm

This article says otherwise.

http://www.starkibris.net/index.asp?haberID=28519

Donald Crawford the owner of "Parliamentary Brief" magazine and an advisor to the UK Government is stating that the UK Government can go against the ruling of the ECJ based on it being used as a "Political Instrument". He states the UK Government can send a "Certificate" to the Court stating that the case is against public policy.

The question is which will it be?

I don’t care what a Turkish article says! :roll:

I’ve given you THE LAW in accordance with the Court of Justice of the European Communities.

You should learn to differentiate which opinions are VALID and which are INVALID! :lol:
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Postby YFred » Sun May 17, 2009 12:43 pm

Get Real! wrote:
YFred wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
YFred wrote:No Milt, UK government can authorise the court to ignore the judgement from the EU on the grounds that it is a political trial, which it is.

Reading this will help you make a sensible post... :lol:

• Actions for failure to fulfil obligations

These actions enable the Court of Justice to determine whether a Member State has fulfilled its obligations under Community law. Before bringing the case before the Court of Justice, the Commission conducts a preliminary procedure in which the Member State is given the opportunity to reply to the complaints against it. If that procedure does not result in the Member State terminating the failure, an action for infringement of Community law may be brought before the Court of Justice.

The action may be brought by the Commission — as, in practice, is usually the case — or by a Member State. If the Court finds that an obligation has not been fulfilled, the State must bring the failure to an end without delay. If, after a further action is brought by the Commission, the Court of Justice finds that the Member State concerned has not complied with its judgment, it may impose on it a fixed or periodic financial penalty.


http://curia.europa.eu/en/instit/presen ... ex_cje.htm

This article says otherwise.

http://www.starkibris.net/index.asp?haberID=28519

Donald Crawford the owner of "Parliamentary Brief" magazine and an advisor to the UK Government is stating that the UK Government can go against the ruling of the ECJ based on it being used as a "Political Instrument". He states the UK Government can send a "Certificate" to the Court stating that the case is against public policy.

The question is which will it be?

I don’t care what a Turkish article says! :roll:

I’ve given you THE LAW in accordance with the Court of Justice of the European Communities.

You should learn to differentiate which opinions are VALID and which are INVALID! :lol:

My mistake, article is not the important thing, the fact that it is the opinion of a QC who advises the government is.
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Postby Kikapu » Sun May 17, 2009 1:56 pm

YFred wrote:
miltiades wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Lets see the British verdict first it can be linked to an overall solution siting the GC courts own verdicts against TC claimants.

VP , the vertict has allready been issued , all that the UK courts will do is endorse the ECJ , they have no other option but to accept the judjement .

No Milt, UK government can authorise the court to ignore the judgement from the EU on the grounds that it is a political trial, which it is.


The case was between 2 individual private people. How can that be considered to be a "political trial" when the evidence is very clear, that the Orams bought stolen property. The Orams knew it was a stolen GC property, because Mr.A told the Orams before the case ever got underway that they were on his land, and the response from the Orams was "well, that was long time ago" so basically telling him to Fuck Off before they call the security to kick his ass all the way back to the crossings.! Now, don’t get me wrong, because behind the scenes, it was very political, but don’t expect the British Courts to go beyond what’s in front of them to decide on facts only, or else, the British Legal system will fall apart if they ignore the facts and make a ruling on innuendoes, gut feelings, hearsay, rumours and so on.!
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Postby miltiades » Sun May 17, 2009 2:03 pm

YFred wrote:
miltiades wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Lets see the British verdict first it can be linked to an overall solution siting the GC courts own verdicts against TC claimants.

VP , the vertict has allready been issued , all that the UK courts will do is endorse the ECJ , they have no other option but to accept the judjement .

No Milt, UK government can authorise the court to ignore the judgement from the EU on the grounds that it is a political trial, which it is.

I'm not as a rule a gambling man , unless I know its a cert !!!
Care to wager a bet lets say STG £100 !!!
Wishful thinking is one thing believing that the absurd will happen is another.
Lets make that a couple of hundred shall we Fred !!
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Postby paliometoxo » Sun May 17, 2009 6:31 pm

when does turks ever listen to the eu the turks will probably tell the owners to not destroy anything
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun May 17, 2009 8:11 pm

Kikapu wrote:
YFred wrote:
miltiades wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Lets see the British verdict first it can be linked to an overall solution siting the GC courts own verdicts against TC claimants.

VP , the vertict has allready been issued , all that the UK courts will do is endorse the ECJ , they have no other option but to accept the judjement .

No Milt, UK government can authorise the court to ignore the judgement from the EU on the grounds that it is a political trial, which it is.


The case was between 2 individual private people. How can that be considered to be a "political trial" when the evidence is very clear, that the Orams bought stolen property. The Orams knew it was a stolen GC property, because Mr.A told the Orams before the case ever got underway that they were on his land, and the response from the Orams was "well, that was long time ago" so basically telling him to Fuck Off before they call the security to kick his ass all the way back to the crossings.! Now, don’t get me wrong, because behind the scenes, it was very political, but don’t expect the British Courts to go beyond what’s in front of them to decide on facts only, or else, the British Legal system will fall apart if they ignore the facts and make a ruling on innuendoes, gut feelings, hearsay, rumours and so on.!


Its got political all over it and the British have a vested interest, if fairness rule the verdict will be in favor of the GC guy but held off until a political comprehensive solution can be found.
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