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[YFred]

but you are talking to our president and we have had relative peace since 74. We must be thankful for small mercies.

Peace can exist even under a dictatorship (e.g China) This is because brute force can quell dissent as much as living in a just society.

As to the data you require, you would have to steal it or perhaps bribe someone to hand it over, now I wonder how that would go in the EU court, no doubt they will accept it.

Or those purchasing stollen property could just do the honorable thing and defend themselves in Court. It will be better for them in the long run.

Sure, you can take them to court in the north any time. We have courts and local remedies are encouraged by the EU Humans Rights court.

[EricSeans]

Honourable behaviour is unknown to many of the uncivilised, uneducated rabble who have descended on refugee property in the north like locusts. Now their BBs are down and they don't have anyone to talk to they must be really sweating.

but you are talking to our president and we have had relative peace since 74. We must be thankful for small mercies.

Peace can exist even under a dictatorship (e.g China) This is because brute force can quell dissent as much as living in a just society.

As to the data you require, you would have to steal it or perhaps bribe someone to hand it over, now I wonder how that would go in the EU court, no doubt they will accept it.

Or those purchasing stollen property could just do the honorable thing and defend themselves in Court. It will be better for them in the long run.

[anna-sh]

sweating & panicking...... they think articles like the one in sundays daily mail will help them.. but to those in the UK who know the cyprus problem they will just look more of a joke than they already are... some of the things they come out with is just sooooo laughable

[yiannisP]

Sure, you can take them to court in the north any time. We have courts and local remedies are encouraged by the EU Humans Rights court.

Except that Cyprus is in the EU and as such judgments are equally applicable between all Member States. The fact that the north has suspended the legitimate ambit of the Republic and is imposing an unrecognised system by brute force means that there would never be a fair trial. No civilised country in the world would recognise this as a fair trial apart from Turkey for obvious reasons.

It is difficult if not impossible to serve court documents on anyone in the north as you would be arrested (or worse) by the occupying illegal regime. As such they continue to evade justice by brute force rather than by argument and people from abroad are taking advantage of the missery of the dispossesed people. But those taking advantage should take note: damages for loss of use and enjoyment of property starting from 1974 onwards will hit them hard.

[YFred]

Sure, you can take them to court in the north any time. We have courts and local remedies are encouraged by the EU Humans Rights court.

Except that Cyprus is in the EU and as such judgments are equally applicable between all Member States. The fact that the north has suspended the legitimate ambit of the Republic and is imposing an unrecognised system by brute force means that there would never be a fair trial. No civilised country in the world would recognise this as a fair trial apart from Turkey for obvious reasons.

It is difficult if not impossible to serve court documents on anyone in the north as you would be arrested (or worse) by the occupying illegal regime. As such they continue to evade justice by brute force rather than by argument and people from abroad are taking advantage of the missery of the dispossesed people. But those taking advantage should take note: damages for loss of use and enjoyment of property starting from 1974 onwards will hit them hard.

I should expect for a nice tidy little sum hopefully in the very near future although I will not be holding my breadth while waiting.

[Lit]

Scent of victory among the lemon trees as displaced Cypriots win claim on ancestral land

Displaced Greek Cypriots celebrate landmark court ruling on property rights

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/ma ... ion-greece

Five days after the European court pronounced that the UK judiciary should enforce the decision of a Nicosia court to return the property to its original owner, and demolish the villa to boot, the affair looks set to run and run – not least among the estimated 6,000 Britons who have also picked up properties at bargain prices in the territory that is only recognised by Ankara.

Yesterday despondent rosy-cheeked expats, living in the scenic villages above the picturesque port of Kyrenia, refused to comment, with one denouncing the case "as Greek Cypriot lies and bullshit".

[Lit]

http://www.cyprusweekly.com.cy/default. ... ewsID=1039

Orams undaunted by EJC ruling

Weeks after a European Court of Justice ruled against David and Linda Orams over their illegally-built villa in the occupied north, the British couple said they were disappointed but not intimidated.

“We will continue the struggle…We will not pay any compensation, we will not demolish our home,” they told Yeniduzen.

The Orams built their villa in Kyrenia on land belonging to displaced Greek Cypriot Meletis Apostolides.

“We will only act in accordance with the political power” in the breakaway north, they added.

The ECJ ruled that a judgement of a court in the Republic of Cyprus must be recognised and enforced by all other EU member states even if it concerns land in the Turkish-occupied part of Cyprus.

The local court had ruled that the Orams must demolish the house they built on Apostolides’ land without his permission and pay compensation.

This was after the Appeal Court of England and Wales had referred a number of points to the ECJ for a preliminary ruling after recourse by Apostolides’ lawyer.

Moreover, Hasan Vahip – one of Orams’ lawyers - said the case has not yet reached its final stage and that it would bring an enormous advantage to the Greek Cypriot side when the Cyprus problem is solved.

Vahip said that Greek Cypriots were in an advantageous position in this case because the Republic has joined the European Union.

Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat, said in a written statement after a meeting party leaders that the ECJ had not taken the realities of Cyprus into consideration.

That is, as he put it, “the existence of the two different judiciaries on both sides of Cyprus”.

“We cannot recognise the decision of the ECJ that ignored the abnormal situation that exists in Cyprus,” added the statement.

The Turkish Cypriot press keeps sending the message that the Orams verdict can never be accepted noting that 5,000 Britons are in danger.

It also underlines that around 1300 Greek Cypriots are expected to file a lawsuit for their property in the occupied north.

[anna-sh]

Hope the Orams like prison food....

[roseandchan]

i am just wondering when they will learn?

[Viewpoint]

Lets see the British verdict first it can be linked to an overall solution siting the GC courts own verdicts against TC claimants.