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[Kikapu]

british courts wont and at the end cant go against a ecj judgment,this really has to start sinking in VP,THIS is a extreemly big verdict.

Lets see what the verdict is first, dont forget the Brits are not just any other EU country they have a vested interest in Cyprus.

Yes they do, and those interest arte in the south with the bases.!

What's more important for them, to make few thousand "Scumdog Millionaires" happy who bought stolen property or keep the national interest and security of the UK by keeping the bases.!

I think even you should be able to figure that one out.!

[boomerang]

There has to be some restriction for a while. This union cannot happen in one go, it will have to be in stages. Its not just that people will not get on, those who do not want peace will distroy it in no time. I mean the grey wolves and the southern dawn lot. Which is why it has to be in steps of closer union.

I don't disagree.... and the extremists simply have to be marginalised, outlawed as far as is possible, as they are in all other civilised societies.

Totally agree, but in both communities they occupy important positions of power. It is against their interests. Marginalising them is not easy.
For instance recently a TC was attacked in the south and when in court the references by the judge and the defence lawyer of the Golden Dawn boy's lawyer horrified me. It took me back to 1963. While these people are running the Police, Courts and the Prosecution service, we have no chance, it will fall apart in no time. By the way he attacked in front of witnesses, but got away with it. That is the most worrying aspect of how it will fall apart. There is no confidence.

Yes, you have no confidence in the ECJ either. Basically, you don't accept any ruling going against you ... you are always 'innocent'!

ECJ is that the mad cow disease?

The whole of the International law and its implementation since the second world war has been an ass. It mainly serves the interest of the five permanent security member of the un.

As far as I am concerned of course I am innocent, I attacked no one, I have nobody else’s land, and they have mine, I am guilty of what exactly?

yeah but if it endorsed thievery you would be over the moon knucklehead...

[boomerang]

british courts wont and at the end cant go against a ecj judgment,this really has to start sinking in VP,THIS is a extreemly big verdict.

Lets see what the verdict is first, dont forget the Brits are not just any other EU country they have a vested interest in Cyprus.

Yes they do, and those interest arte in the south with the bases.!

What's more important for them, to make few thousand "Scumbag Millionaires" happy who bought stolen property or keep the national interest and security of the UK by keeping the bases.!

I think even you should be able to figure that one out.!

kiks it's called living in denial with every ruling...it's always waiting for the next ruling and praying...

The don't realise that this decistion is binding...the think the ECJ is like the UN where decisions are not always followed up...

Some one tells me they are in for some root awakening...an ECJ ruling followed with a non compliance will be the death of the EU...they just don't see the big picture...a non compliance of an ECJ ruling will make a mockery of the whole of the EU...somehow I don't see this happening...

[Kikapu]

well it will all be over by October this year... & Mr A can get back to his land & do as he pleases.. after the remains of the orams house have been moved that is..

Short of coming over and kicking the Orams out and facing the TRNC authorities how will that exactly happen anna, can you enlighten us all?

It is very simple actually. Once the Orams are ordered by the British courts to tear down their home in the north and they refuse, they will be held in contempt of the courts decision. Then they will get themselves into further problems with the law, and even sent to jail. It will be the Orams themselves who would tear the home down and no one else.. If they were smart, and since they like to play with fire by being unethical and unprincipled, they should torch their house in the north so to collect the insurance money. With the insurance money, they can pay off Mr. Apostolides to save their house in the UK. It will be a win-win situation to all parties. I hope all those "Scumdog Millionaires" who will be in the same situation will do the same to pay their debt to society for their immoral actions.

This was a public announcement for FREE, but donations are accepted from all "Scumdog Millionaires" through the Cyprus Forum into my account for this very valuable advice on how to save their butts.!

[Kikapu]

british courts wont and at the end cant go against a ecj judgment,this really has to start sinking in VP,THIS is a extreemly big verdict.

Lets see what the verdict is first, dont forget the Brits are not just any other EU country they have a vested interest in Cyprus.

Yes they do, and those interest arte in the south with the bases.!

What's more important for them, to make few thousand "Scumbag Millionaires" happy who bought stolen property or keep the national interest and security of the UK by keeping the bases.!

I think even you should be able to figure that one out.!

kiks it's called living in denial with every ruling...it's always waiting for the next ruling and praying...

The don't realise that this decistion is binding...the think the ECJ is like the UN where decisions are not always followed up...

Some one tells me they are in for some root awakening...an ECJ ruling followed with a non compliance will be the death of the EU...they just don't see the big picture...a non compliance of an ECJ ruling will make a mockery of the whole of the EU...somehow I don't see this happening...

I'm just wondering, Boomer. If Britain or any other member state does not follow through with the EJC decision on this case, will they face heavy fines as well as get expelled from the Union.??

[Get Real!]

I'm just wondering, Boomer. If Britain or any other member state does not follow through with the EJC decision on this case, will they face heavy fines as well as get expelled from the Union.??

"Actions for failure to fulfil obligations

These actions enable the Court of Justice to determine whether a Member State has fulfilled its obligations under Community law. Before bringing the case before the Court of Justice, the Commission conducts a preliminary procedure in which the Member State is given the opportunity to reply to the complaints against it. If that procedure does not result in the Member State terminating the failure, an action for infringement of Community law may be brought before the Court of Justice.

The action may be brought by the Commission — as, in practice, is usually the case — or by a Member State. If the Court finds that an obligation has not been fulfilled, the State must bring the failure to an end without delay. If, after a further action is brought by the Commission, the Court of Justice finds that the Member State concerned has not complied with its judgment, it may impose on it a fixed or periodic financial penalty. "

http://curia.europa.eu/en/instit/presen ... ex_cje.htm

[Kikapu]

I'm just wondering, Boomer. If Britain or any other member state does not follow through with the EJC decision on this case, will they face heavy fines as well as get expelled from the Union.??

"Actions for failure to fulfil obligations

These actions enable the Court of Justice to determine whether a Member State has fulfilled its obligations under Community law. Before bringing the case before the Court of Justice, the Commission conducts a preliminary procedure in which the Member State is given the opportunity to reply to the complaints against it. If that procedure does not result in the Member State terminating the failure, an action for infringement of Community law may be brought before the Court of Justice.

The action may be brought by the Commission — as, in practice, is usually the case — or by a Member State. If the Court finds that an obligation has not been fulfilled, the State must bring the failure to an end without delay. If, after a further action is brought by the Commission, the Court of Justice finds that the Member State concerned has not complied with its judgment, it may impose on it a fixed or periodic financial penalty. "

http://curia.europa.eu/en/instit/presen ... ex_cje.htm

Thanks GR.

So, how much is the UK is prepared to throw tax payers money in "periodic financial penalty" by ignoring the ECJ's rulings just so to support the "Scumdog Millionaires".??

[AWE]

It is very simple actually. Once the Orams are ordered by the British courts to tear down their home in the north and they refuse, they will be held in contempt of the courts decision. Then they will get themselves into further problems with the law, and even sent to jail. It will be the Orams themselves who would tear the home down and no one else.. If they were smart, and since they like to play with fire by being unethical and unprincipled, they should torch their house in the north so to collect the insurance money.

Hi Kikapu,

There are 4 things need to prove contempt of court:

1 existence of a lawful order
2 the contemnor's knowledge of the order
3 the contemnor's ability to comply
4 the contemnor's failure to comply

The problem here is that No. 3 is going to be difficult to prove. They cannot hand back the property to Mr. A nor can the Os demolish the property without TRNC planning permission which is likely to be refused. So they are not in contempt as they do not have the ability to comply, without taking unreasonable actions i.e. demolish without planning permission, that would endanger their safety or liberty in the TRNC. Few if any courts would expect one to act this way.

[boomerang]

It is very simple actually. Once the Orams are ordered by the British courts to tear down their home in the north and they refuse, they will be held in contempt of the courts decision. Then they will get themselves into further problems with the law, and even sent to jail. It will be the Orams themselves who would tear the home down and no one else.. If they were smart, and since they like to play with fire by being unethical and unprincipled, they should torch their house in the north so to collect the insurance money.

Hi Kikapu,

There are 4 things need to prove contempt of court:

1 existence of a lawful order
2 the contemnor's knowledge of the order
3 the contemnor's ability to comply
4 the contemnor's failure to comply

The problem here is that No. 3 is going to be difficult to prove. They cannot hand back the property to Mr. A nor can the Os demolish the property without TRNC planning permission which is likely to be refused. So they are not in contempt as they do not have the ability to comply, without taking unreasonable actions i.e. demolish without planning permission, that would endanger their safety or liberty in the TRNC. Few if any courts would expect one to act this way.

Hi AWE

the tnct gave an unlawful permit in the first place which the courts already ruled against...this is seeing it as straight out theft...

on the other hand failure to comply will have consequences...

Regardless of all these, the concequences are as follow
1...no more selling of properties...
2...no more unlawful buildings going up
3...recognition that the land belongs to the person with the kochan
4....the tnct is not to be recognised ever
5...the Roc rules the roost
6...ramifications as to where the discussions are going
7...orams will be in court till they die...
8...lessons for all wannaby thieves
9...devaluation of all the thieves properties including legal properties...based on a non trust
10...etc...

so you see the demolishing of the house is really icing on the cake...

[AWE]

Boomer,

Agreed but it should not have come to this.

If the RoC had not blocked EU aid and instead encouraged Green Line trade then the TCs would have been less dependent on Turkey and more likely to agree a solution.

Hitting someone with a stick, then saying trust me I wont hurt you, then hitting them again is not going to win trust.

I understand that this is all about upping the ante regarding property purchase in the North but giving the TCs no chance to breath is only going to push them closer to Turkey and is more likely to seal partition.